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Armor and ground forces of the Allied forces during World War II.
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ShermanSam
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Posted: Monday, November 18, 2002 - 07:08 PM UTC
hi there,

how do i make dragon theeth, these where used by the siegfield line.
sorry for the bad, very bad english

greets ShermanSam
slodder
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Posted: Tuesday, November 19, 2002 - 01:30 AM UTC
Here a a couple of thoughts - Make a mold using sheet styrene. Shouldn't be to difficult, no really complex shapes or angles. Then mix some plaster of paris up and pour them. That will give you the ability to add some pretty realistic battle damage to them.
Another thought is to use clay. Hobby stores sell 'bakeable clay'. You mold it then bake it in your regular oven to harden it.
Another way is to use sheet styrene totally and construct each one.

I hope this helps.
kkeefe
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Posted: Tuesday, November 19, 2002 - 02:19 AM UTC
....Armand Bayardi makes wonderful DT's in resin. Busted up ones with reinforcing rods too.

Sorry, I don't have the URL handy, but should be easy to find via Google or similiar search engines.

This was discussed awhile back in this forum.

Thanks,
Kevin Keefe
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Bluefalcon47
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Posted: Tuesday, November 19, 2002 - 03:25 AM UTC
In addition to Kevin's post, Plusmodel from the Czech Republic also has a set of dragonteeth. I think they are plaster, but could well be resin. My hobbyshop (Wapstad in Rijswijk) has them. Since you are Dutch and so am I, p.m. me and we could perhaps work something out.
penpen
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Posted: Tuesday, November 19, 2002 - 10:27 PM UTC
Better than bakeable clay, you can use self-hardening clay !
And you can place metal rods in it, for a "busted effect" !
Also, if you have planks of balsa, you might be able to push them against the sides to create the shape of the wood casing used on the construction of the real ones !
FAUST
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Posted: Tuesday, November 19, 2002 - 10:38 PM UTC
Sam

I should say use the styrofoam cut the dragonteeth out put some wallspackle on it (comes in a tube available in every hardware store). you can make your own damage to it
if you put the walspackle on it you can even make the lines that are produced when the molded the old DT`s
cut of the top of your DT and stick in some metal wire and you have a the concrete wire sticking out of your DT.
you can make complete defencelines in quite little time and quite little costs. and it`s really easy to do

If you want to see what`s possible with this styrofoam I refer to Styrene city on this site
or my dio in progress Distraction (can be found in the dioramaforum under the name "DISTRACTION" photo update)


Hope this is some help for you
210cav
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Posted: Wednesday, November 20, 2002 - 01:05 AM UTC

Quoted Text

....Armand Bayardi makes wonderful DT's in resin. Busted up ones with reinforcing rods too.

Sorry, I don't have the URL handy, but should be easy to find via Google or similiar search engines.

This was discussed awhile back in this forum.

Thanks,
Kevin Keefe
Mortars in Miniature



Kevin do you have the parts number for this particular type of DT?
thanks
DJ
ShermanSam
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Posted: Wednesday, November 20, 2002 - 01:49 AM UTC
i always try something by my self.

so i get some styrofoam and wallspackle and gona try it.

but what are the size of these things?
are there any pictures of it?

greets Shermansam
FAUST
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Posted: Wednesday, November 20, 2002 - 01:54 AM UTC
I have a couple of pictures at home from some GI`s that are walking along the siegfried line
I believe I even got a picture of a GI standing next to a dragontooth that`s good for some reference. I`ll look it up for you than I try to mail them to you

ShermanSam
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Posted: Wednesday, November 20, 2002 - 02:02 AM UTC
FAUST,

that would be nice.
i looking forward

Sander "ShermanSam" Benjamins
kkeefe
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Posted: Wednesday, November 20, 2002 - 02:29 AM UTC
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Kevin do you have the parts number for this particular type of DT?
thanks
DJ



DJ,

Not off hand (I'm at work), and a quick internet search came up empty. I'll look at the package tonight at home and get back to you.

Work to do today...

Thanks,
Kevin Keefe
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FAUST
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Posted: Wednesday, November 20, 2002 - 03:34 AM UTC
yoh Sander

I found this picture when I typed in Siegfried line at Google


this is some reference on how big those things are
I`ll look at home anyway

210cav
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Posted: Wednesday, November 20, 2002 - 03:54 AM UTC
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Kevin do you have the parts number for this particular type of DT?
thanks
DJ



DJ,

Not off hand (I'm at work), and a quick internet search came up empty. I'll look at the package tonight at home and get back to you.

Work to do today...

Thanks,
Kevin Keefe
Mortars in Miniature



Kevin--isn't that always the way "work" gets in the way of modeling. Appreciate you getting back to me. I can not find the specific DTs you mentioned.
thanks again
DJ
bison44
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Posted: Wednesday, November 20, 2002 - 04:11 AM UTC
Hi Sherman Sam
I asked about dragon's teeth a few months ago and the guys posted a bunch of really good threads and links with all sorts of pictures of the different kinds styles etc etc. I'm not sure but i think you can click on my name to see my profile and can link up with the thread that way.
kkeefe
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Posted: Wednesday, November 20, 2002 - 06:21 AM UTC

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Kevin--isn't that always the way "work" gets in the way of modeling. Appreciate you getting back to me. I can not find the specific DTs you mentioned.
thanks again
DJ



Roger 210cav.... stand by....

Thanks,
Kevin Keefe
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TUGA
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Posted: Wednesday, November 20, 2002 - 06:27 AM UTC

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Hi Sherman Sam
I asked about dragon's teeth a few months ago and the guys posted a bunch of really good threads and links with all sorts of pictures of the different kinds styles etc etc. I'm not sure but i think you can click on my name to see my profile and can link up with the thread that way



Hi,

Here Dragon Teeth it's the topic refered by Bison44.

HTH
ShermanSam
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Posted: Wednesday, November 20, 2002 - 06:42 AM UTC
FAUST thats a good picture.
thats what i needed.

Bison44. WHAT A GREAT LINKS. LET'S START BUILDING.

thanks

you will see the result

greets ShermanSam
kkeefe
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Posted: Wednesday, November 20, 2002 - 12:59 PM UTC

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Kevin do you have the parts number for this particular type of DT?



DJ (and others)

Armand P. Bayardi

Kit No. M35/128 "WWII Demolished German Tank Obstacle" (1/35th Scale)

US$5.50 (A few years ago.)

One per pack that consists of five nicely cast resin 'chunks' and a coil of wire for the re-bar.

So nicely cast that I haven't used it yet.

Thanks,
Kevin Keefe
Mortars in Miniature
bison44
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Posted: Wednesday, November 20, 2002 - 04:46 PM UTC
Thanks for sticking that link in there TUGA. I am not much of a computer whiz.
210cav
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Posted: Thursday, November 21, 2002 - 01:39 AM UTC

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Quoted Text

Kevin do you have the parts number for this particular type of DT?



DJ (and others)

Armand P. Bayardi

Kit No. M35/128 "WWII Demolished German Tank Obstacle" (1/35th Scale)

US$5.50 (A few years ago.)

One per pack that consists of five nicely cast resin 'chunks' and a coil of wire for the re-bar.

So nicely cast that I haven't used it yet.

Thanks,
Kevin Keefe
Mortars in Miniature



Kevin--many thanks. I have placed an order for two sets. My diorama will consist of the M-4 Dozer Tank, dismounted infantry and an M-3 Stuart. Let you know how this grand project comes along.
thanks again
DJ
GeneralFailure
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Posted: Thursday, November 21, 2002 - 01:46 AM UTC
Since real DT were made of concrete, the simplest and most convincing way to make them is make a mold (either make a plasticard mold, or make ONE DT and then make a latex, silicone or even plastiscine mold from there). To cast the mold, use plaster. you may mix in some fine sand for extra texture.
You can make "busted" DT's by putting a few pieces of metal thread in the mold, then cast the DT and break of the top or a side afterwards, so the metal shows.
My 2 cts.
ARENGCA
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Posted: Thursday, November 21, 2002 - 08:23 AM UTC
I recall seeing several different types/shapes of DTs over the years, so (unless the Germans has some sort of 'standard' DT) the actual size and shape of the DT is probably not critical, as long as it looks right.
Bluefalcon47
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Posted: Thursday, November 21, 2002 - 08:26 AM UTC
I think I have to agree with Arengca here, I also remember seeing several different sizes of DT in Normandy and on photographs of German fortifications. Perhaps the smaller ones could be used to put up temporary road blocks?? Just a thought....
210cav
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Posted: Thursday, November 21, 2002 - 08:49 AM UTC

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I think I have to agree with Arengca here, I also remember seeing several different sizes of DT in Normandy and on photographs of German fortifications. Perhaps the smaller ones could be used to put up temporary road blocks?? Just a thought....



I just ordered four sets of M35/128 DT's from Model Discount . My two cents is---they are a heck easier to buy ($4.50 a set) thenm make.....just me.
DJ
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Posted: Thursday, November 21, 2002 - 09:23 AM UTC
If you make the DT doint use sand!!! the things are smooth concrete alway`s is smooth.