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HMS MALCOLM SCOTT CLASS FLOTILLA LEADER 1/
RussellE
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Posted: Sunday, October 28, 2018 - 09:51 PM UTC
once the depth charge throwers and rigging starts to go on, you know you're nearly there
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Posted: Saturday, October 27, 2018 - 09:52 PM UTC

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Si, she's coming together very well. I like those diminutive Lewis guns!




Thanks Tim,

For a couple of simple bits of etch, the Lewis guns are surprisingly effective, unlike the real mount, which I think was more to boost crew morale than actually shoot anything down.

Cheers

Si
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Posted: Saturday, October 27, 2018 - 02:38 AM UTC
Si, she's coming together very well. I like those diminutive Lewis guns!
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Posted: Friday, October 26, 2018 - 09:17 PM UTC

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Si,

Nice work with the rigging and guns. Really digging those depth charge racks, nice.

Mark




Hi Mark,

they were fun to fold, but the resin depth charges are very nicely cast.

Thanks for looking in.

Cheers

Si
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Posted: Friday, October 26, 2018 - 11:25 AM UTC
Si,

Nice work with the rigging and guns. Really digging those depth charge racks, nice.

Mark
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Posted: Friday, October 26, 2018 - 07:25 AM UTC
Yesterday's progress.

Rigging on the after funnel.



The two single 2pdr pompoms built up.



painted and fitted.



The twin lewis gun mounts on the quarterdeck, along with depth charge reloads.



after throwers and rails in place.



More soon

cheers

Si



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Posted: Thursday, October 25, 2018 - 08:10 PM UTC

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I hope so Simon. After all it is my "BUTT IN GET OUT OF JAIL FREE" Card, that I have torn two pieces from, to share with you and Russ.

TS80 is pretty good, and I have used it on the real small boys as well, but at that scale it seems a bit off, probably caused by scale effect. Would not hesitate though to use it on 1/350. Still not perfect, but certainly one of those "best available" solutions. Never considered Kure Gray, but will look into it. I certainly do like it for the IJN though. Not too dark, but not too light either. "All truth is in the middle". That phrase sounds better in Latin, but it has been a very long time since I was a sophomore in high school.

Finally got started on Ashanti yesterday. Unable to share though, because I own neither a smart phone or digital camera. To me a phone is smart enough if I reach the party I am calling. A child of another age I suspect.




Hi Chuck,

I work on the old WW2 RN system, used the many a Chief Bosun's Mate when getting a ship painted and mixing camo colours they don't have available, TLAR - "That looks about right", and of course the home mixed colours each weathered differently.

Alright that is my excuse for being a bit lazy about colours. Being serious TS80 is a bit washed out, I have sprayed it over a black base coat, gently building up mist coats to get what I want.

I know what you mean about Smart phones, and frankly I don't like using any camera that doesn't have a proper viewfinder that I can stick my eyeball right up against. Yes I am fossilized dinosaur and proud of it!


Cheers

Si



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Posted: Thursday, October 25, 2018 - 06:28 AM UTC
I hope so Simon. After all it is my "BUTT IN GET OUT OF JAIL FREE" Card, that I have torn two pieces from, to share with you and Russ.

TS80 is pretty good, and I have used it on the real small boys as well, but at that scale it seems a bit off, probably caused by scale effect. Would not hesitate though to use it on 1/350. Still not perfect, but certainly one of those "best available" solutions. Never considered Kure Gray, but will look into it. I certainly do like it for the IJN though. Not too dark, but not too light either. "All truth is in the middle". That phrase sounds better in Latin, but it has been a very long time since I was a sophomore in high school.

Finally got started on Ashanti yesterday. Unable to share though, because I own neither a smart phone or digital camera. To me a phone is smart enough if I reach the party I am calling. A child of another age I suspect.
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Posted: Thursday, October 25, 2018 - 05:53 AM UTC
Not familiar with it Chuck,

will do some poking around at Telford, Could come if handy. I know it has criticised, but I use Tamiya TS80, RN grey or 507C, TS66 Kure Arsenal grey for 507B, not exactly right, but they look pretty close.

DKM greys, I tend to get the windy stick out.

Cheers


Si,

PS you are always free to butt in om my builds mate.
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Posted: Wednesday, October 24, 2018 - 09:26 PM UTC
Thanks for the heads up Chuck.

I have heard of Krylon before. I think Gabriel (Szmann) has mentioned them before...

Not sure they're available in Australia... I am a Colourcoats (enamel) addict at this stage though
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Posted: Monday, October 22, 2018 - 10:18 AM UTC
Two good turns to me, and hopefully one good turn in return.

I do a lot of Superior and Tri-ang 1/1200 ships. I am sure both of you are familiar with them. Never found a good paint match in a spray can for RN or DKM Light Grays, plus the Standard Navy Gray for pre-war USN ships, that is until today. Had to go to Lowe's for some household stuff, and figured I would give it another try at finding that color, or a very, very close approximation in the paint department while I was there.

Well, I told the lady what I wanted, and she led me right to Krylon Glacier Gray (paint and primer combo), and the world seemed brighter, the bird sang more sweetly, and it was off to give it a try. Pilled out one of my surplus 1/350 hulls I keep around for experimentation and WOW, it looks great. As a bonus it dries to the touch very rapidly. Not cured of course, but you can handle it safely after an hour.

Thought this info might be of some use. I believe Krylon is available in the UK.
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Posted: Monday, October 22, 2018 - 09:58 AM UTC
Both of you have earned my own personal lifetime "BUTT IN AND GET OUT OF JAIL FREE" Card.

Very much appreciated.
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Posted: Monday, October 22, 2018 - 09:20 AM UTC

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Always a pleasure to watch you build, Si!

Yes, go for Telford mate! We need more floaties at the shows!

If I may butt in, Chuck...


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Simon: Would it be correct to assume that if you were doing Malcolm in her configuration immediate pre-war you would do her in 507a hull and superstructure like the rest of the Home Fleet?

I am not considering any of the early war upgrades here, just the basic colors carried by Home Fleet destroyers in say January 1939.

The information I have derived from a book I saw advertised on this site, "British Destroyers 1939-45 Pre-war Classes", suggests that 507a Dark Gray would be the overall appropriate color, for DD's operating in home waters, while 507c Light Gray would be appropriate for destroyers on overseas deployment.

Again going from pictures and prints I am going to again assume that the pennant numbers while in the dark gray scheme would be in white, and for the light gray, they would be in black.

As you can see I have much to learn about the RN. I am a real babe in the woods in this regard.



There's a great resource on the White Ensign site here that shows many ships colour schemes, of note is HMS Eskimo in 1940, which states:

All vertical surfaces—AP 507B Admiralty Medium Grey

Steel decks & walkways, decks of launches (except Admiral’s Barge)—Admiralty Dark Grey

Hope this is of assistance to you



Hi Chuck,

Concur with Russ, white pennant numbers if I remember correctly.


Thanks Russ, please feel free to butt in at any time.

Would like to have this on the stand, WW1 era destroyer, converted into a Long Range Escort in a WA scheme, get a little interest.

Am planning to take a few with me, and probably bring a few more back as well.

Always appreciate you looking in mate.

Cheers

Si
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Posted: Monday, October 22, 2018 - 08:26 AM UTC
Always a pleasure to watch you build, Si!

Yes, go for Telford mate! We need more floaties at the shows!

If I may butt in, Chuck...


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Simon: Would it be correct to assume that if you were doing Malcolm in her configuration immediate pre-war you would do her in 507a hull and superstructure like the rest of the Home Fleet?

I am not considering any of the early war upgrades here, just the basic colors carried by Home Fleet destroyers in say January 1939.

The information I have derived from a book I saw advertised on this site, "British Destroyers 1939-45 Pre-war Classes", suggests that 507a Dark Gray would be the overall appropriate color, for DD's operating in home waters, while 507c Light Gray would be appropriate for destroyers on overseas deployment.

Again going from pictures and prints I am going to again assume that the pennant numbers while in the dark gray scheme would be in white, and for the light gray, they would be in black.

As you can see I have much to learn about the RN. I am a real babe in the woods in this regard.



There's a great resource on the White Ensign site here that shows many ships colour schemes, of note is HMS Eskimo in 1940, which states:

All vertical surfaces—AP 507B Admiralty Medium Grey

Steel decks & walkways, decks of launches (except Admiral’s Barge)—Admiralty Dark Grey

Hope this is of assistance to you
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Posted: Monday, October 22, 2018 - 07:53 AM UTC
Simon: Would it be correct to assume that if you were doing Malcolm in her configuration immediate pre-war you would do her in 507a hull and superstructure like the rest of the Home Fleet?

I am not considering any of the early war upgrades here, just the basic colors carried by Home Fleet destroyers in say January 1939.

The information I have derived from a book I saw advertised on this site, "British Destroyers 1939-45 Pre-war Classes", suggests that 507a Dark Gray would be the overall appropriate color, for DD's operating in home waters, while 507c Light Gray would be appropriate for destroyers on overseas deployment.

Again going from pictures and prints I am going to again assume that the pennant numbers while in the dark gray scheme would be in white, and for the light gray, they would be in black.

As you can see I have much to learn about the RN. I am a real babe in the woods in this regard.
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Posted: Sunday, October 21, 2018 - 07:54 PM UTC
Yesterday's progress.

The 3" gun platform fitted.



The 3" gun built.



The 3" gun painted and mounted, along with the ready use boxes and liferafts below the platform.



Some very nice etched splinter padding comes in the kit, one set has been painted to go on the 3" platform.



Stays on the forward funnel.



Depth charge reloads and two of the throwers in place.



Cheers

Si


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Posted: Saturday, October 20, 2018 - 09:15 PM UTC

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Si,

Thanks for the update, she is a sweet looking ship. I assume the windscreen is resin? Nice work fitting it in and painting.

Mark



You are welcome Mark,

The older RN destroyers do have a certain elegance. Now I have got into the swing of this build I am really enjoying it, I have got this damn fool idea I might get done for Telford. (likely going in the box with paint still wet on the 9th of November)




Cheers

Si
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Posted: Saturday, October 20, 2018 - 10:22 AM UTC
Si,

Thanks for the update, she is a sweet looking ship. I assume the windscreen is resin? Nice work fitting it in and painting.

Mark
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Posted: Saturday, October 20, 2018 - 08:09 AM UTC
A little progress today.

Railings on the after end of the fo'c's'le, no gutter rails on these, makes the fun the handle, but at least the bends are half etched through.



Bridge windscreen and mount for D/F aerial in place.



Carley floats painted, the green floats are attached to the 3" gun platform.



Liferaft racks, and few other bits and pieces, now ready for the 3" gun platform.



More soon

Cheers

Si




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Posted: Saturday, October 20, 2018 - 07:59 AM UTC
Simon: Atlantic Models seems to have all the decals that anyone would ever need for any RN subject in 1/350. Just found them last night.
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Posted: Friday, October 19, 2018 - 09:55 AM UTC
Sure does. Thanks.
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Posted: Friday, October 19, 2018 - 08:43 AM UTC

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One of the reasons I am following this thread on a regular basis is that I have grown tired of USN destroyers. There is only so much that you can do to a Fletcher, and I have reached a point where I believe I could put one together in my sleep, and all the fun of building is, at least temporarily, gone.

What I have done is turned my attention to the IJN, DKM, and RN DD's. AJM has a dealer in the States and offer four kits. I am tempted, and after I do Ashanti, I may go down that road. How do AJM products compare with Atlantic RN DD's. Slightly different era, but still in relatively the same time frame. They too have products that interest my greatly, but no dealer in the States seems to carry them, and the postage from the UK would add greatly to the cost. Still though if the quality of Atlantic is on par with what you say about AJM it may in the end be worth it to score some DD models that you do not see, and probably will never see, in plastic.




Hi Chuck,

The Atlantic / WEM and AJM are both very good, but different. AJM kits contain somewhat more small detail parts, but are less refined in other areas. Both have very complete etch, and enough brass rod for masts & yards.

I would say the WEM kits are easier to build, but you do need to find one or two detail bits for yourself, particularly for the bridge (North Star, or a bit of scratchbuilding can solve that.) One the upside their etch generally gives you options for different fits.

If you dig back through this section for my build of HMS Hesperus & U93, The Hesperus is typical of the Atlantic / WEM range.


The Atlantic website has some links to reviews and also scans of the instructions. The have some interesting destroyers, G, H, JKN, S & V classes, plus a US built four piper in RN service and a castle class corvette.

I will be buying at least one more AJM Scott, likely the kit in the original fit.

Hope that helps.

Cheers

Si
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Posted: Friday, October 19, 2018 - 05:50 AM UTC
One of the reasons I am following this thread on a regular basis is that I have grown tired of USN destroyers. There is only so much that you can do to a Fletcher, and I have reached a point where I believe I could put one together in my sleep, and all the fun of building is, at least temporarily, gone.

What I have done is turned my attention to the IJN, DKM, and RN DD's. AJM has a dealer in the States and offer four kits. I am tempted, and after I do Ashanti, I may go down that road. How do AJM products compare with Atlantic RN DD's. Slightly different era, but still in relatively the same time frame. They too have products that interest my greatly, but no dealer in the States seems to carry them, and the postage from the UK would add greatly to the cost. Still though if the quality of Atlantic is on par with what you say about AJM it may in the end be worth it to score some DD models that you do not see, and probably will never see, in plastic.
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Posted: Thursday, October 18, 2018 - 07:10 PM UTC

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Si,

I would say you got more than a bit into it yesterday. Very nice work, she is really shaping up nicely.

Mark



Thanks Mark,

Sometimes it happens, you just get properly into the zone on a build that has been a bit slowly - slowly.

I would like to see a bit more in British WW2 destroyers from AJM, they are well detailed, and apart from the replaced 20mm this will be pretty much OOB.

Thanks for looking in.

Cheers

Si
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Posted: Thursday, October 18, 2018 - 11:17 AM UTC
Si,

I would say you got more than a bit into it yesterday. Very nice work, she is really shaping up nicely.

Mark