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Il-2 Sturmovik
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Posted: Monday, May 28, 2007 - 10:02 PM UTC
Small update. I primed the model with mr. surfacer 1200 to check for possible glitches, and it's now ready for paint. I am waiting for a set of White ensign paints, as they seem to be the most accurate ones. That's it for now...

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Posted: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 - 12:14 AM UTC
Hi Grega,
Wonderful stuff, as ever
I had started building one of these (original AM) but I'm glad that I didn't get very far. As I don't by reference material for models that I will probably only build one of, I only have what I have in mags or have bothered to source of the www. This gives me far better info than anything I have so far. thanks I was particularly unaware that the wings on the majority of IL2s were wooden. I have possibly read it but I hadn't remembered Anyway I don't have to worry now

My delay is because I have been seperating the tail wheel from it's strut, plus I have started several other kits (yes I know, poor excuses).

You will not be disapointed by WEM Colourcoats, they are my paint of choice since reviewing them here Thin with white spirit, have fun

Mal
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Posted: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 - 04:18 PM UTC
Thanks Holdfast. About wooden wings; at first the il-2 were all made with metal wings, but lack of materials forced them to switch to wood. At the beginning of 1944 they went back to all metal version.

I sprayed the bottom section this morning and i am very pleased with wem colors. I thinned them with mr. color thinner. I am not a big fan of enamels but i might change my minds. I use acrilyics because of nice smell, fast drying time, easier airbrush cleaning and mostly because they do not react with turpentine at weathering.
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Posted: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 - 04:46 PM UTC
Hi Grega

I use also mostly acrylics because of the ease of use. They are not really healthy either (they just do not smell that much) ... Even knowing the very nice WEM Line I will stick to acrylics .. except for soviet ww2 aircraft.

I like your Sturmowik and I am sure your painting will do it justice!

Unfortunately (for me) the Italeri boxing is nor IL-2 M as the eduard, but the IL-2 M3 with the swept metal wings (still it has markings for two Il-2M) ... I guess I must get the plus4 booklet to find an appropriate c&m .

keep us up to date

best wishes

Steffen
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Posted: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 - 05:26 PM UTC
Yeah, i could mix the acrylics, but when not knowing the shade you have to mix, i had no other choice but to order wem colorcoats. Here they are...


And I already spreyed and masked off the white areas.

I hope i'll spray the AMT-7 tonight...
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Posted: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 - 05:34 PM UTC
Looking good so far.
Great job on tackling all those seamlines, thats one part of a build I hate doing.
What do you use to thin the Mr surfacer 1200 with for airbrushing?
I shall watch with interest with you using the WEM colours as I have the whole Soviet range, but never used it yet.
Andy
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Posted: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 - 05:42 PM UTC
I thin the surfacer with mr. color thinner. It's laquer based thinner. It looks like this...

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Posted: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 - 07:54 PM UTC
WOW...I cannot say anymore...1/48...I will die and go to hell before i can complete a model like the one you are just making rite now...

totally
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Posted: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 - 08:12 PM UTC
Thanks Gregax, i'll try that.
Andy
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Posted: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 - 12:24 AM UTC

Quoted Text

I sprayed the bottom section this morning and i am very pleased with wem colors. I thinned them with mr. color thinner. I am not a big fan of enamels but i might change my minds. I use acrilyics because of nice smell, fast drying time, easier airbrush cleaning and mostly because they do not react with turpentine at weathering.



I would imagine that the mr. Color thinner would help the WEM enamels dry faster than normal. I use White spirit and a couple of drops of "Rustins Dryers" and they dry in about 1 hour, or less. As I always weather my models after adding the decals and thereforapply Klear (Future in the US) before and after that is my barrier against washes I would do this even if I used acrylics. I also find that I can get a much better fine line with enamels because I can spray at much lower pressures, and enamels don't dry on the tip. Each to there own of course

Looking good Grega


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I shall watch with interest with you using the WEM colours as I have the whole Soviet range, but never used it yet.



Andy, how many times have you heard me bang on about WEM colourcoats? Get 'em used and stop being a wimp

Mal
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Posted: Monday, June 04, 2007 - 09:55 PM UTC
Started with upper surfaces. Please note; thinning WEM enamels with white spirit is much better than with Mr. color thinner. They dry faster, much faster.

I was going nuts about the right paint scheme for this aircraft, so after going through a couple of books, I found this scheme as the most probable one. It is described in Erik Pilawski book as well as on the internet. You can read about it here... http://vvs.hobbyvista.com/Markings/NKAP/il2/il2-3colour.htm

The scheme will look like this... hopefully...
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Posted: Monday, June 04, 2007 - 09:56 PM UTC
Started with upper surfaces. Please note; thinning WEM enamels with white spirit is much better than with Mr. color thinner. They dry faster, much faster.

I was going nuts about the right paint scheme for this aircraft, so after going through a couple of books, I found this scheme as the most probable one. It is described in Erik Pilawski book as well as on the internet. You can read about it here... http://vvs.hobbyvista.com/Markings/NKAP/il2/il2-3colour.htm

The scheme will look like this... hopefully...


And here it is, the first coat. Done freehand, wem paints work like a charm. Note that the color is a bit bright because of the lightning and camera settings.
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Posted: Monday, June 04, 2007 - 10:39 PM UTC
Looking awesome Gregax!
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Posted: Monday, June 04, 2007 - 11:43 PM UTC
Looking great, Grega!!

but, the drawing and the plans in +4 are both for Il-2 "arrows" (today named Il-2M3) so watch out!

BTW you persuaded me into an Il-2 project .. I'll start a threat (or was it thread) soon

cheers

Steffen

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Posted: Tuesday, June 05, 2007 - 12:42 AM UTC
Looking great, Gregax. It will be a stunning mnodel when finished I am sure.

Looking forward to see more.
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Posted: Tuesday, June 05, 2007 - 03:11 AM UTC
Gregax,

Very good job on this model. I'm still amazed at what many of you can do to a cockpit. Will you be making a base to set it on?

-Derek
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Posted: Tuesday, June 05, 2007 - 04:19 AM UTC

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Gregax,
Very good job on this model. I'm still amazed at what many of you can do to a cockpit. Will you be making a base to set it on?
-Derek



Yes. I am planning to do a base shaped as a star, with a drum (or two), and a couple of boxes filled with propaganda leaflets...
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Posted: Wednesday, June 06, 2007 - 09:25 PM UTC
The painting continiues... I've sprayed a coat of AMT-1. I tried thinning the paint with regular white spirit and it does the job even better than Mr. color thinner. It dries faster and the paint flow is much better. Enjoy.

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Posted: Wednesday, June 06, 2007 - 09:48 PM UTC
Hi gregax

I'm really enjoying following your thread - especially as my own Il-2 is thoroughly stalled due to lack of building time (call it modelling by proxy! LOL!).

I hope we can convince you to compile all your pics and notes into a full Feature when the model's finished... it'd make a great addition to the Content section.

All the best

Rowan
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Posted: Thursday, June 07, 2007 - 07:05 AM UTC

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I hope we can convince you to compile all your pics and notes into a full Feature when the model's finished... it'd make a great addition to the Content section.



Couldn't agree more.

Mal
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Posted: Friday, June 08, 2007 - 03:53 AM UTC
D O N E !

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Posted: Sunday, June 10, 2007 - 04:23 PM UTC

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Quoted Text

Gregax,
Very good job on this model. I'm still amazed at what many of you can do to a cockpit. Will you be making a base to set it on?
-Derek



Yes. I am planning to do a base shaped as a star, with a drum (or two), and a couple of boxes filled with propaganda leaflets...



Hi Gregax
Thank you for providing so many building processes, I have been looking for such detail works for a long time.
And nice to hear that you will make a base for the cockpit,or it will be a pity for the resins parts and your job.
Best regards
Reichsfox
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Posted: Sunday, June 17, 2007 - 08:43 PM UTC
Some progress. After i left a model to dry for a week, i applied two heavy coats of future with a thick brush, then i applied decals. They are nice and thin, so no problems here.

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Posted: Sunday, June 17, 2007 - 11:04 PM UTC
Nice Grega!

BUT as I already wrote when we discussed the profile, the notes and the aircraft should be attached with an angle towards the longitudinal axis

I found a few pix meanwhile as I tried to approve another c&m over at Sovielt VVS 1917-50 modellling:


(I have no rights on this image and will remove it soon, it is only for disc. purposes)

also I do not believe this crate has the NKAP schema, but I have very little knowledge about this topic

best wishes

Steffen
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Posted: Monday, June 18, 2007 - 12:40 AM UTC
Oh dear.... what should i do now? I didn't notice that....