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Mannschaftstransportwagen Magirus ARW
Neonik
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St. Petersburg, Russia
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Posted: Sunday, October 13, 2019 - 09:36 PM UTC

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Surely some of the best brass work ever seen on Armorama. I can understand why (presumably) you dont want to paint it, but wow Id like to see that too. Brilliant Artyom, looking forward to the Cruiser



Hello,Tim! I think you are too kind There are many modellers with much more better skills to my mind.
Cruiser is on progress. I need a time to create a build log.
Dioramartin
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Posted: Friday, October 11, 2019 - 09:53 PM UTC
Surely some of the best brass work ever seen on Armorama. I can understand why (presumably) you dont want to paint it, but wow Id like to see that too. Brilliant Artyom, looking forward to the Cruiser
Neonik
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Posted: Tuesday, October 08, 2019 - 11:06 PM UTC

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Always a joy to see your builds Artyom.
So will be waiting what comes up next...

Kind regards,

Robert Jan



Hi,Robert! Thank you! next will be A13 Cruiser tank.
SpeedyJ
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Posted: Tuesday, October 08, 2019 - 09:49 PM UTC
Always a joy to see your builds Artyom.
So will be waiting what comes up next...

Kind regards,

Robert Jan
Neonik
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Posted: Tuesday, October 08, 2019 - 07:13 PM UTC

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Congratulations on a job very well done!



thank you,Robin! I did my best with that kit.
RobinNilsson
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Posted: Tuesday, October 08, 2019 - 02:39 AM UTC
Congratulations on a job very well done!
Neonik
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Posted: Tuesday, October 08, 2019 - 01:45 AM UTC
And all extra details in focus.











































Neonik
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Posted: Tuesday, October 08, 2019 - 01:44 AM UTC
At last work is over. Final photos.
















Neonik
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Posted: Sunday, September 29, 2019 - 11:57 PM UTC
Little update. I've made something like fencing or ladder... You can see it on a vehicle. Not a copy. Something alike. I think it will make Magirus look more interesting. First foto only for reference.









Neonik
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Posted: Saturday, September 28, 2019 - 04:14 AM UTC

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Phantastic work of detail on this rare kit!
Well done.

Keep up the good work.
cheers
Walter



Hello Walter and thnk you!
flugwuzzi
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Posted: Saturday, September 28, 2019 - 02:36 AM UTC
Phantastic work of detail on this rare kit!
Well done.

Keep up the good work.
cheers
Walter
Neonik
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Posted: Friday, September 27, 2019 - 01:40 AM UTC
Greetings to all! At last hull is ready and all parts on their places. I am happy about it because I am a little bit tired with this kit. Unfortunately I am not happy with the result. Wheels are really bad. I have tried to do my best but......


























Neonik
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Posted: Wednesday, September 11, 2019 - 11:57 PM UTC

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For that time period the vehicle was IMHO years ahead as we speak of design.
I new the Magirus design and it's appearance in real time. Very special and very different. I like it.

Kind regards,

Robert Jan



Indeed. Design was too modern and production was too complicated.
SpeedyJ
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Posted: Wednesday, September 11, 2019 - 04:32 PM UTC
For that time period the vehicle was IMHO years ahead as we speak of design.
I new the Magirus design and it's appearance in real time. Very special and very different. I like it.

Kind regards,

Robert Jan
Neonik
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Posted: Wednesday, September 11, 2019 - 06:33 AM UTC

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That's one ugly vehicle, and it doesn't appeal to me at all, but I must say the kit looks like one superb job of casting.



I think it has it is own beauty but my expectations about this kit were not fulfilled.
davcon5
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Posted: Wednesday, September 11, 2019 - 04:05 AM UTC
That's one ugly vehicle, and it doesn't appeal to me at all, but I must say the kit looks like one superb job of casting.
Neonik
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Posted: Wednesday, September 11, 2019 - 02:18 AM UTC
Exhaust pipe and it's fixators. It is not a final variant. Resin,putty,brass,copper. I have drilled 1,5 mm wire to make a pipe. That was crazy :smiling5:























Neonik
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Posted: Thursday, August 29, 2019 - 01:49 AM UTC
Hello friends! The work with hull welding has come to an end. I satisfied with the result.












Next stage - wheels. They are terrible! Every wheels consist of two parts. And it is not a funny story to put them together because parts curves. I have seen the reception on Gleb Vasilliev's Magirus. He has put on some plastic between two parts. I've decided to do the same.

And I see this insert in the center of the wheel on photos. Take a look.







I still need to fill the gaps by putty.










Neonik
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Posted: Sunday, August 25, 2019 - 08:53 AM UTC

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I admire your modesty almost as much as your skills those weld-seams are superb, along with everything else you have done so far


Thank you Tim! You are too kind! Modesty is something what makes us stronger and skills better.I hope next week I will finish working with welds on hull. Remember that turret is welded too.
Dioramartin
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Posted: Friday, August 23, 2019 - 11:44 PM UTC
I admire your modesty almost as much as your skills those weld-seams are superb, along with everything else you have done so far
Neonik
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Posted: Friday, August 23, 2019 - 12:55 AM UTC

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Those welds look very realistic


Thank you,Robin! Do my best.
RobinNilsson
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Posted: Friday, August 23, 2019 - 12:16 AM UTC
Those welds look very realistic
Neonik
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Posted: Friday, August 23, 2019 - 12:04 AM UTC
Greeting! I am on a half way with welds. Bottom of arches , turret box ,front and rear parts are ready. Now I have to weld sides. I have begun and I am satisfied with the results. It was long way to do it. Hard work with plastic , welds , special grooves for welds. Sorry for bad photos. I will make good ones when welds be ready.








Neonik
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Posted: Friday, August 16, 2019 - 01:07 AM UTC

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Really nice detailing work, built that kit myself, but straight from the box.


Greetings, Christophe! Sometimes building OOTB is a better way. Sometimes I regret getting into such "resin adventure"
Neonik
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Posted: Friday, August 16, 2019 - 01:04 AM UTC

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hmmmmmmmmmmm
going off on a wild tour into the dark forests of the Guessing Country ..............

1. This was a prototype.
2. I read somewhere that the specified weight limit was to be 7.5 tons and the armour was specified as 13.5 mm
3. The rims were cast from some kind of light metal alloy to keep the weight down.

Casting something large is one thing, casting something large and with thin walls, 13.5 mm thick sides of a casting that is somewhere around 5.5 meters long is more difficult.

My guess is that the hull was not cast at all except maybe for small pieces. If I were to build such a prototype I would use steel plates. For the full scale production it might be better to use casting but considering the shapes of the hull it could still be easier to shape steel plates and weld them together. Maybe it was even a simple armoured box with rounded ends and the fancy shapes over the wheels was only thin sheet metal.
The welds you have made under the wheel arches:

would fit the armoured box theory. The flat sides is the armoured box and the rounded shapes on the outside are there to increase volume to try and meet the original requirement that the ARW should float ...
Maybe you have already seen this page:
http://aviarmor.net/tww2/armored_cars/germany/arw.htm


The answer to your question: My guess is that almost the whole thing was welded. Don't know what I should say about the turret though ...
/ Robin



Thank you Robin for detailed aswer. I tend to agree with all your conclusions. For me it is much more easier to to do all these welds on a model.It will need time, of course. I have done only about 30% or less. Seems to me that turret is overall welded too. Much work ahead. But I have an expirience from former projects.