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Z18 Hans Ludemann, Norway 1940.
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Posted: Thursday, March 14, 2019 - 09:08 AM UTC

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Ditto Si. The Colours really make her stand out from the crowd.....Cheers mark




Thanks Mark,

I do like a bit of colour in all the grey, and the Kriegsmarine did like making sure the Luftwaffe could tell their ships from allied vessels.


Cheers

Si
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Posted: Thursday, March 14, 2019 - 11:47 PM UTC

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Si,

Nice work with those gun mounts, is that orange paint? A nice colorful looking ship.

Mark



Thanks Mark,

It is Yellow, I think the colour balance on the camera needed a tweak. Kriegsmarine units taking part in operation Weserubung, the invasion of Norway had their turret / gunhouse roofs painted yellow as additional air recognition.

Cheers

Si



That I didn't know until now. Good to know as I have some kits from Dragon I was planning to build in the future as if they were in Norway Campaign.

Mark
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Posted: Friday, March 15, 2019 - 06:07 AM UTC
Mark: None of the Dragon 1/350 offerings were in Norway in 1940.

Trumpeter has a Z-7 in 1/700 that was in Norway, but evidently was plagued by engine trouble
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Posted: Friday, March 15, 2019 - 07:27 AM UTC

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Si,

Nice work with those gun mounts, is that orange paint? A nice colorful looking ship.

Mark



Thanks Mark,

It is Yellow, I think the colour balance on the camera needed a tweak. Kriegsmarine units taking part in operation Weserubung, the invasion of Norway had their turret / gunhouse roofs painted yellow as additional air recognition.

Cheers

Si



That I didn't know until now. Good to know as I have some kits from Dragon I was planning to build in the future as if they were in Norway Campaign.

Mark




Hi Mark,


It appears the Yellow turret tops for the destroyers were only used for the invasion in 1940, although according to some sources the Z30 did have the entire gun shields painted yellow in the summer of 1942.


I think Trumpeter produce that vessel though.

Cheers

Si
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Posted: Saturday, March 16, 2019 - 05:34 AM UTC
Si,

fine work as always, she looks really good!!

Turret tops altered almost constantly as far as I can tell, the yellow is well known for some Norway operations, but I think there were various colours.

Cheers,
Jan
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Posted: Saturday, March 16, 2019 - 08:27 AM UTC

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Si,

fine work as always, she looks really good!!

Turret tops altered almost constantly as far as I can tell, the yellow is well known for some Norway operations, but I think there were various colours.

Cheers,
Jan



Thanks Jan,

I think Orange was used as well, not sure about other colours, but my research in this area is a long way from complete.

Cheers

Si
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Posted: Monday, March 25, 2019 - 09:49 AM UTC
Some progess this weekend.

Etched details on the aft superstructure, I am not sure about the door, but it seems like the logical spot for it.



Boat cranes fitted, still need a coat of paint.



Rather than have this end up on the shelf of shame, I decided to fit the existing 37mm, at least until U can get some Veteran replacements, or her 1st refit.



Actually they don't look too bad.

In place.





Don't look two bad in place either.

Cheers

Si
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Posted: Monday, March 25, 2019 - 01:12 PM UTC
Si,

Those 37mms do look decent. Of course you can always replace them later, but really, they look pretty good!
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Posted: Monday, March 25, 2019 - 08:52 PM UTC
nearly there now Si
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Posted: Tuesday, March 26, 2019 - 12:05 AM UTC
Si,

Those 37mm do look good, maybe do a dark wash on the base/support to enhance the detail.

Mark
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Posted: Tuesday, March 26, 2019 - 09:38 AM UTC

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Si,

Those 37mms do look decent. Of course you can always replace them later, but really, they look pretty good!




Thanks Tim,

The kit parts are rather good for standard IM part.

The only thing is the barrels look a bit short, might just replace those, will see after she has been around a few shows and comes in for a refit.

Ch
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Posted: Tuesday, March 26, 2019 - 09:44 AM UTC

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nearly there now Si




A little way to go yet Russ,

But I am getting there.

Cheers

Si
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Posted: Tuesday, March 26, 2019 - 09:49 AM UTC

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Si,

Those 37mm do look good, maybe do a dark wash on the base/support to enhance the detail.

Mark



Good point Mark,

I will do that. I struggled with that etch when building the Bismarck, (hence I replaced the mounts) but with a good optivisor the old eyes could cope.

Cheers

Si
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Posted: Tuesday, April 02, 2019 - 08:45 AM UTC
Quick update from the weekend.

The 20mm, on the left the kit part, on right, upgraded with some scrap etch.



The forward and midships rangefinders in place, left over Dragon parts.





The after upper deckhouse in place, along with it's mast.



Basic parts of the foremast together.



The topmast has wandered off somewhere, not an issue that a bit of scratch building won't cure.


Overview shot



More soon.

Cheers

Si


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Posted: Wednesday, April 03, 2019 - 08:30 AM UTC
yup-very quick, but she's looking good
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Posted: Wednesday, April 03, 2019 - 08:39 AM UTC

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yup-very quick, but she's looking good



Thanks Russ,

Sometimes it is nice to do a fairly straight forward build. Still got the rigging and a few other bits and pieces to go.


I am not yet sure whether she would have been carrying mines, can't find any photos to confirm either way.

Cheers

Si
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Posted: Wednesday, April 03, 2019 - 10:49 AM UTC
Si,

Amazing how a few extras really enhances that gun layout.

Mark
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Posted: Thursday, April 04, 2019 - 07:39 AM UTC

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Si,

Amazing how a few extras really enhances that gun layout.

Mark



Hi Mark,

I am pleased with the outcome, the barrels are a bit short, but I can live with this. Any etched frets with unused light AA parts definitely go in the spare etch box.

Thanks for looking in.

Cheers

Si
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Posted: Wednesday, April 10, 2019 - 05:39 AM UTC
Simon while we are still in Narvikland I thought I might inquire of you or anyone if the German Navy had some sort of tannish (like AfriKa Korps sand) anti skid paint that they used on the steel decks of DD's during WWII.

The question is prompted by the box art on the Dragon Z31, where the artist applied some mid shade of a sand color. Could be the lighting effect the artist wanted to portray,but it just made me wonder, as most of all the other navies had some sort of anti-slip provision on their steel decks,
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Posted: Wednesday, April 10, 2019 - 08:40 AM UTC

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Simon while we are still in Narvikland I thought I might inquire of you or anyone if the German Navy had some sort of tannish (like AfriKa Korps sand) anti skid paint that they used on the steel decks of DD's during WWII.

The question is prompted by the box art on the Dragon Z31, where the artist applied some mid shade of a sand color. Could be the lighting effect the artist wanted to portray,but it just made me wonder, as most of all the other navies had some sort of anti-slip provision on their steel decks,




Hi Chuck,


I haven't come across this sort of colour being used on steel decks of destroyers or any other KM warships from any reliable source. In Norway it wouldn't have been the best deck colour as camo against they grey cliffs of the Fjords.

Any other input welcome.

Cheers

Si
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Posted: Wednesday, April 10, 2019 - 11:13 AM UTC
Looks brilliant, Si!

Gaz
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Posted: Wednesday, April 10, 2019 - 06:36 PM UTC
Thanks Gaz,

The base kit may not quite be state of the art, but with a bit of etch and a bit of love it can stand up to the high tech offerings.

Thanks for looking in.

Cheers

Si
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Posted: Thursday, April 11, 2019 - 08:55 AM UTC
Finally, last weekend's progress.

The mainmast all etched up.



The replacement topmast with the WEM etched Yardarm fitted.



Sprayed, detail painted, searchlight fitted, again a Dragon spare part.



The WEM etched yardarm fitted to the vestigial mainmast.



More soon

Cheers

Si
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Posted: Thursday, April 11, 2019 - 11:31 PM UTC
Si,

Again, nice PE work and assembly of the mast. Won't be long until a another commissioning takes place.

Mark
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Posted: Friday, April 12, 2019 - 11:48 AM UTC

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Si,

Again, nice PE work and assembly of the mast. Won't be long until a another commissioning takes place.

Mark




Hi Mark,

Quality PE from WEM, fits like glove. A little way to go yet. and most of that is detail work, time is getting a bit limited at the moment too.

Thanks for looking in.

Cheers

Si.