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Armor and AFVs of the IDF army from 1947-today.
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howthebloodyhell are these painted
trakpin
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Posted: Sunday, July 12, 2020 - 02:34 AM UTC
pe registration plates, the one's with the raised #s. tried black/dry brush white, white then black and wipe off, black with white on flat surface, the reverse of a stamp, and nothing works
18Bravo
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Posted: Sunday, July 12, 2020 - 02:42 AM UTC
On a much larger scale, Indian Motorcycle owners like myself have encountered the same problem when wanting to paint details on the Indian head engine case covers or other parts such as the sir cleaner cover.
The solution is white glue.
It can be use in small scale as well, although you may need to thin it slightly. Work it around the numbers with a sharpened toothpick. Let dry, paint numbers, remove mask. There are also masking products available for things like this but I usually find the home remedy works just as well if not better.
Biggles2
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Posted: Sunday, July 12, 2020 - 02:56 AM UTC
Have you checked decals (Microscale for instance) if there are any letters/numbers in the right color/size/font that you can apply in place?
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Posted: Sunday, July 12, 2020 - 03:01 AM UTC
Agree with the decal idea. Another option find image of a real one. Reduce size on printer.

Just to clarify.... do you mean a data plate?

https://www.army-spareparts.com/shop/sites/default/files/styles/uc_product_full/public/img_0151.jpg?itok=raOKceOJ

Or, what we Yanks call a license plate?

https://saleofcar.com/img/us-army-license-plate-europe-belgium-netherlands-vtg-another-time-another-place-222203877422/0.jpg
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Posted: Sunday, July 12, 2020 - 03:08 AM UTC

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Have you checked decals (Microscale for instance) if there are any letters/numbers in the right color/size/font that you can apply in place?



As the OP is posting in the IDF forum, good luck finding a "tsade" from Microscale, much as I love their products.
trakpin
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Posted: Sunday, July 12, 2020 - 03:25 AM UTC

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Agree with the decal idea. Another option find image of a real one. Reduce size on printer.

Just to clarify.... do you mean a data plate?

https://www.army-spareparts.com/shop/sites/default/files/styles/uc_product_full/public/img_0151.jpg?itok=raOKceOJ

Or, what we Yanks call a license plate?

https://saleofcar.com/img/us-army-license-plate-europe-belgium-netherlands-vtg-another-time-another-place-222203877422/0.jpg



the narrow strip found on IDF vehicles. I do have decals, but they're twice the size used on Merkavas, plus they don't have the relief pe does, #'s/letter raised. not fmiliat with "tsade", and thought microscale closed up shop
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Posted: Sunday, July 12, 2020 - 03:31 AM UTC
"Tsade' is the Hebrew letter that appears on most of the plates.
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Posted: Sunday, July 12, 2020 - 04:04 AM UTC
I've encountered the same issue without having a perfect solution. I guess paintbrushes are not the right tool. I think of using an extra thin black pencil (the kind to write on plastic foil) next time.

Olivier
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Posted: Sunday, July 12, 2020 - 04:32 AM UTC
Enough speculation. (although the white glue method works)

Just use a big fat black magic marker.

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Posted: Sunday, July 12, 2020 - 06:29 AM UTC

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As the OP is posting in the IDF forum, good luck finding a "tsade" from Microscale, much as I love their products.



Cast iron (raised) number plates used on contemporary heavy AFVs don't include the letter 'Tzadik', just six digits.









If you see a 'Tzadik' on a contemporary number plate then it's either painted...





...or just an ordinary military number plate used on some of the softkins:





There are also painted number plates without the letter 'Tzadik':



trakpin
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Posted: Sunday, July 12, 2020 - 07:14 AM UTC

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Enough speculation. (although the white glue method works)

Just use a big fat black magic marker.



white glue? what black magic trickery is this, to paraphrase a teamspeak friend in Israel. 18Bravo, these pe do have a letter. my life, my life for want of a toothpick, tho I suppose I could find something useful. thx ya'll
18Bravo
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Posted: Sunday, July 12, 2020 - 07:28 AM UTC
Perfect, Israel. (Working on post at same time as OP's follow on) We'll use your last photo as an example then, from the Legend Puma kit.

Paint plate white. Use gloss paint.



Run the marker from my previous post over the plate, immediately wipe black off of numbers with finger. Done.



It took me a while to remember how I had done my M107 with a Verlinden PE plate - 812901. And yes, the was no letter, but there is one my M110 from the same time period, although it's not raised.
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Posted: Sunday, July 12, 2020 - 11:10 AM UTC
well, no gloss and no marker. did try the finger wipe, but no joy. took it to bare metal
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Posted: Sunday, July 12, 2020 - 02:36 PM UTC
How about an improvised mini-paint-roller? Cut a piece of cork or something into the shape of a disc about half an inch wide, stick a toothpick through the middle as an axle so it rotates freely, roll that over some white paint and roll it over something else to take almost all the paint off it, then roll that over the plate (obviously having painted the plate black first) – it may need a couple of white coats, the trick is to have as little paint on the roller as possible and apply minimal pressure
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Posted: Monday, July 13, 2020 - 12:14 AM UTC

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How about an improvised mini-paint-roller? Cut a piece of cork or something into the shape of a disc about half an inch wide, stick a toothpick through the middle as an axle so it rotates freely, roll that over some white paint and roll it over something else to take almost all the paint off it, then roll that over the plate (obviously having painted the plate black first) – it may need a couple of white coats, the trick is to have as little paint on the roller as possible and apply minimal pressure



here, have 2 more just so happens, I DO have a cork
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Posted: Monday, July 13, 2020 - 04:22 AM UTC
Here is yet another suggestion: paint the entire plate gloss white (or matt white and then apply a clear gloss coat). Then simply add several diluted coats of black paint taking care not to touch the raised numbers. The paint should flow as a wash by capillary action around the raised details for a nice clean finish.
In case you need to do some touch-ups with a brush to clean up the white areas, I´d use thicker paint, load a very small amount in the brush and use it sideways, almost parallel to the surface, and then repeat the black wash/es as required.
Finally, apply matt varnish to kill the shine.

Hope it helps,
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Posted: Monday, July 13, 2020 - 05:38 AM UTC
What about getting some white dry transfer letters and rubbing them onto the PE after it's painted black. They don't have to be the right letters; just have to be big enough to cover the raised parts of the PE. If you emboss the whole thing with something hard and flat then the transfer should only adhere to the raised parts.

This is all theory on my part...

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Posted: Monday, July 13, 2020 - 07:03 AM UTC

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What about getting some white dry transfer letters and rubbing them onto the PE after it's painted black. They don't have to be the right letters; just have to be big enough to cover the raised parts of the PE. If you emboss the whole thing with something hard and flat then the transfer should only adhere to the raised parts.

This is all theory on my part...




hmmm..., perhaps even a wide enuff strip could work, seeing as the #s are raised

gonna be tossing a lotta these around in here
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Posted: Monday, July 13, 2020 - 08:08 AM UTC
Paint the letters white, thin down the black paint and apply it with a very thin brush.
capillary action will draw the black paint right to the edge of the numbers...let dry
and then go back and fill with black as needed and overcoat with varnish.

This is basically the method I use when painting aircraft cockpit dials and other details
and the results are very good.
Cheers,
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Posted: Monday, July 20, 2020 - 10:15 PM UTC

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Paint the letters white, thin down the black paint and apply it with a very thin brush.
capillary action will draw the black paint right to the edge of the numbers...let dry
and then go back and fill with black as needed and overcoat with varnish.

This is basically the method I use when painting aircraft cockpit dials and other details
and the results are very good.
Cheers,


Use the very same method for tires molded around the wheel : highly diluted tire black, flowing around the wheel center and touch up for the outside of the tire.
trakpin
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Posted: Monday, July 20, 2020 - 11:51 PM UTC
tried the cork and no work. the #s aren't raised enuff, and I suspect it'll be the same for capillary action. good ideas all the same, tho


edit: tried the rub on transfers, forgot what they
re called, and same, no work. guess I'll just have to do w/out
trakpin
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Posted: Sunday, July 26, 2020 - 08:29 AM UTC
got lucky. found a decals for a Sh'ot kal that had suitable reg #s
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Posted: Sunday, July 26, 2020 - 11:57 PM UTC
Elefant just announced a number plate set (not the cast iron type) which allows mix and match of individual number plates: http://www.armorama.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=36169&mode=thread&order=0
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Posted: Monday, July 27, 2020 - 03:15 AM UTC
If nothing else works, I guess you could also try yet another method: start painting the part in a durable white color, maybe adding a gloss coat for added strenght, followed by a thin coat of black with the airbrush (use a type of paint that doesn´t peel off in large chunks). Then, to reveal the white numerals for the final effect, simply sand down the phot-etched part very carefully against a flat surface. Use a very fine grit to ensure you only remove the black from the high points.

Hope it helps
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Posted: Monday, July 27, 2020 - 03:29 AM UTC

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Elefant just announced a number plate set (not the cast iron type) which allows mix and match of individual number plates: http://www.armorama.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=36169&mode=thread&order=0



yeah saw that a moment ago isn't that the way it always goes?

cesar, no airbrush or gloss. do have clear flat, tho. if the pe #a can be even called raised, it's just too way thin. gonna have a look at those decals. at least with them, I can have fully accurate markings, assuming the wt skinner is accurate. dunno what his source was