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Lakota
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Posted: Thursday, August 20, 2020 - 08:46 AM UTC
I thought there were U.S. planes flying CAP. I don't remember where they came from and I could be wrong. This would be interesting to research.
Take care and Stay Safe,
Don "Lakota"
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Posted: Thursday, August 20, 2020 - 08:49 AM UTC
I like the idea of the first one, but instead of "2020" on the left, how about 'MALTA"? Kind of like this:
phantom_phanatic309
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Posted: Thursday, August 20, 2020 - 09:13 AM UTC

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I thought there were U.S. planes flying CAP. I don't remember where they came from and I could be wrong. This would be interesting to research.
Take care and Stay Safe,
Don "Lakota"



According to the Wikipedia article, Wildcats from VF-71 stayed aboard and flew cover while the Spitfires launched.
Seems like the dive and torpedo bombers were landed in the Orkneys during both operations.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Wasp_(CV-7)

md72
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Posted: Thursday, August 20, 2020 - 09:57 AM UTC
Hey guys, I copied Stephen's list over from the ideas thread.

Gloster Sea Gladiator
Hurricane IIa/b/c
Spitfire Vb/c
Fairey Fulmar
Fairey Swordfish
Fairey Albacore
Martin Maryland
Vickers Wellington
DH Mosquito NF.II
Bristol Blenheim I/IV
Bristol Beaufighter
Bristol Beaufort
Shorts Sunderland
Grumman Wildcat (stretching it, but they provided air cover for Spitfires launched from USS Wasp)
Fiat CR42
Fiat G50
Fiat BR20M
Macchi C200/202
SM79
CANT Z506
CANT Z1007
Re 2000/2001
Bf 109E/F/G
JU 87
JU 88A/C/D
He 111H

Based on a tiny bit of Wiki research, it looks like there were Martin Baltimores flying with No 69 Squadron, mostly recon work. I'm tempted to dig out my old Frog kit. The kit markings, probably for a training unit have long since disappeared, I'll have to cobble together the markings out of the spares box. Now one of you RAF experts are going to have to train me up on Roundel and lettering sizes.
YankeeSteve
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Posted: Thursday, August 20, 2020 - 12:26 PM UTC

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I like the idea of the first one, but instead of "2020" on the left, how about 'MALTA"? Kind of like this:



That is definitely doable and I do like that better than 2020. That being said, the St. George’s Cross would be a bit of a stretch at that resolution. Not sure if it could be made out. I could also do the Malta 2021 on the Red/White example as well.
MichaelSatin
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Posted: Thursday, August 20, 2020 - 12:35 PM UTC
Sea Hurricanes Mk.IB were definitely used in the Malta convoys, significantly during Operation Pedestal.

https://www.armouredcarriers.com/hawker-sea-hurricane-variants

Just sayin'.

Michael
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Posted: Thursday, August 20, 2020 - 01:34 PM UTC

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the St. George’s Cross would be a bit of a stretch at that resolution. Not sure if it could be made out.



Bang on the money there. I and others have made awards for other GB's and that has always been the issue using the idea of actual medals.

We have used the medal's ribbon colours as a back ground not the medal itself, but in this case the George Cross Ribbon is just plain Dark Blue so not that noticeable, the intent.

The best resolution for the cross would be to do a representation of the flag of Malta filling one side with the cross on white with red as the other half. Maybe Chaz could do something like this:


I do like the Maltese Cross Chaz originally did but adding that to the red side of something like the above might be a tad too much:


I will go with the flow, but by preference, I still like Chaz's main design with Malta down the side..... simple, easily related to and striking ... but what does an Aussie know about class
YankeeSteve
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Posted: Friday, August 21, 2020 - 12:42 AM UTC
Ok, here are the complete 7 designs incorporating as much as possible. Some are better than others.....but here they are.

YankeeSteve
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Posted: Friday, August 21, 2020 - 01:05 AM UTC
BUT, I get first dibs on one of VF-71s Wildcats!!! Got one burn'n a hole in my stash!! May be complimented with a CR-42, Stuka, or Beaufighter.

This Spit was suppose to be the 2nd entry in the Big Three Campaign but was a tad late.....

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Posted: Friday, August 21, 2020 - 01:51 AM UTC

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Ok, here are the complete 7 designs incorporating as much as possible. Some are better than others.....but here they are.




Thanks for doing the work on these. I am partial to 1, but I am extremely flexible and will be happy if folks decide on any of the ones in the list.
MichaelSatin
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Posted: Friday, August 21, 2020 - 09:18 AM UTC
I'm keeping my vote with #1.

Michael
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Posted: Friday, August 21, 2020 - 09:33 AM UTC
Yeah, No. 1 as I said.

Excellent Spitfire too Chaz. Very impressive.
phantom_phanatic309
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Posted: Friday, August 21, 2020 - 11:42 AM UTC
Great work Chaz.

7 gets my vote, but happy with whatever everyone else votes for.
McRunty
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Posted: Saturday, August 22, 2020 - 04:17 AM UTC
I am in. I found a convoy run to Malta which contains 2 ships in my stash

Operation Halberd
Sleepwalker71
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Posted: Saturday, August 22, 2020 - 02:09 PM UTC
As for me - number 3.
Lakota
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Posted: Saturday, August 22, 2020 - 02:53 PM UTC

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As for me - number 3.


Me too.
Take care and stay safe,
Don "Lakota"
md72
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Posted: Saturday, August 22, 2020 - 06:52 PM UTC
I like #2, but I think number 1 tells the most about this campaign. so my vote is 1.
YankeeSteve
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Posted: Sunday, August 23, 2020 - 12:35 AM UTC
Hi All I took the liberty to pare down the ribbons to these three (with original numbers). All now have Malta & 2021 in them and the George's Cross has been lightened a little so some of the detail comes through......



Lot of votes for 1, some for 7 and a couple for 3. I'm good with any of them. Please advise what I am to do with the winner.....haven't a clue.... LOL

Regards!!
phil2015
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Posted: Sunday, August 23, 2020 - 12:45 AM UTC

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Hi All I took the liberty to pare down the ribbons to these three (with original numbers). All now have Malta & 2021 in them and the George's Cross has been lightened a little so some of the detail comes through......



Lot of votes for 1, some for 7 and a couple for 3. I'm good with any of them. Please advise what I am to do with the winner.....haven't a clue.... LOL

Regards!!



Good work on these, thanks for making the effort. I'll let a few more days go back for people to voice an opinion, then I'll upload the one that seems to have the most support.
McRunty
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Posted: Sunday, August 23, 2020 - 03:17 AM UTC
3 for me.
SteveAndrews
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Posted: Monday, August 24, 2020 - 06:44 PM UTC
Hi guys,

I was about to sign up with a Spitfire Vb from the stash, but the decals are for a 1943 example stationed on Malta. Any chance of extending the scope a bit?

I'll understand entirely if it's a no and maybe run a parallel blog if that's not going to upset this fine group.

Happy modelling guys,

Steve.
Sleepwalker71
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Posted: Monday, August 24, 2020 - 07:38 PM UTC
I will go ahead with Tamiya's 1/48 Beaufighter Mk VI in desert camouflage. I feel lucky having found this kit and picking it up tomorrow.
phil2015
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Posted: Tuesday, August 25, 2020 - 02:28 AM UTC

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Hi guys,

I was about to sign up with a Spitfire Vb from the stash, but the decals are for a 1943 example stationed on Malta. Any chance of extending the scope a bit?

I'll understand entirely if it's a no and maybe run a parallel blog if that's not going to upset this fine group.

Happy modelling guys,

Steve.



Hi Steve,

I'm inclined to be generous in allowing things in. OTOH, it's not an MTO campaign. But for something that was based on Malta, even after the siege itself ended, I would think it should be fine.
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Posted: Tuesday, August 25, 2020 - 03:50 AM UTC
Hi Phil,

That's great, thanks very much. This is my subject (and I'm quoting from an Xtradecal sheet now):

Spitfire Vb [Trop], EP829/T-N of 249 Squadron, Krendi Malta in April 1943. Flown by the American CO, Squardon Leader Joseph Lynch.

If that's still OK then I'll join and you can watch me struggle with Hobby Boss' 1/32 Spitfire in Naval Blue and Dark Earth.

Fingers crossed, and thanks again.

Steve.
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Posted: Tuesday, August 25, 2020 - 04:27 AM UTC



I'm for No. 3