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Questions on M1197Ambulance
YellowHammer
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Posted: Sunday, May 10, 2020 - 02:31 PM UTC
Hi Folks,
I'm wanting to build a current US Army ambulance to honor my son who is serving in an Alabama Army National Guard Medical Company. They are currently activated as part of the COVID-19 response. He said the ambulances they are using are M1197 FLAs (Field Litter Ambulance). I am having no luck finding any references to M1197s on the internet. Does anyone have any info on this vehicle? My son said it was based on an HMMWV. Are there any models out there of an M1197 or can I convert an M997 to create an M1197?
Any and all assistance is gratefully appreciated.
John
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Posted: Sunday, May 10, 2020 - 06:18 PM UTC
Moved from Modelling in General in the hope of faster/better/more replies / Robin
Frenchy
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Posted: Sunday, May 10, 2020 - 10:36 PM UTC
Are you sure it's a M1197 ? When I search "Field Litter Ambulance" on Youtube, I get a short National Guard video showing....A M997

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MNBJGYT_FOA

H.P.
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Posted: Sunday, May 10, 2020 - 11:16 PM UTC
Could it be an ambulance version built on the more recent M1100 series HMMWV?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=woV7zaI9OWk
HeavyArty
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Posted: Monday, May 11, 2020 - 12:01 AM UTC
It sounds like they could be using the new MRAP Ambulance. It is based on the MaxxPro MRAP.


18Bravo
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Posted: Monday, May 11, 2020 - 02:13 AM UTC

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It sounds like they could be using the new MRAP Ambulance.



That's not likely if, as his son said, it is indeed HMMWV based.
HermannB
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Posted: Monday, May 11, 2020 - 03:15 AM UTC
FLA has the designation M997 A3. It`s a completely new super-structure build on M1152 UAH chassis. Could be easily done by using Academy M1151 and build the superstructure from sheet.
HermannB
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Posted: Monday, May 11, 2020 - 03:27 AM UTC
Images of M997 A3

https://www.armyrecognition.com/weapons_defence_industry_military_technology_uk/new_m997a3_humvee_the_most_modern_military_ambulance_in_the_fleet_of_u.s._national_guard_1102148.html

http://www.army-guide.com/eng/product5276.html

https://www.alamy.de/fotos-bilder/humvee-ambulance.html
HeavyArty
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Posted: Monday, May 11, 2020 - 03:39 AM UTC
Whoops, missed the parts where he said it was definitely on a HMMWV.


The M977A3 does not have a new super structure though. It is the same rear box that is on the previous versions of M977s. It is just the most current version built on a heavy (M1100) chassis. You could build it using the Academy M1151 chassis/body and the Academy M977 ambulance box. They should fit together perfectly.


HermannB
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Posted: Monday, May 11, 2020 - 06:49 AM UTC

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Whoops, missed the parts where he said it was definitely on a HMMWV.


The M977A3 does not have a new super structure though. It is the same rear box that is on the previous versions of M977s. It is just the most current version built on a heavy (M1100) chassis. You could build it using the Academy M1151 chassis/body and the Academy M977 ambulance box. They should fit together perfectly.





Why should they use 30 years plus old shelter on latest HMMWV chassis?
HermannB
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Posted: Monday, May 11, 2020 - 06:52 AM UTC
Spec sheet of M997A3


https://www.amgeneral.com/what-we-do/platforms-automotive-systems/humvee-m997a3/

@ John
Maybe your son can take some pics of the M997A3 for you (and us)?
HeavyArty
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Posted: Monday, May 11, 2020 - 07:38 AM UTC

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Whoops, missed the parts where he said it was definitely on a HMMWV.


The M977A3 does not have a new super structure though. It is the same rear box that is on the previous versions of M977s. It is just the most current version built on a heavy (M1100) chassis. You could build it using the Academy M1151 chassis/body and the Academy M977 ambulance box. They should fit together perfectly.





Why should they use 30 years plus old shelter on latest HMMWV chassis?



I didn't mean they are recycling old shelters, but the shelter design has not changed. It is the same design that has been used on all M997s.
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Posted: Monday, May 11, 2020 - 08:23 AM UTC
John,
Here are the two kits the guys are talking about:





By the way John, my son is in the Texas Army National Guard and is too deployed in support of the epidemic. They keep extending his orders. So far he has been gone almost two months. Then they got to go through their own quarantine when mission is done and before they are released off of orders and come home.
18Bravo
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Posted: Monday, May 11, 2020 - 10:26 AM UTC
Hey Pete - I"m sure he's doing Texas proud.

If I were going to go through the bother of that conversion, I'd stick the new module on the back of the up armored truck.

YellowHammer
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Posted: Monday, May 11, 2020 - 11:03 AM UTC
Thanks everyone for your responses. My son is supposed to send some pix this week. I asked him if it was a 997 and he said it was an 1197. Since he drives one I couldn't argue with him. Thanks for the model recommendations too. I'll start searching for kits.

Thanks to everyone who has served or are serving now. Pete, that goes for your son too. My son's unit was state activated the first week in April and then went federal activation the last week in April. Don't know when they'll be released to come home.

Stay safe everyone.
John
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Posted: Monday, May 11, 2020 - 05:17 PM UTC
When You open driver's door there should be a placard with HMMVWV version. Could You please ask Your son to make this placard's photo? There is an example of such placard at the last two photos from 1st page of this walkaronud:
https://www.hmmwvinscale.com/apps/photos/album?albumid=13012956&pagesize=60&page=1
YellowHammer
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Posted: Wednesday, May 13, 2020 - 01:26 PM UTC

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Whoops, missed the parts where he said it was definitely on a HMMWV.


The M977A3 does not have a new super structure though. It is the same rear box that is on the previous versions of M977s. It is just the most current version built on a heavy (M1100) chassis. You could build it using the Academy M1151 chassis/body and the Academy M977 ambulance box. They should fit together perfectly.





Why should they use 30 years plus old shelter on latest HMMWV chassis?



I didn't mean they are recycling old shelters, but the shelter design has not changed. It is the same design that has been used on all M997s.



The shelters have changed some. Larger door leading to the cab; LED lighting, environmental controls in the shelter instead of the cab are some changes I'm aware of. Don't know if these would be visible from outside the vehicle.
Thanks
John
HermannB
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Posted: Wednesday, May 13, 2020 - 03:30 PM UTC
John, check out the angles of the shelter. M997 is having a radius, M997A3 is almost sharp. That what makes it difficult to use the Academy shelter OOTB.
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Posted: Wednesday, May 13, 2020 - 05:41 PM UTC

M997A3


M997A3


M997A3, some sort of corner profiles holding flat panels together?
Sharp corners on the rear doors
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M997A2



M997? (before A3) for sale at Midwest Military Equipment https://midwestmilitaryequipment.com/am-general-m997-ambulance-humvee-hmmwv/ walkaround


M997 for sale, 39 grand, smooth rounded corners.
Rounded corners on the rear doors.

/ Robin
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Posted: Wednesday, May 13, 2020 - 07:40 PM UTC

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John,
Here are the two kits the guys are talking about:





By the way John, my son is in the Texas Army National Guard and is too deployed in support of the epidemic. They keep extending his orders. So far he has been gone almost two months. Then they got to go through their own quarantine when mission is done and before they are released off of orders and come home.



M997 kit is not available anymore and hard to find..looking for onefor myself since 2 years..
RobinNilsson
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Posted: Wednesday, May 13, 2020 - 08:07 PM UTC

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John,
Here are the two kits the guys are talking about:





By the way John, my son is in the Texas Army National Guard and is too deployed in support of the epidemic. They keep extending his orders. So far he has been gone almost two months. Then they got to go through their own quarantine when mission is done and before they are released off of orders and come home.



M997 kit is not available anymore and hard to find..looking for onefor myself since 2 years..



https://www.ebay.com/itm/Academy-1352-US-Humvee-M997-Maxi-Ambulance-1-35-Scale-Model-Kit-RARE/324094999600?hash=item4b75913c30:g:m28AAOSwIWxeYjft
Too expensive in my opinion ...

https://www.ebay.com/itm/U-S-Military-M997-AMBULANCE-1-35th-BOX-KIT-SHRINK-WRAPPED/184287747757?hash=item2ae867dead:g:ROEAAOSwK6Vers1f
Auction, could become expensive


https://www.ebay.com/itm/Academy-1352-US-Humvee-M997-Maxi-Ambulance-1-35-Scale-Model-Kit-RARE/143601602462?hash=item216f528f9e:g:T-UAAOSw5ulepd73
Only ships within UK, no harm in asking about shipping to Germany ...
Frenchy
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Posted: Wednesday, May 13, 2020 - 08:45 PM UTC

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M997? (before A3) for sale at Midwest Military Equipment



According to its data plate, it's a M998 cargo/troop carrier delivered in 1985



H.P.
HermannB
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Posted: Thursday, May 14, 2020 - 06:32 AM UTC

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M997? (before A3) for sale at Midwest Military Equipment



According to its data plate, it's a M998 cargo/troop carrier delivered in 1985



H.P.



1/1 scale kitbash?
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Posted: Thursday, May 14, 2020 - 08:12 AM UTC
just one thing. FLA stands for Four litter ambulance.
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Posted: Thursday, May 14, 2020 - 11:11 AM UTC
Not to argue.... Front Line Ambulance