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Selling models, hmm??
Armor135
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Posted: Monday, August 19, 2002 - 11:35 PM UTC
Near the end of the Nationals I was just at after teh awards were over adn everyone was leaving I saw a not under the form. I read it and it said. "Interested in buying models 360-1, 360-2, 360-3. Those were the numbers on the form. When I first read this I was like , "whoa this is pretty cool!" So I got home a few days later and contacted the guy about selling my models. I told him probabally the LVT-4 but not the guntruck because teh conversions are so hard to find now a-days. My question is how much should I sell the model for.? Its not out of the box, I added 2 Verlinden figures, Verlinden accessories and ammo boxes, and a few other things. So I figure charge the price of the kit, the money you put into it but how much profit to ask for??

can anyone help me out?

thanks,
Mike
Eagle
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Posted: Monday, August 19, 2002 - 11:49 PM UTC
Let the potential buyer do a first bid....if it sounds good than tell him you'll have to think it over....unless it's a real good offer you can't refuse...

There a different points of view in selling models. Do you want to sell it for as much as you can, or do you consider it just a hobby and only want the investments and some extra back ?

I can't give you the answers to the questions above....that's up to you...that's how you feel it... There's nothing wrong with selling models at commercial prices.....

May be just ask his first offer ? Anyway....Good Luck !!
Folgore
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Canada
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Posted: Monday, August 19, 2002 - 11:54 PM UTC
Personally, I wouldn't sell any of my work, unless someone offered me a bundle for it. I like to be able to show it off to friends and relatives. I don't think I could ever be a professional modeler.......

Nic
GunTruck
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Posted: Monday, August 19, 2002 - 11:57 PM UTC
Most believe in the philosophy of "charge what the market will bear"...

I haven't seen the models, so it is hard to gauge their potential value, but it is wise to let the prospective buyer present you with an offer. You decide if it is acceptable.

I sell my projects strictly on a time & materials basis. I've been doing it so long, I know what every model costs in that respect - I track it. I do not generally enter said model projects into competition, so that doesn't muddy up the waters with sentimental value.

I have had some respectful offers, some great offers, and frankly some under-inspiring offers. It comes with the territory if you get into selling / accepting offers on your finished models. Be flattered, but take it with a grain of salt too - a lot of modelers get offers on their finished projects...

Gunnie
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Posted: Monday, August 19, 2002 - 11:57 PM UTC

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Personally, I wouldn't sell any of my work, unless someone offered me a bundle for it. I like to be able to show it off to friends and relatives. I don't think I could ever be a professional modeler.......



We can shake hand Nic....
210cav
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Virginia, United States
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Posted: Tuesday, August 20, 2002 - 12:35 AM UTC
Personally, I enjoy swap meets rather than sales. I find them more satisfying.
DJ
AJLaFleche
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Posted: Tuesday, August 20, 2002 - 12:41 AM UTC
I've spoken about this with club members. Typically, you should charge three times retail. I tried this the one time I was asked specifically to sell a model (Warriors American Heroes). $40 kit and $10 display. I asked $150 and the buyer took the offer immediately. At Militatry Miniatures Warehouse, this ratio holds for unpainted to pained figures as well.
GunTruck
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Posted: Tuesday, August 20, 2002 - 01:02 AM UTC

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I've spoken about this with club members. Typically, you should charge three times retail. I tried this the one time I was asked specifically to sell a model (Warriors American Heroes). $40 kit and $10 display. I asked $150 and the buyer took the offer immediately. At Militatry Miniatures Warehouse, this ratio holds for unpainted to pained figures as well.



Ummmm - that's not a rule I'd recommend following for everyone - little wonder the buyer jumped at the offer...

Gunnie
210cav
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Posted: Tuesday, August 20, 2002 - 01:19 AM UTC
Gunnie--what is your rule?
DJ
kkeefe
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Posted: Tuesday, August 20, 2002 - 01:21 AM UTC
Howdy,

Maybe I'd consider it when I'm old(er) and cranky(er) if the opportunity ever comes along again. Right now, I figure that I've put a lot of effort into each and every one of them to consider selling them now. Besides, I like to go back on previous builds and 'goof' on them every now and then.

Now if a museum ever came along with an interest (I'm a long ways from that level), I'd probably jump in on that without a problem.

Thanks,
Kevin Keefe
Mortars in Miniature
210cav
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Posted: Tuesday, August 20, 2002 - 01:32 AM UTC

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Howdy,

Maybe I'd consider it when I'm old(er) and cranky(er) if the opportunity ever comes along again. Right now, I figure that I've put a lot of effort into each and every one of them to consider selling them now. Besides, I like to go back on previous builds and 'goof' on them every now and then.

Now if a museum ever came along with an interest (I'm a long ways from that level), I'd probably jump in on that without a problem.

Thanks,
Kevin Keefe
Mortars in Miniature



Amigo--I just checked out your website. In my humble opinion, you are about as ready as anyone I have seen to market to a museum. Very nice delicate work.
DJ
GunTruck
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Posted: Tuesday, August 20, 2002 - 01:34 AM UTC

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Gunnie--what is your rule?
DJ



DJ - I go strictly cost of supplies & materials + tax and cost of labor / research / shipping tracked of course. I keep tight records, and I usually do not take on out-of-the-box buildups. I'm really selective about what I agree to build because I don't build in a huge margin, and I opt out of short-notice, high-pressure deals - these don't pay with a tight margin.

No additional percentages of retail plastic and stuff like that. No percentage of markup on total (like it cost me $300 dollars time and materials - so - multiply that by 300% to get $900 dollars). No unusual charges like electricity to power my lights, aircompressor, and the fridge that cools my beer either. I've encountered peers who do these strange things - I'm surprised they tell me these things.

It has always been fair - for me and the client. I've been fortunate enough to meet people who allow me to do what I do best, in the time frame I select, and do not feel the need to pressure me. Those clients are really hard to find - but are the only reason why I consider taking on a commissioned project today.

Gunnie
210cav
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Posted: Tuesday, August 20, 2002 - 01:35 AM UTC

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Gunnie--what is your rule?
DJ



DJ - I go strictly cost of supplies & materials + tax and cost of labor / research / shipping tracked of course. I keep tight records, and I usually do not take on out-of-the-box buildups. I'm really selective about what I agree to build because I don't build in a huge margin, and I opt out of short-notice, high-pressure deals - these don't pay with a tight margin.

No additional percentages of retail plastic and stuff like that. No percentage of markup on total (like it cost me $300 dollars time and materials - so - multiply that by 300% to get $900 dollars). No unusual charges like electricity to power my lights, aircompressor, and the fridge that cools my beer either. I've encountered peers who do these strange things - I'm surprised they tell me these things.

It has always been fair - for me and the client. I've been fortunate enough to meet people who allow me to do what I do best, in the time frame I select, and do not feel the need to pressure me. Those clients are really hard to find - but are the only reason why I consider taking on a commissioned project today.

Gunnie



Gunnie--as always, nice put into words.
thanks
DJ
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Posted: Tuesday, August 20, 2002 - 01:41 AM UTC

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Gunnie--as always, nice put into words.
thanks



Heir Heir !
kkeefe
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Posted: Tuesday, August 20, 2002 - 01:44 AM UTC
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Amigo--I just checked out your website. In my humble opinion, you are about as ready as anyone I have seen to market to a museum. Very nice delicate work.
DJ



I thank you 210cav....

Thanks,
Kevin Keefe
Mortars in Miniature
Armor135
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Posted: Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 02:14 AM UTC
Oh man, I just typed my whole message and when I hit reply it all got erased or didnt post.

Well I wanted to say thanks for all of your posts and information about selling models. Like a lot of you said figure in the price of the model, materials put into it, shipping and a prohit. I just emailed the potential buyer and asked him about it.

I'll let you guys know what I decide to do and what happens

Thanks,
Mike