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Best Starfighter Ever?
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Posted: Monday, January 28, 2019 - 09:01 AM UTC
Thereís a coat of black primer drying on the undercarriage, and Mr Surfacer drying in gaps in the drop tanks. While they cure I decided to turn my attention to the wings. These are nicely moulded, fit well and join neatly to the fuselage. Hold on. Has this turned into a dream about a Tamiya kit?

It seems not, because there is one problem. The large inboard flaps are too short. They leave a gap between wing and flap. The simplest way to deal with this is to add a little material to the wing and push the flaps inwards. I just glued some plastic card in place, and tomorrow when the glue is dry Iíll carve and sand it to match the profile of the wing. There, back to reality.

And here is the photo reconnaissance.





Happy modelling guys.
SteveAndrews
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Posted: Monday, January 28, 2019 - 08:59 AM UTC
Hi Damian,

Yeah, I know the feeling. There's always something else to check out. I often have a build vlog or something playing away in the background while I build. Sometimes I miss the whole thing though, or get distracted and watch instead of building. Even so, today there is progress.

Have a great day,

Steve.
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Posted: Wednesday, January 23, 2019 - 02:27 AM UTC

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Steal away! Just about everything I'm doing here has been learnt from someone else or inspired by other guys, so I claim none of it as my own invention.



Steve, like you, I'm just a big sponge. The proliferation of forums and YouTubers and Facebook pages around our hobby gives us an endless stream of ideas and techniques. The problem is I tend to spend more hours browsing than building.

Self-discipline is something I need some serious work on

Cheers, D
SteveAndrews
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Posted: Tuesday, January 22, 2019 - 11:58 PM UTC
G'day Damien

Thanks very much. I reckon it's going to be an 18 month project by the time it is finished, maybe more.

Steal away! Just about everything I'm doing here has been learnt from someone else or inspired by other guys, so I claim none of it as my own invention.

You made me smile with your primer reference. It'll be aimed at the kit for sure... this time.

Thanks for looking in and have great fun with the cars,

Steve.
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Posted: Tuesday, January 22, 2019 - 11:53 PM UTC
Hi Joel

As always you are very kind. Its good to be chatting with you of course.

I think I might be in breach of site rules if you divert me onto the relative merits of our country's leaders, but there have been more glorious times in each country's history shall we say?

I just hope I don't need a post-Brexit visa to get through a hole in a wall to post here in future :-)

Have a great day,

Steve.
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Posted: Tuesday, January 22, 2019 - 11:11 AM UTC
G'day Steve.

I have just trolled through this thread for the first time in months and I've go to say this is a truly epic build. Like Joel, I'm going through a car modelling fetish at the moment after many years on WW2 aircraft, but the techniques used apply across the spectrum and I'm certainly going to be stealing some of yours!

Can't wait to see some primer going on . . . on your 104 . . . of course that's what I was meaning

Cheers, D
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Posted: Tuesday, January 22, 2019 - 10:43 AM UTC
Steve,
The wheel well, strut, and parts look fantastic. Can't wait to see them painted and installed.

As for the two fuel tanks, you really did some number on the fit to get it near perfect, yet all the raised detail wasn't touched.

As for Prime Minister Teresa May, I'll trade you President Donald Trump heads up

Joel
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Posted: Monday, January 21, 2019 - 09:46 AM UTC
It seems like ages since I last posted, but that doesnít mean the glue and sanders have been resting. All the details in the front wheel well are finished now. I had a little dilemma over the order in which to assemble and paint. In the end I decide on paint first simply because there are so many nooks and crannies deep in the wheel well. Cool, there is some airbrushing in my future.



As a break from all the small details I assembled the under-wing fuel tanks. In usual Italeri style there is pain and pleasure. The best bits are the nice shape and fine detail. The worst bit is the slight difference in size of each half, and the hard to align ports (not sure what to call them). Those shape differences leave filling and sanding work that needs to avoid both raised and recessed detail. All in all, it feels like an exam question for modellers.

I toyed with the idea of just sanding the bejesus out of the lot and replacing the lost detail. But, wellÖ itís such a rare thing to have fine detail on this kit that I just couldnít do it. Instead I worked around it. You can see some of the problem areas left after a first round of sanding and scraping below. Seems like there is a need to employ those fine fellows Fillit and Sanders to get a good result. Iím planning a natural metal finish so I wonít get away with too many lumps and bumps.





Why is it, that despite this kitís constant little niggles Iím enjoying it? I feel a bit like my dear Prime Minister Teresa May, in dogged pursuit of the almost unachievable but determined to see it through.

Happy modelling guys, and may your plastic be cooperative.
SteveAndrews
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Posted: Friday, January 04, 2019 - 08:21 PM UTC
Happy New Year, Joel!

Thanks very much. It might be a once in a lifetime experience to go this far. I really enjoy adding these details but boy does it make progress slow. I might need a better balance with my next kit but its onwards with this project.

Happy modelling,

Steve.
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Posted: Friday, January 04, 2019 - 01:54 AM UTC
Steve,
The start to the front wheel well certainly is to your usual high level of detailing.
Joel
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Posted: Wednesday, January 02, 2019 - 06:21 AM UTC
Happy 2019 everyone. I hope Santa was kind to you, and your New Year has started well. Iíve taken a week off and that means plenty of time to indulge my favourite hobby. As a result there has been good progress on the Starfighterís front wheel well. Eduard PE plus some scratch building has got all the details in.

Iím much happier with this look than I was with the limited and two dimensional kit parts. Iím thinking that the best approach to painting will be getting it done before I assemble and fit it, so thatís probably next, although Iím still wondering about how best to fit the front wheel with strength.

Hereís the progress:





Happy modelling. We have 363 days of it left to enjoy this year, that might just be enough to finish this project :-)
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Posted: Tuesday, December 25, 2018 - 09:50 PM UTC
Hey Joel,

Happy Christmas. I hope you are having a great time. I'll be a gentleman and not disclose the best primer option. :-)

Was Santa kind to you?

Happy holidays,

Steve.
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Posted: Wednesday, December 19, 2018 - 08:43 AM UTC
Steve,
That's a great start to the front well.

Your comparison to your ex-wife kind of took me by surprise, as would she have looked better with the primer on or primer off? Never quite heard it booth that way before.

Joel
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Posted: Wednesday, December 19, 2018 - 12:06 AM UTC
Thanks Gaz. I thought the same about my ex-wife once, but towards the end of our relationship I did wonder if she'd look better with a coat of primer on. Not sure what I am trying to say here so I'll shut up. :-)
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Posted: Tuesday, December 18, 2018 - 10:20 AM UTC
I think it looks quite nice, Steve.
SteveAndrews
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Posted: Tuesday, December 18, 2018 - 09:26 AM UTC
Integrity. Making promises that you keep. Living by a set of values. Some people say that those ideals are in short supply these days. I hope they are not. So, it is bloominí irritating to go back on my word. I said I wouldnít touch the roof of the front landing gear bay, but, wellÖ. in the process of making room for an ill fitting photo etch part I mangled the moulded on pipes. The path of least resistance was to sand down the lot and make a plan to scratch replacement details. At least the PE fits now. This is it before the PE. No pipes now.



Before making more work for myself I started replacing some details on the side walls. Hereís where I got to. Thereís quite a lot more to add.



And the front wheel strut is done. It looks a bit like a mongrel dog with the mix of scratch built parts, PE and kit parts. Itíll like primer Iím sure.





Happy modelling guys, and take care with those sharp tools, they cut just about anything you aim them at, and a fair few things you donít :-)
SteveAndrews
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Posted: Sunday, December 16, 2018 - 09:24 PM UTC
Hello Tim,

I'm happy to help, and if you spot anything I missed, please feel free to post here if you want to.

Good luck with your build. I hope its fun.

All the best,

Steve.
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Posted: Friday, December 14, 2018 - 07:22 AM UTC
Fantastic build to follow Andrew. I just started my TF and run into the same issues with the PE. Reading your report helps to correct my mistakes upfront!
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Posted: Wednesday, December 12, 2018 - 08:07 AM UTC

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Hello Joel,
I was wondering about you. I hope you are enjoying the car modelling and I'm very happy to have you looking in. If my posts help in some way then I'm even happier.
Have a great day,
Steve.



Steve,
Stop by any of my build blogs in the AutoModeler/car forum. I'd love to hear your thoughts on my builds.

Joel
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Posted: Wednesday, December 12, 2018 - 06:02 AM UTC
Hello Joel,
I was wondering about you. I hope you are enjoying the car modelling and I'm very happy to have you looking in. If my posts help in some way then I'm even happier.
Have a great day,
Steve.
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Posted: Tuesday, December 11, 2018 - 03:17 AM UTC
Steve,
While I'm a car modeler these days, I follow your builds religiously. I find your build blogs entertaining, and written in a easy to understand & follow style. As a huge bonus, your detailing and scratch building methods are exactly what this old timer can use in my detailing these days.

Joel
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Posted: Monday, December 10, 2018 - 11:50 PM UTC
Hi Matt and Michael,

Matt, my advice is give it a try, and keep the original part if you can, just in case. Oh, and be prepared for failure. I reckon at least half the parts I make are discarded and then re-made.

I know what you mean about the right size plastic. I invested in bunch of stuff to work on another project. Ironically I never started it, but the supplies have served me well for ages. Evergreen is the brand name to look for.

Michael, thanks very much, slowly but surely it will emerge. I hope!

Have a great day guys,

Steve.
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Posted: Monday, December 10, 2018 - 08:34 PM UTC
Nice work on the gun bay Steve! The Vulcan and Eduard etch have come together very nicely with your added touches. Looking forward to seeing the front wheel bay develop with your extras.

cheers
Michael
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Posted: Monday, December 10, 2018 - 02:18 PM UTC
Nice clean work, that's how it's done.

I really need to gather the nerve to scratch more parts than I do. I rely on paint far too often to bring out details that are soft on the kit parts.

I just never seem to have enough of the right sized styrene.
SteveAndrews
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Posted: Monday, December 10, 2018 - 09:38 AM UTC
The trick with scratch building - or so it seems to me - is to break everything down into simple forms, and work slowly and methodically. If ever youíve watched a youtube video showing how an illustrator draws a complex character from basic shapes youíll get what I mean.

With the basics of the front landing gear in place, it is time to start building up the details. The piece that holds the wheel has been salvaged from the kit part. I cut it from the rest of the leg, drilled right through and inserted the piston to get as much strength and alignment as I could before applying glue (extra thin) and cutting off the excess.



After 24 hours drying time I set about adding some home made locating points for the PE bracket, and also adding the bands circling the leg. Those parts are made from old wine bottle tops, and yes I have a lot of supplies. Thereís something satisfying about the crisp cleanness of these parts compared to the vague blobs in the kit. Oh, you can also see where I drilled through the leg to insert a cross-bar that will fix the leg in place. Unlike a lot of landing gear the F-104ís front leg doesnít touch the roof of the wheel well. It pivots on the cross-bar that attaches directly to each side-wall of the bay, dangling down like a capital letter íTí.

Who says our hobby isnít educational? :-)



Happy modelling guys.