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Armor/AFV: Allied - WWII
Armor and ground forces of the Allied forces during World War II.
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Spare parts M4A1?
Nevada, United States
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Posted: Thursday, December 05, 2019 - 01:53 PM UTC
Saw this on another site. Looks like a real early M4A1 with a replacement turret in Germany in 1945. What are the chances of the old M3 suspension having been retained with all thhe other upgrades, applique armor, rebuilt turret with commander's vision cupola. I'd figure by 45 the suspension would be clapped out or the tank itself destroyed or "retired".
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Stockholm, Sweden
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Posted: Thursday, December 05, 2019 - 09:41 PM UTC
Could the M3 bogies have been swapped in when nothing else was available?
New Jersey, United States
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Posted: Thursday, December 05, 2019 - 11:46 PM UTC
It went through the remanufacture program. You can tell from the wide M34A1 mantlet and applique armor. It is real and a few did exist. There is at least one other photo of an M4A1 with remanufactured features still retaining the early suspension in the old Squadron M4 Sherman in action. It's a rear shot and obvious because the trailing return wheel arms aren't visible where they should be.

Hunnicutt mentions that not all tanks in the remanufacture program received all the features and some got through without one new bit or another to include the suspension.

There were early unchanged M4 and M4A1 (even direct view ones) with the older suspension that served until the end of the war in Italy. Numerous photos of them at Anzio in 1944 and in assembly postwar. They were never remanufactured like those in NW Europe were before D-Day. It was deemed more important to keep them running because parts were available but not whole new tanks.

Similarly there were M4A4 DV fireflies. They just had the vision ports plated over.

If it ain't broken, don't fix it. If it doesn't need replacement, don't. There's a war on.

And it gives one a chance to model an unusual subject.
Overijssel, Netherlands
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Posted: Friday, December 06, 2019 - 12:32 AM UTC
This Sherman was photographed at Nuremberg stadium:

Here's a rear view.

I'd say an upgraded initial/ early M4A1, with dv hull. It also had sandbag racks added.