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Building Italeris 1/72 Hustler
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Posted: Tuesday, November 05, 2019 - 10:44 AM UTC
That B58 looks excellent Warren.

And an interesting build and paint story to follow. Thanks for sharing.
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Posted: Sunday, October 06, 2019 - 10:13 PM UTC
Very nice, Warren!

Not often you see a B-58!
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Posted: Sunday, October 06, 2019 - 07:26 PM UTC

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Warren! You made it, well done ! Looks nice enough in the photo and it sure got to be an impressive model!



Magnus



Hi Magnus.

It is a lot bigger than it looks in photos. I have to go and see the real thing in the USA sometime.

Cheers
Warren
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Posted: Sunday, October 06, 2019 - 07:08 PM UTC
Warren! You made it, well done ! Looks nice enough in the photo and it sure got to be an impressive model!



Magnus
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Posted: Sunday, October 06, 2019 - 07:00 PM UTC
Hi All.

Well the Hustler is finally finished. Not the best kit I have ever built but at least I now have a B-58 in my collection. Got the silver on then sprayed Gloss clear with self=leveling thinner but it came out very crappy. Oh well, will know for next NMF bird..



Now its back to the Rodney..

Cheers
Warren
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Posted: Tuesday, September 03, 2019 - 12:16 PM UTC
Thanks for all that halpful info Russ.
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Posted: Tuesday, September 03, 2019 - 11:03 AM UTC
Warren, I’ve had pretty good luck spaying Alclad over Tamiya Acrylic lacquer and Testors gloss black enamels. I’ve also found Gunze “Mr. Color”gloss black works exceptionally well as a base, and Floquil’s Bright and Old Silvers also work well.(Floquil is out of business completely now, but you can sometimes find it in Model RR shops). What I’ve noticed though, is older Alclad II has a tendency to “pull away” leaving uneven coverage with adhesive type tapes, even from its own base coat or its own 2nd coat if you don’t use the right mask. Regular tape is just too strong. I use 3M “post it notes” for masks, or Silly Putty- not sure you can get SP where you are though. I’ve also had great success using Alclad on decal paper, then cutting individual panels out and applying them as decals.
VR, Russ
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Posted: Tuesday, September 03, 2019 - 09:53 AM UTC
Thanks Frederick and Magnus.

I finally finished masking up the B-58 after spraying the matt surfaces with Tamiya XF-56. I was intending on using Alclad again but it was about 7 tears since I last used it (time really does fly). I picked up the bottle of gloss black undercoat and.... it has gone off.. I shook the bottle and nothing moved inside... I opened the bottle and had a small wiff.. very little fumes.. Then I stuck a scriber in it just in case it was just a dry coat over the top and the rest was good... nope.. hard as a rock..

The top was on tight and the small bottles of metallic are still fine so the painting is put off again until I can get some more Alclad II Black.

On a positive not, the repairs I did on my PC-6 after dropping it just a few inches have worked fine and the foliage green Lifecolor paint has gone on beautifully, after I worked out the right ratio for thinning.

That's it for now.

Warren
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Posted: Sunday, September 01, 2019 - 11:41 AM UTC
At least the previous stuff came off with just metho...

Might give my Alclad another try. I used it on a Bentley radiator once and the chrome came out beautifully.

Cheers
Warren
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Posted: Sunday, September 01, 2019 - 11:10 AM UTC
Not easy when this kind of jinx strikes a build!
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Posted: Sunday, September 01, 2019 - 08:31 AM UTC
Warren! I suffer with you, half a world away! That's an awful experience, especially if one is happy with the result the first time. I handle these kinds of disasters rather badly (another one of my less desirable personal characteristics ), you seem to do it a lot better! Hang in there!



Magnus
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Posted: Sunday, September 01, 2019 - 01:10 AM UTC
Warren,

Your trials may help many of us avoid or fix the same issues someday. Thanks for your dedication with this build. I appreciate you not round-filing it like I probably would.
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Posted: Saturday, August 31, 2019 - 08:14 PM UTC
Let's see now.. three disasters and three recoveries sort of describes my Father's Day weekend..

First I sprayed the PC-6 I am also building and it came out really crappy with the first coat. Then I dropped it from a small height and it broke off part of the undercarriage and two aerials. I reglued the undercarriage but am leaving the aerials off until I have finished painting the foliage green, which I just did and it looks great now I have the paint mixture ratio good.

Then, and a bit worse, you know that nice NMF I got on the Hustler, well it has been removed.

I had not used that paint for a long time and after I masked it up and painted the darker silver on the engines etc. this is what happened..





Yes, the top layers of the paint seemed to lift off. Great eh! So I removed all the NMF and have to start over. It was buffing paint but I forgot that it lifted off when you removed the masking tape.

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Posted: Tuesday, August 27, 2019 - 02:47 PM UTC
I've always heard Italeri's B-58 is a good model. I'll be watching and awaiting your assessment.

That B-58 at Wright-Pat that Michael posted, I was admiring it when a docent came over and told me interesting trivia - he was the pilot when it came to Wright-Pat from Little Rock AFB! I wish I'd written down his name.
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Posted: Tuesday, August 27, 2019 - 01:51 PM UTC

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Warren, my thoughts exactly on the cockpit, although I was intending to pose the canopies open. The AM stuff is primarily PE Instrument panels done with engraved instruments and panels. They look pretty good, but I’m still deliberating. The Hustler wing was one of the innovations, with a “honeycomb” structure rather than stringers which was pretty unique at the time. I used to have the Italeri TB58 in the stash, but gave it away several years ago. I’m assembling a collection of Convair deltas, the F102, F106, and the B58 were all integral components of Convairs “stable” at the time. So far I’ve got 2 F102s, and an F106, I just need to finish this Hustler, your build is inspiring me. Keep up the good work!
VR, Russ



Would be a good idea as the covers for the two crew (nit the oilt) fir very crapply...
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Posted: Tuesday, August 27, 2019 - 12:49 PM UTC
True enough, but then again it wasn’t designed for staying power. It was designed purely as a get in-get out quick supersonic nuclear delivery platform for the early 60s. It really can’t be compared to more modern multi-role aircraft like the F16 or B1, aircraft of later eras. It was replaced by the ICBM, not the B-1, which was designed for an entirely different mission. It never really had a “conventional” purpose— therefore, to compare it to more modern aircraft is really apples to oranges.
VR, Russ
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Posted: Tuesday, August 27, 2019 - 12:39 PM UTC
The B-58 may have had the same mission as the B-1, but it was well behind in technology. I worked with some the engineers that had designed the systems on the B-58. The electronics were from the earliest days of solid state, so most of the stuff was tube based. One of the guys tried describing the effort to remove an engine from the pod for servicing. It was complicated, removing and then replacing panels so other panels could be removed. An engine change could take well over 20 hours. For reference an F-16 takes about a half hour. All told I think the ratio of maintenance hours to flight hours was like 40:1. In addition, there was no bomb bay, the store (or store and fuel) was all carried externally, it really couldn't handle conventional bombs.

It was fierce, it traveled at mach 2 while parked, and I think Jon Denver's dad set 6 speed records in on one day, including one for the most records set in a day. But it just didn't have staying power.
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Posted: Tuesday, August 27, 2019 - 12:15 PM UTC
Warren, my thoughts exactly on the cockpit, although I was intending to pose the canopies open. The AM stuff is primarily PE Instrument panels done with engraved instruments and panels. They look pretty good, but I’m still deliberating. The Hustler wing was one of the innovations, with a “honeycomb” structure rather than stringers which was pretty unique at the time. I used to have the Italeri TB58 in the stash, but gave it away several years ago. I’m assembling a collection of Convair deltas, the F102, F106, and the B58 were all integral components of Convairs “stable” at the time. So far I’ve got 2 F102s, and an F106, I just need to finish this Hustler, your build is inspiring me. Keep up the good work!
VR, Russ
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Posted: Tuesday, August 27, 2019 - 11:52 AM UTC
There have been many aircraft called widowmaker over the years but the loss/accident rate of the B-58 was better than many other aircraft.

It still holds many records even now. In these days of digital fly-by-wire flight controls there would have been many less accidents than they had. The main problem causing the accidents was inexperience of the pilot That is why they developed a TB version soon after it was introduced into service.

But who cares when we are discussing models..

I wouldn't bother too much with the resin cockpit as you can see stuff all when it is finished anyway.
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Posted: Tuesday, August 27, 2019 - 10:27 AM UTC

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Actually Magnus after a few teething problems the Hustler went on to become a fantastic aircraft, but in their usual stupidity the USAF decided it's roll wasn't needed anymore so they retired them... and then developed the B-1A which did exactly the same thing as the B-58, except much more slowly ..



Warren,
It was in fact, a record breaking aircraft, setting several speed records, and has to be given some credit for pioneering several innovations in aircraft design. But it was also known as a "widowmaker", and could be quite unforgiving during take-off and landing. I've been watching from afar, and have this exact kit on the "shelf of doom" and am waiting to see what you make of it. So far, I've gotten as far as assembling the engine nacelles, landing gear, and wings. I'm stopped at the fuselage halves as I have an ancient AM interior, but haven't decided how to proceed. I understand Eduard just released an AM set. But I'm waiting for you to finish to see what can be done. So far, yours is looking great!
VR, Russ
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Posted: Tuesday, August 27, 2019 - 09:30 AM UTC
Actually Magnus after a few teething problems the Hustler went on to become a fantastic aircraft, but in their usual stupidity the USAF decided it's roll wasn't needed anymore so they retired them... and then developed the B-1A which did exactly the same thing as the B-58, except much more slowly ..
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Posted: Monday, August 26, 2019 - 11:39 PM UTC
I realise now that the classic axiom "if it looks right it is right" doesn't hold true when it comes to this machine. It must be one of the best looking aircraft ever made but it served for less than ten years and suffered a lot from both systems trouble and bad flying characteristics! So much for checking things up, I wish I had continued living in ignorance in this case !

Anyway, that doesn't matter a bit when it comes to the model, that one will surely look the part!



Magnus
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Posted: Monday, August 26, 2019 - 07:17 PM UTC
I've got that same release in the stash waiting for me to be brave enough for a large scale NMF. I'm past that fear now, all I need is time and inspiration. Thanks for sharing your build.
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Posted: Monday, August 26, 2019 - 06:51 PM UTC
Thanks Russell and Magnus.

I have had it since 1985 and thought it was about time to build it.

Cheers
Warren
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Posted: Monday, August 26, 2019 - 04:51 PM UTC
Warren! I don't think I've ever seen it built even if it was quite common on the shelves in the 1980s. Keep up the good work!



Magnus