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SteveAndrews
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Posted: Sunday, December 01, 2019 - 09:31 AM UTC
I spend a lot of my time with magnifying glasses on. They are - of course - great for detail work but lousy for peripheral vision. I blame them entirely for a clumsy swipe that sent the F-104 sliding across my desk, which in turn broke the front landing gear. Damn, damn and more damn. It seems like I have a crisis in every build. Last time I managed to split the windshield on a Mirage and spill glue all over the wing.

After a few moments of disbelief and then frustration I took a look at the damage. Luckily the part broke neatly and I can repair it. Iíll remove the piston between the upper and lower strut, drill out both parts and put a new piston in from plastic rod. Hopefully that will make a strong new link.

Al that happened just as I was feeling good about finalising the cockpit details and getting the windshield (carefully) glued in place. A little brush painting and weathering got the area ready. It was hard to figure out where the interior grey stops but in the end references helped and thereís a lip that makes the perfect line of demarcation.

Here is the progress and first stage repair (damn, damn and damn):











Happy modelling guys.
SteveAndrews
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Posted: Sunday, November 17, 2019 - 06:59 AM UTC
Cold, wet Sundays: I love Ďem. Mr Blue Sky isnít around to tempt me out, so the very best thing to do is get some serious work done on the F-104. Today that meant detailing up the cockpit edges and adding a few simple scratch built details inside the front of the canopy. There are some extras provided in the Eduard PE set but they are so thin and flimsy I opted for plastic card instead. I even managed to get some paint on. Crikey!

Here are pics and mood music.





https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMtarj8Ua0s
SteveAndrews
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Posted: Sunday, November 10, 2019 - 09:03 AM UTC
Thereís a story about a massive engineering project. The aim was to build a highway through a mountain. The best engineers with the best equipment were sent to do the task. Even so the start was slow as the team formed and they learnt about the equipment. But as the days went by progress became faster. Everyone got to know each other and their tools. Soon everything was working at peak efficiency and the team smashed all records for their work rate. Finally, after weeks of effort the big day came and they broke through to the other side of the mountain. The champagne was readied and everyone felt proud. But just as the corks were about to pop a lone voice was heard at the back of the crowd.

ĎWait!í He said. ĎThat was the wrong maintain.í

The moral of the story? Pride comes before fall, or maybe donít get so engrossed in a task that you lose sight of the big picture. Wish Iíd remembered that before I glued the nose on and forgot to weight it. Iíve been so focused on minute details that I forgot something basic. Luckily I managed to manoeuvre a big blob of white glue into the space behind the instrument panel and pour in Deluxe Miniatures Liquid Gravity. It seems to have done the trick.

Back at the detailing Iíve been adding PE parts to the fuselage around the electronic bays and also test fitting the front of the cockpit. Iím glad I did that before gluing the inside area with the HUD in place because the fit is very tight. I canít get everything aligned. Maybe itís my fault, but I think sanding the edges back a little and then repainting them will be needed. It might actually be the multiple layers of paint I put on in the first place that is causing the problem. Thereís PE to go in too, which will be a squeeze. The photo shows the interior stuck inside the canopy part. Itís not glued.

Slowly but surely weíre edging towards a finished kit. Maybe weíll be ready for paint by Christmas??





Happy modelling guys.
SteveAndrews
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Posted: Sunday, November 03, 2019 - 09:31 AM UTC
When I was a kid a film called ĎThe Land that Time Forgotí grabbed my attention. These days itís more a case of the detail that manufacturers forgot. I spent some happy and not-so-happy hours replicating the details inside the avionics bay lids, and Iím nearly done. I finally managed to find the right size drill bit to drill out the ends of the sidewinders too. Iíll make some clear seeker heads later. It all looks like this.





Oh, and that film

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d0K97czqecQ
SteveAndrews
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Posted: Sunday, November 03, 2019 - 09:30 AM UTC
Hi Magnus,

Oh my gawd. Two years? No wonder my stash keeps calling to me. I don't know about my best build ever but this is my longest.

Thanks for keeping me company. I'm happy you're enjoying it and learning as I am too.

Happy modelling,

Steve.
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Posted: Monday, October 14, 2019 - 08:16 PM UTC
Steve! Beautiful work, it is a bit like Brian's B-17: even if I never would have the stamina to pull through such a project there is lots of things both to learn and enjoy!

In a few days you're hitting two years with this build...





Magnus
SteveAndrews
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Posted: Monday, October 14, 2019 - 06:20 PM UTC
Hello Russ and other friends,

I moved apartments recently and it has kept me away from the bench, so sorry for the delay in replying and also the lack of updates. Luckily I moved without any damage to the kit so more updates are coming soon.

Russ, feel free to lurk :-). I do the same all over the place. I'm happy to share the adventure and really pleased you're enjoying it. My plan is to go for a natural metal finish. Originally that meant a USAF aircraft based at Da Nang in 1965 although recently I've been eyeing the Taiwanese decal sheet.

Before that there's more detailing on the way, and I have to figure out what to do about the nose weight I forgot to add. A quick test fit showed this kit might be a tail sitter, so any advice is gratefully received. I've already glued and filled the nose of course. Doh!

Thanks for looking in, and to all the fellow lurkers thanks also for the interest.

Have a great day,

Steve.
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Posted: Tuesday, September 17, 2019 - 01:57 PM UTC
Steve, it's certainly getting there-- I've been lurking from afar, since first commenting over a year ago now when you first thought about starting this model and were deciding which kit to use. I really enjoy your updates. Have you given any thought about a color scheme?
VR, Russ
SteveAndrews
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Posted: Tuesday, September 17, 2019 - 09:16 AM UTC
One of the (many) lessons this build is teaching me is the art of compromise. Thereís a limit to the amount of detail that I can reproduce using the tools and materials I have, and a limit to my patience, dexterity and eyesight. Put more simply, trying to scale down every detail is impossible - too many parts would need to be microscopically small and unusably delicate, and therefore beyond my ability to make or work with.

So what to do? Leave details out? Well thatís often Italeriís approach, and Iím trying to enhance the kit. Invest in a microscope and nano printers to get the dimensions exactly to scale? Thatís way beyond reasonable for me. My approach is to create, as far as I can, an impression of the real thing. For example - the tangle of wires inside the avionics bay lid. I made a tangle but each strand is over scale thickness and there are fewer in the bunch than on the real thing. The point is it communicates the desired shape; it saysí tangle of wiresí.

When practically applied, that diversion got me here. Not an exact scale replica of the real parts, but an improvement on the original I hope, and enough detail to sell the realism to people looking.

Oh, and one last thing. I think I can see why Eduard only offered two (not one as I said earlier) of the four sided lip. The original part is moulded with an irregular curve along one side, which I suspect is hard to reproduce in PE. It should be straight, but itís not.



Happy modelling guys.
SteveAndrews
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Posted: Sunday, September 08, 2019 - 03:01 AM UTC
With some big construction work done I decided to go back to the cockpit and electronics bay. Thereís a lot of photo etch to add around the edge of the cockpit but I wanted to get the inside of the hinged covers that close over the avionics bay done first. Eduardís photo etch set for these areas is a bit odd. Their choice of parts misses some obvious parts ideal for PE improvement and instead gives us unnecessary extras. For example thereís a lip that runs all the way around the bottom edge of the avionics bay door. Eduardís PE offers us just one side out of four. There are also brackets that scream out for PE, but nothing in the set. On the other hand we get crude warning plaques with very low resolution colour printing. I wonder why?

Whatís not up for dispute is the missing cabling. Thereís a nice bundle of twisted cables running from inside up into the roof area. I made these from thin metal wire and also added some details from plastic card and stretched sprue, including making new details for the forward part of the lid. Italeriís sloppy moulding was sanded off.

That seems like a lot of words for some fiddly details, but I hope that all these little changes will add up to an authentic looking Ďplane once Iím done.

Oh yes. Ejector pin marks. They were nicely stamped into awkward details. Thanks Italeri. I filled them will several coats of Mr Surfacer 500 and cut up little bits of sanding sponge to get them smoothed down. Felt good once they were gone - like getting rid of the flu.

Happy modelling guys.








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Posted: Friday, August 30, 2019 - 09:57 AM UTC
Steve,
Good luck with your first coat of paint. May your touch-ups be few.

Gaz
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Posted: Friday, August 30, 2019 - 03:10 AM UTC
Hi Gaz,

Yup it feels god to be back in the groove.

I hope all the sanding and filling I did before fitting those plates has covered any gaps and problems, but of course the first coat of primer will (gulp) tell all.

Happy modelling,

Steve.
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Posted: Wednesday, August 28, 2019 - 10:00 AM UTC
It's good to see some progress, Steve. If I remember correctly, the spine a difficult area to finish cleanly. Those PE plates help a bit.

Gaz
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Posted: Wednesday, August 28, 2019 - 06:30 AM UTC
Fixing big bits feels like big progress. It probably is a psychologic trick but what-the-heck. So, with great pleasure, a fair bit of fiddling around and some Mr Surfacer, the tail unit is now attached to the fuselage. That felt good so I set about the nose next, andÖ. Ugh! It has a surface texture like concrete. Sanding it out was mildly mediative and I also diverted into fixing the PE panels on top of the fuselage spine at one point. Feels like Iím motoring or maybe that should be flying now.







Happy modelling,

Steve.
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Posted: Sunday, August 11, 2019 - 06:01 AM UTC
I need to a new drill bit to make the holes for the sidewindersí seeker heads. So while I wait, I misbehaved and spent an afternoon with Rosie the Riveter. It was actually sort of meditative. I restored some rivets lost when I blended the intakes into the fuselage, and added them to the rear fuselage. Iíve spent a lot of time adding extra surface detail, and I hope it all survives painting. Hereís the best shot I could get, and a Rosie themed track to enjoy in tribute to the goddess of riveting.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MGemtjVtfZM

And hereís the real thing. As you can see Iím simplifying somewhat so I donít go crazy.

http://data3.primeportal.net/hangar/luc_colin3/f-104g_fx-47/images/f-104g_fx-47_11_of_39.jpg



Bye for now,

Steve.
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Posted: Friday, August 02, 2019 - 08:49 AM UTC
After a bit if a break for a holiday with the kids, work has continued slowly on the Sidewinders. Eduard provides some extra detail, including tiny little rollerons which I havenít fitted yet. Some simple scratch building restored details badly moulded on the kit part. Here are the missiles just needing those extras and a decision from me on how to approach modelling the absent seeker heads.

Have a great day guys.

GazzaS
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Posted: Thursday, July 18, 2019 - 09:28 PM UTC
Thanks mate! Always glad to help.

Gaz
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Posted: Wednesday, July 17, 2019 - 11:18 PM UTC
Hey Gaz

Wow, I like it. Nice Sidewinders by the way. Wait, does that sounds like a bad chat up line?

Anyhow, thanks for the intro to Five Second Fix. I'm off hunting.

Have a great day,

Steve.
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Posted: Tuesday, July 16, 2019 - 09:48 PM UTC
Steve,
It's main use was for quick dental repair. Squirt it on, hit it with UV light for 5 seconds, and it becomes a very hard, clear, file-able, and sand-able substance.

Then it started being sold in Germany under the name of Bondic. Now it is sold in various places, under the name Five Second Fix.

Here is what it looks like one my 104's sidewinders:




I'm sure with your attention to detail it should be awesome.

From my personal experience: The UV Adhesive is a great filler as long as it has a recess to fit into. It doesn't work so well for filing small, shallow depressions. It can come detached from shallow depressions while sanding.

Gaz
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Posted: Tuesday, July 16, 2019 - 04:49 AM UTC
Hey Gaz

No, but it sounds interesting. I was going to use some clear sprue sanded and polished to shape, but tell me more about the UV thingy please.

Happy modelling,

Steve.
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Posted: Monday, July 15, 2019 - 10:05 PM UTC
Hey Steve,
Do you have any of that UV light-hardened plastic stuff? It works great for making the seeker head.

Gaz
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Posted: Monday, July 15, 2019 - 09:00 AM UTC
Hi guys,

Thanks for the warm welcome back. I'm still at the controls after eyeing the eject handle for a while.

To ease myself back in I chose a simple job - building the sidewinders. Italeri's aren't bad but in keeping with the theme of the build I want to sharpen the details an add some photo etch. I started by sanding off most of the details and replacing them with scribed detail or strips of thin plastic sheet or metal foil. Here's progress so far. It's not much to see really, but it feels good to be posting again.

Thanks a million for the encouragement. I feel it, and really appreciate it. You guys are a good bunch.

Happy modelling,

Steve.




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Posted: Sunday, July 07, 2019 - 01:06 PM UTC
Glad to see this back Steve. I did wonder if you had hit the eject button as I agree complex builds can do that to you. I think sometimes it is useful to have a simple build on the side to allow for less energy while you recharge.

cheers

Michael
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Posted: Sunday, July 07, 2019 - 12:13 PM UTC
Steve,
Absolutely interested! Just today I was wondering what happened-- I thought to myself "Steve must be onto the paint by now, I wonder what he ended up doing about that?" And it must be deja vu-- because here you are! I'm looking forward to your continued work. Believe me, I know what it is to have a project "hang fire" for a while (my oldest "hung fire" project is going on 41 years now!--it's a a full rigged wood model ship).
VR, Russ
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Posted: Sunday, July 07, 2019 - 11:43 AM UTC
Steve,
Even this car guy is glad that your Mojo tank is full once again. Looking forward to your next update.

Joel