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Carrier Crossing
G-man69
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Posted: Tuesday, September 08, 2020 - 05:23 AM UTC

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So cool scrolling down this page & seeing how you just keep on upping the quality-meter, well into the red (or should that be green?) zone already. I agree with Ski, make a basic replica of the stream section (using exactly the same materials you’ve used) and do trials on that. Make it so you can do at least two trials & make whatever mistakes there so you’ll have the confidence of experience for the real thing. I know I would, having never attempted water before either



Hi Tim,

Thanks for the kind feedback, not so sure about the quality meter when compared to you guys, . I know that you and Ski are almost certainly right about practicing on a mock-up, but I have the patience of a gnat, and the financial tightness of a wallet full of moths, so I'm afraid it'll be sink or swim...no pun intended...with this one, if it works, great, if it doesn't, well, there's always the bin of failures, .

Thanks again, and cheers, ,

G
G-man69
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Posted: Tuesday, September 08, 2020 - 05:37 AM UTC
Hi all,

Progress is slow at the moment as I've set myself the challenge of making all the foliage, more-or-less, from scratch, with the exception of some static grass and flock materials. Though I have found a way of creating my own 'flock' type material from ground up herbal tea mix...told you I was a tight-wad, .

I've added more 'brambles' and other vegetation to the bridge area, added some tide-marks to the masonry, and have put a thin layer of 'water' in the deepest spot so that I could start to embed the first layer of flowing water weed (see images below).















Does anyone have any good ideas for a material fine enough to create algae/moss build ups, .

Cheers, ,

G
165thspc
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Posted: Tuesday, September 08, 2020 - 07:05 AM UTC
For moss perhaps Woodland Scenic's HO scale grass and ground cover products. It can be painted any color, seems to have the right texture/size and can be further enhanced, color wise, with pastel chalks.

It comes in several greens, browns and dark yellow.

Beautiful work here!
callmehobbes
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Posted: Tuesday, September 08, 2020 - 07:12 AM UTC
You can mix a little green and yellow paint with talc and/or fine sand for moss.
Golikell
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Posted: Tuesday, September 08, 2020 - 07:54 PM UTC
I actually did make a start on nr 5 too, but since that requires more work, I let that one rest for now...


Are those fish glad!!!

I hope you are able to convey the churn in a satisfactory way. I'll be on the edge of my seat on this one...

The tanks indeed do the work done so far not enough justice. Nice effect you created with the green hue on the stones.
I was also thinking of long fibres for the algae. As for moss, I just saw that AK has moss texture in a bottle:
TomCZE
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Posted: Tuesday, September 08, 2020 - 08:05 PM UTC
I like the idea as well as your work you have done so far
deerstalker36
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Posted: Tuesday, September 08, 2020 - 08:06 PM UTC
you could try balsa wood sawdust for moss, tinted with green paint.or for something finer try a hardwood sawdust
G-man69
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Posted: Saturday, September 12, 2020 - 10:31 PM UTC

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For moss perhaps Woodland Scenic's HO scale grass and ground cover products. It can be painted any color, seems to have the right texture/size and can be further enhanced, color wise, with pastel chalks.

It comes in several greens, browns and dark yellow.

Beautiful work here!



Hi Michael,

Thanks for the kind words, and especially for the advice, .

I'll check out the Woodland Scenics products they might be finer than the stuff I already have which seems a little to course for moss in this scale.

Cheers, ,

G
G-man69
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Posted: Saturday, September 12, 2020 - 10:33 PM UTC

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You can mix a little green and yellow paint with talc and/or fine sand for moss.



Hi Paul,

Thanks for the suggestions, I will certainly give the talc idea a go as I imagine that could be fine enough.

Cheers, ,

G
G-man69
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Posted: Saturday, September 12, 2020 - 10:37 PM UTC

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I actually did make a start on nr 5 too, but since that requires more work, I let that one rest for now...

Are those fish glad!!!

I hope you are able to convey the churn in a satisfactory way. I'll be on the edge of my seat on this one...

The tanks indeed do the work done so far not enough justice. Nice effect you created with the green hue on the stones.
I was also thinking of long fibres for the algae. As for moss, I just saw that AK has moss texture in a bottle:



Hi Erwin,

FIVE! now you are showing off, .

I'm tempted now to try and make a fish, .

Thanks for the AK suggestion, I like their paints, but not tried any of their other stuff...very tempting if I can't fudge something of my own, .

Cheers, ,

G
G-man69
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Posted: Saturday, September 12, 2020 - 10:40 PM UTC

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I like the idea as well as your work you have done so far



Hi Tomas,

Thank you for your positive feedback, it's much appreciated, .

Cheers, ,

G
G-man69
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Posted: Saturday, September 12, 2020 - 10:42 PM UTC

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you could try balsa wood sawdust for moss, tinted with green paint.or for something finer try a hardwood sawdust



Hi Colin,

Thank you for the suggestions, I've got some offcuts of wood so will give it a try.

Cheers, ,

G
G-man69
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Posted: Saturday, September 12, 2020 - 10:52 PM UTC
Hi all,

Some minimal progress, most of which involved redoing certain bits that I wasn't happy with, such as the front right-hand side river bank, and the stone retaining wall, which seemed too smooth imho (see images below).

The colour of the stone retaining wall is way too light, it was done that way so that I could see where I was painting it on, I will return it to a much darker colour later.

















Cheers, ,

G
cheyenne
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Posted: Sunday, September 13, 2020 - 12:56 AM UTC
Nice build G , beautiful man !!
jrutman
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Posted: Sunday, September 13, 2020 - 02:27 AM UTC
Nice update! Great stuff you added like the "wavy weeds" at the creek bottom. Spot on. Green stains on the ford rocks,also nice touch. Worn path down the bridge center-cool! I could go on and on but I will let others weigh in.
J
Dioramartin
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Posted: Sunday, September 13, 2020 - 11:24 PM UTC
Really beautiful work G, already a gem. If that was a/the water test under the bridge it looks like a success – if not too late I’d suggest maybe darkening the cobbles that’ll be submerged…assuming they will be submerged a little? I can see you’ve “mossed” them but I’m not sure it’ll provide enough contrast to drier stones & there may be a risk the water’s so transparent it’ll be invisible - reflections show best against a darker background. I’d also suggest the bare earth seems too reddish & needs toning down unless that’s just the lighting?
PolishBrigade12
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Posted: Monday, September 14, 2020 - 10:49 AM UTC
The depth in the water works is beginning to show nicely, keep er rolling! The ground work is coming to life too, looking good. Standing by to stand by
Golikell
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Posted: Monday, September 14, 2020 - 10:29 PM UTC
Things are starting to look swell... The water looks good so far, but do not forget to create the neccesary disturbance. It is a flowing brook after al...
TanksForTheMemory
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Posted: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 - 11:18 AM UTC
Hi G,

Just dropped in on this one.

This is very nice indeed. A great example of how much you can fit into a small space if you use different levels and incorporate some interesting features.

I can see your dilemma about whether to go for one or two carriers... for my money one will do because I imagine they would want each one to get clear before the second entered the stream.

I imagine you are planning to have one either entering or leaving the water so you can incorporate some cool water effects... The suspension on the Universal carrier gave it a distinctive upward slope, so why not use that to your advantage?

Also, as far as weathering / colouring is concerned, I wouldn't make any final decisions until you have the carrier(s) at least in its/their base coat. I found with my last diorama (Liberation, Italy 1944 - which also had a carrier) that a lot changed once I had the vehicles to place amongst the scenery...

Anyway, that's just my penny's worth. Keep up the fantastic work!

Tim
G-man69
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Posted: Wednesday, September 16, 2020 - 12:57 AM UTC

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Nice build G , beautiful man !!



Hi Cheyenne,

Thanks very much for the kind feedback, much appreciated, .

Cheers, ,

G
G-man69
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Posted: Wednesday, September 16, 2020 - 12:59 AM UTC

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Nice update! Great stuff you added like the "wavy weeds" at the creek bottom. Spot on. Green stains on the ford rocks,also nice touch. Worn path down the bridge center-cool! I could go on and on but I will let others weigh in.
J



Hi Jerry,

Thanks for the positive feedback, it means a great deal to know someone has spotted some of the smaller details, .

Thanks again, and cheers, ,

G
G-man69
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Posted: Wednesday, September 16, 2020 - 01:28 AM UTC

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Really beautiful work G, already a gem. If that was a/the water test under the bridge it looks like a success – if not too late I’d suggest maybe darkening the cobbles that’ll be submerged…assuming they will be submerged a little? I can see you’ve “mossed” them but I’m not sure it’ll provide enough contrast to drier stones & there may be a risk the water’s so transparent it’ll be invisible - reflections show best against a darker background. I’d also suggest the bare earth seems too reddish & needs toning down unless that’s just the lighting?



Hi Tim,

Thanks for the feedback, with hindsight I agree about the ground colour, looks more like Vietnam than Northern Europe, . I have now turned it to more of a greyish colour.

I'll check what can be done about the cobbles, I had been toying with putting a thin silty deposit, but wasn't sure whether that would happen where there was a shallow relatively fast moving flow of water, , any thoughts?

I was lucky with the water, nearly had a major disaster, . I started off with a thin layer of Deluxe Aqua Magic, great product, but it's viscous and doesn't flow easily, so I thought I'd try Vallejo Water Texture as it's much runnier.

The initial pour seemed fine, though it's cloudier in appearance, however, the following morning it had turned milky, . Not sure if there was a reaction between the two materials, or whether I poured it thicker than 3mm, but luckily it hadn't totally cured, so I was able to clean it off, back down to the Aqua Magic layer.

So I've stuck with layering the Aqua Magic, it's slow work, 3mm layers at a time with minimum 24hrs drying time for each layer, ...but it seems to be working.

Cheers, .

G
G-man69
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Posted: Wednesday, September 16, 2020 - 01:32 AM UTC

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The depth in the water works is beginning to show nicely, keep er rolling! The ground work is coming to life too, looking good. Standing by to stand by



Hi Ski,

Thanks for your continued support, it helps keep me going, especially when I get to slow and laborious elements like the water, much appreciated, .

Cheers, ,

G
G-man69
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Posted: Wednesday, September 16, 2020 - 01:36 AM UTC

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Things are starting to look swell... The water looks good so far, but do not forget to create the neccesary disturbance. It is a flowing brook after al...



Hi Erwin,

Thank you my friend, thus far it's been about getting depth, but the next layer will be the one that will show movement, ...hopefully, .

Cheers, ,

G
G-man69
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Posted: Wednesday, September 16, 2020 - 01:59 AM UTC

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Hi G,

Just dropped in on this one.

This is very nice indeed. A great example of how much you can fit into a small space if you use different levels and incorporate some interesting features.

I can see your dilemma about whether to go for one or two carriers... for my money one will do because I imagine they would want each one to get clear before the second entered the stream.

I imagine you are planning to have one either entering or leaving the water so you can incorporate some cool water effects... The suspension on the Universal carrier gave it a distinctive upward slope, so why not use that to your advantage?

Also, as far as weathering / colouring is concerned, I wouldn't make any final decisions until you have the carrier(s) at least in its/their base coat. I found with my last diorama (Liberation, Italy 1944 - which also had a carrier) that a lot changed once I had the vehicles to place amongst the scenery...

Anyway, that's just my penny's worth. Keep up the fantastic work!

Tim



Hi Tim,

Thanks for dropping in and taking the time to leave comments and ideas.

I had thought of two Carriers originally, one entering the water and one climbing the slope but am having second thoughts as it might be too cluttered, unbalanced, and hide too much scenery.

So I'm leaning towards your suggestion of one Carrier just leaving the water and starting to climb the slope (see trial images below).





I think it looks better, and I think the bridge helps balance it out, yet it still allows me to play around with some watery effects, .

You make a good point about weathering, I should have spent the time waiting for the water to dry (doesn't sound right, ) to get on with painting the Carrier...thank you for reminding me, .

Cheers, ,

G