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Armor and ground forces of the Allied forces during World War II.
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Studebaker US6 U5 tanker
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Posted: Sunday, May 17, 2020 - 07:42 PM UTC
You're right, Henri-Pierre,
I should've limited my statement to the tanker trucks that David Doyle covers extensively in his CCKW book.
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Posted: Sunday, May 17, 2020 - 04:46 AM UTC
Does anyone have experiences with the putting the master productions cab on the HB kits?
Thanks Dan
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Posted: Sunday, May 17, 2020 - 04:40 AM UTC
Nice build, Peter. Just one remark: in your article you say that tanker trucks didn't have towing pintles. I guess at least some did indeed :










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Posted: Sunday, May 17, 2020 - 04:27 AM UTC
Sorry, typo in the url:
http://www.panzer-modell.de/berichte/studebaker_us6/studer_e.php
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Posted: Sunday, May 17, 2020 - 04:18 AM UTC
Hi all,
At long last, my Studebaker gasoline tanker is finished, and the build report can be seen here:
http://www.panzer-modell.de/berichte/studebaker_US6/studer_e.php
I'd also be willing to show pics here in the "photos" section if someone told me again how it's done.

Here are my findings in a nutshell: The ICM truck really isn't perfect, but a decent kit. HB's tanker, however, is plagued not only by the mismolded fender/cab and the missing drag link, but the tank superstructure is so long that they had to extend the chassis a full 7 mm, which would be close to ten inches in 1:1 scale. Apparently, they designed the tank stuff without thinking of the different spare wheel position and then had to cheat their way out like this.

Or have I misunderstood something? Comments welcome!
Peter
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Posted: Friday, March 13, 2020 - 01:37 AM UTC


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I guess these may not be good enough...



Unfortunately, you're right, especially as they show a version that considerably differs from the photos (made by GM) in the Doyle book.
Thanks a lot, anyway!
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Posted: Thursday, March 12, 2020 - 09:07 PM UTC

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Are there any pics of that original gasoline hose coupling that could help me along?



I guess these may not be good enough...





H.P.
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Posted: Thursday, March 12, 2020 - 10:41 AM UTC
LOVE the side tipper!

Great work Roy!
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Posted: Thursday, March 12, 2020 - 10:12 AM UTC

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Just to throw a little more info into this discussion— I believe the Italeri deuce kit is actually an old (but still nice) Peerless Max mold, and not originally one of their own. But I think the more recent Studebaker mold from ICM is all new molds. But doesn’t someone else make a Studebaker deuce?
VR, Russ



No. Italeri and Peerless are not the same. For instance the cab walls and roof on the Peerles are thicker.

Also the Peerless trucks while very nice failed to capture the look of the real GMC because they look too substantial.
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Posted: Wednesday, March 11, 2020 - 08:43 AM UTC
The answer to the question in my preceding post were 10 mm pieces of 1 x 1 mm plastic strip filed into long wedges that were cemented into the sides of the cutout.
Coming close to finishing my Studer gasoline tanker, there's another little problem resulting from HB having chosen an unusual prototype for their kit: WW II tanker trucks didn't have twin hose couplings. The photos in David Doyle's CCKW book unfortunately aren't showing the single faucet well enough to model a decent copy, so: Are there any pics of that original gasoline hose coupling that could help me along?

TIA, Peter
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Posted: Wednesday, February 12, 2020 - 04:09 AM UTC
Hi all,
Slowly progressing with my US6 U5 ICM/HB kitbash, I've tried to mount the tanks onto their load bed, only to find that HB have goofed here, too: The cutout in the support braces has a wider radius than the tanks, so they only touch each other at a tiny spot in the center. This can be seen in photos 38 and 39 in Darren Baker's kit review:
https://www.armorama.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=Reviews&file=index&req=showcontent&id=10473
Does anyone know of a published remedy for this, or do I have to find one myself?
Peter
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Posted: Tuesday, October 29, 2019 - 04:47 AM UTC
OK,
So I'll just ignore that there ever was a CMK model of the Studer gasoline tanker!
Thanks for your help, everybody,
Peter
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Posted: Tuesday, October 29, 2019 - 04:43 AM UTC
Nice work.
(A man after my own heart!)
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Posted: Tuesday, October 29, 2019 - 04:41 AM UTC
I built the US12 side tipper. The spare tire holder was
Very similar to CCKW ones.

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Posted: Sunday, October 27, 2019 - 08:10 AM UTC
The GM part - just for comparison.
(Rain running down the cab side - the barn roof leaks!)


Photo Mike Koenig - All Rights Reserved
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Posted: Sunday, October 27, 2019 - 07:17 AM UTC
If you look closer at the ubiquitous picture, I guess you could notice the "bottle" shape of the carrier :



IMHO, I don't see why they would have changed the carrier shape on this version...

To be sure, there're only two solutions (apart from finding a picture) )





H.P.
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Posted: Sunday, October 27, 2019 - 06:56 AM UTC
[quote]Could it be the same as the dump truck, or tractor truck one ?

Yes it definitely could, and I think it should. Trouble is that I don't know if maybe there was a CMK style rack that was used on the tanker only? Somewhere they must've got the idea, or what do all the experts think?
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Posted: Saturday, October 26, 2019 - 09:34 AM UTC
Could it be the same as the dump truck, or tractor truck one ?





EDIT : I guess this type must be shown in the Tankograd book...

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Posted: Saturday, October 26, 2019 - 08:38 AM UTC
May I try and bring this thread a little more back to its original topic, the Studer gasoline tanker?

Scrutinizing HB's parts, I found that their rendition of the spare wheel carrier is about as correct as their GMC cab: Of the lateral clamps, only one should be movable and thus be constructed as in the kit (same mistake as Italeri made with their water tanker). In addition, these clamps should be of equal width from top to bottom, not 'broad at the shoulder and narrow at the hip' as HB did them.

Studebaker, on the other hand, - as can be seen in the TM illustrations in Tankograd's book on the subject - , made the bottom plate wider, with an indentation for the tire, and with clamps that were basically flat and narrowed with rather sharp bends at their tops - again with only one of them folding, held in place with two support rods.

Basically no problem to copy these illustrations in plastic, if it weren't for CMK's kit of this vehicle which has a very different spare wheel carrier! If only there were a single photo straight from the side of a Studer tanker showing whether it had a CMK-type or a standard Studer spare wheel carrier - seems like after someone took that omni-present shot from the front left, nobody ever looked again.

HELP!, cries certified rivet counter
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Posted: Friday, October 25, 2019 - 04:35 AM UTC

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Not correct for WWII fuelers and tankers. It is correct for Vietnam era to present though.



plenty of wars to choose from so 'wartime' is a tricky definition



Sadly you're right - there's a never-ending supply of "wars to end all wars"...
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Posted: Friday, October 25, 2019 - 04:34 AM UTC
Thought I said "WWII wartime". My bad!
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Posted: Friday, October 25, 2019 - 04:07 AM UTC

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Not correct for WWII fuelers and tankers. It is correct for Vietnam era to present though.



plenty of wars to choose from so 'wartime' is a tricky definition
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Posted: Friday, October 25, 2019 - 03:45 AM UTC
Not correct for WWII fuelers and tankers. It is correct for Vietnam era to present though.
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Posted: Friday, October 25, 2019 - 03:16 AM UTC
At the risk of being picky that is not the correct type style for the US wartime fuel trucks and tanker trailers.

I know, I know . . . I'm a choosy begger!)