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The straw that broke the Camel's back?
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Posted: Thursday, June 08, 2006 - 09:14 PM UTC
Hi Stephen

The Camel's looking great! I don't know what's unusual in it, but your pic prompted me to ask if you have a ref I can use to add the control and throttle cables. Yes, shock! horror! - there's a chance I might get that far this weekend - even with Eduard's new I-16 on the workbench too...

All the best

Rowan
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Posted: Friday, June 09, 2006 - 05:53 AM UTC
Greetings Rowan,

Absolutely...Rigging diagram is enroute through e-mail. It is a fair amount of info so when I do the "how to" for my website I'll include it there.
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Posted: Friday, June 09, 2006 - 06:34 AM UTC
Greetings all;

Here is a bit of fun concerning Camel interiors. This is a 2F.1 by the way...single Vickers.
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Posted: Friday, June 09, 2006 - 06:41 AM UTC
Here is another angle.
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Posted: Friday, June 09, 2006 - 06:48 AM UTC
And one more angle. This is a 2F.1 by the way...single Vickers.
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Posted: Friday, June 09, 2006 - 11:02 AM UTC
Thanks Stephen

Awesome! Although the refs prove my "wood" effect is a bit too dark. I might leave it be in the interests of making some belated progress...

There's a lot of detail there which I was unaware of - those metal-covered sections of the top longeron for starters!

All the best

Rowan
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Posted: Saturday, June 10, 2006 - 09:47 PM UTC
OK, I'm now itching to start my camel but this is stopping me getting on:

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Hi again Stephen
I was just looking at the drawings you sent me that include the Bentley cowling - it's really quite a different profile, isn't it.


Any chance of a scan of the bentley cowling drawing so I can see what I have let myself in for
Mal
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Posted: Sunday, June 11, 2006 - 04:11 AM UTC

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OK, I'm now itching to start my camel but this is stopping me getting on:

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Hi again Stephen
I was just looking at the drawings you sent me that include the Bentley cowling - it's really quite a different profile, isn't it.


Any chance of a scan of the bentley cowling drawing so I can see what I have let myself in for
Mal



Hey Mal, I think I can arrange that...just PM me your e-mail.
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Posted: Tuesday, June 13, 2006 - 02:30 AM UTC
For everyone's benefit;
The Bentley was not longer than the Clerget but its radius was larger. There is a slight bulge in the Bentley rotary cowling.
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Posted: Thursday, June 15, 2006 - 04:19 PM UTC
Greetings all;
I was asked to provide further identification to the Eduard gauges by their position. The instrument panel ( PP C 11) is detailed well and references can be found in the Sopwith Camel Datafile #26 on page 20 to their identities.

They are;
top center, manufacturer’s nameplate,
middle center , compass and inclinometer,
center left rev counter (tachometer),
right center speedometer,
far left bottom leading magneto,
next to that is the trailing magneto,
center bottom is the altimeter,
then at right is the watch,
and at far right on the bottom is air pressure gauge and relief valve.

The only thing you might want to add is the pulsometer at the panel’s far lower left corner. Hope this helps.
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Posted: Saturday, June 17, 2006 - 04:30 PM UTC
Greetings all;
Just a quick reference here must get back to the build. On the subject of the Camel's reserve / emergency tank.

Step 5.) Is the emergency / auxiliary fuel tank (PP B 10 & PE 9 ) application to the cockpit turtle deck and gun cowling ( PP C 2 or 7.) In reality we should not see the emergency tank. There was a short bulkhead (with a padded headrest?) You will note it in the previously posted images of the restored 2F.1and in other images I will post on the F.1 a little later.
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Posted: Thursday, June 22, 2006 - 02:47 PM UTC
Greetings all;
On the subject of plumbing in the Camel cockpit I have been asked a couple of questions. The answers might benefit here. Usually I will use a fine solder cut in sections to represent most plumbing.

What Eduard does not tell you in any set of their instructions is;

The small half round section on the pilot's left side of the cradle / support frame ( B 5) for the seat & fuel tank, is the fuel tank feed selector housing and switch. It is butt up against the front support rail for the seat. The Datafile #26 has a nice scrap view sketch of this area on page 19.

Forward of this selector is the throttle quadrant for fuel air mix. Behind this should also be a fuel filter with plumbing leading to the selector switch as well. The feed selector switch simply chooses between the main or auxilary tanks.

The fuel feed to the engine is located in the plumbing leading forward to the engine itself but right below the quadrant levers.
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Posted: Thursday, June 29, 2006 - 03:54 PM UTC
Greetings all;
Here is bit of fun...mathmatics.
The bi- wing area of the Sopwith F. 1 Camel has 58 locations for the ends of rigging to be anchored. The tail unit has 28 locations. For a grand total of. . . 86 location points. Thats forty three strands of rigging, outside of the cockpit. The average rigging time for me is 4 hours.

Thats two sessions of 1.5 hours doing the wings. One side at a time. and one hour for the tail. That does not include drilling the holes in the first place.
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Posted: Thursday, June 29, 2006 - 11:00 PM UTC

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The average rigging time for me is 4 hours.

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to fast and furios for me, i´ve used almost 3 weeks an my DH-2, but where is the contest??
kindly
Lars

Do you got my mail?
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Posted: Friday, June 30, 2006 - 07:30 AM UTC
Hey Lars, Yes I am doing a bit of research on the subject.
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Posted: Thursday, July 06, 2006 - 04:21 AM UTC
Greetings all; Fuselage is closed up and lower wings added. Photo shoot today images soon. Next top wing and rigging.
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Posted: Wednesday, July 12, 2006 - 06:59 AM UTC
Here is some progress.
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Posted: Wednesday, July 12, 2006 - 07:00 AM UTC
From the other side.

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Posted: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 - 02:37 PM UTC
Here is the addition of the photoetch for the forward cowling. The Vickers were temporary additions for the photo until I finished my detailed versions.
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Posted: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 - 02:43 PM UTC
These are the most recent images with the final versions of the resin Vickers machine guns. Note the pilot holes for the brass pinning for the struts and rigging ends. Also there will be small sections of sprue that I will add to the Vickers breeches for the expelled ammo links.

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Posted: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 - 02:56 PM UTC
Of special note let me aknowlege the return of a suddenly very tanned Jean-Luc! Fresh from his whirlwind tour of the French Riviera and command engagement under the sunny skies of Tuscany before his blushing princess bride.

Also let me take this time to thank our own Jean-Luc for framing the images seen here as he did in the Royal Fokker D.VII thread.

Merci beaucoup Jean-Luc!

Here is a shot from the otherside.
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Posted: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 - 03:03 PM UTC
Though these are for another project I thought these might be of interest.
At left is the standard Eduard Clerget 9B 130hp (on a Blue Max 2F.1) fuselage. At right is a JGMT resin rotary attached to an Eduard Camel fuselage to be completed as a Bentley BR.1 150hp.
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Posted: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 - 04:37 AM UTC
I had a question concerning the Camel build.

Dan McMullen asked me. "Hey Stephen the cowling on your Camel looks rippled? Whats up with that?..."

Hey Dan, No worries mostly it is the reaction of the glue to the laquer paint. Its not rippled just discoloured. When I scrap the effected area and apply the final coating that will disappear. I never get that when I use enamels or acrylics.