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Best Starfighter Ever?
Cosimodo
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Posted: Wednesday, November 22, 2017 - 02:12 PM UTC
I agree with the others. The work on the seat is incredible. Looks like to your stick to plan! looking forward to the rest of the cockpit.

cheers

Michael
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Posted: Wednesday, November 22, 2017 - 01:23 PM UTC
Great work Steve!

Concerning cockpit images ... take this cool virtual cockpit tour:
http://www.nmusafvirtualtour.com/cockpits/CW_tour/CW-22.html

Keep up the great work.
Cheers
Walter
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Posted: Wednesday, November 22, 2017 - 12:48 PM UTC
Awesome work, Steve! The Starfighter is my all-time favorite jet. Never worked on any, just that it was my first semi-successful glue & paint airplane model! LOL
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Posted: Tuesday, November 21, 2017 - 04:42 PM UTC
Hi Joel and Gaz

Thanks very much. Kind words indeed. I'm throwing everything I have at this one so it feels good to see the progress so far. It's a lot of fun too, and I guess that's the point in the end.

Gaz, I might have something to contribute to the group build over on Armorama too, but that's another story.

See you here soon guys.

Steve

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Posted: Tuesday, November 21, 2017 - 04:06 AM UTC
Steve,
That seat it's definitely an improvement in the kits relatively nice parts. Truly the thinness puff pressed metal parts can only be poorly mimicked in styrene.

Excellent work!

Gaz
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Posted: Tuesday, November 21, 2017 - 02:37 AM UTC
Steve,
Thanks for asking. All is well at my end.

I'm literally speechless. The seat is just plain amazing

Your build is certainly going to be on a different level then just about all the F-104 builds I've seen in 1/32 scale.

Joel
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Posted: Tuesday, November 21, 2017 - 01:04 AM UTC
Hi guys

Fresh back from a few days in London I got stuck in to the ejector seat. A combination of the kit parts, Eduard photo etch and some scratch building got me here. Some of the PE is already coloured but I’m going to paint everything anyway, so this was all about assembly.



And here’s the ejector seat and cockpit tub side by side.



I still have lots to do in the tub but the seat is largely finished apart from the webbing and seat belts. It starts to feel like there's a busy cockpit emerging.

Happy modelling.

Steve
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Posted: Monday, November 06, 2017 - 03:02 AM UTC
Evening guys

Gaz, I think everyone is going to be too busy admiring their reflection in your amazing foil work to look elsewhere. The decalling seems a long way off to me right now.

Joel, thanks very much. This is where my Virgo side runs free and wild, well OK he gets his magnifying glasses and set square out :-)

Paul, thanks also. Ive been away a bit too so I didn't notice Joel's absence. Joel I hope everything is good in your world.

Rowan, that walk around is really great. Thanks a million for sharing it, and for looking in

More progress tomorrow I hope.

Bye for now.
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Posted: Sunday, November 05, 2017 - 09:35 PM UTC
Hi Steve

Fantastic work already as usual! This is going to be an inspiring build to follow.

I shot a Walkaround of a Starfighter in Athens many years ago. I'm afraid it wasn't possible to access the cockpit, but I managed to get some detail shots of the landing gear and wheel-wells etc. that might hopefully be of some use to you when you get to that stage.

All the best

Rowan
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Posted: Sunday, November 05, 2017 - 01:25 PM UTC
The bulkhead looks great Steve and will look even better and busier with paint i'm sure. It all looks incredibly neat !

On a separate note, Welcome back Joel... you have been missed
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Posted: Sunday, November 05, 2017 - 05:39 AM UTC
Steve,
The PE floor insert came out perfect. The box sure does look perfectly square. And the rear bulkhead detailing is more then busy enough to fool's one eye.

Joel
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Posted: Sunday, November 05, 2017 - 04:53 AM UTC
Steve,
That's some impressive added detail. Except for the pilot, I stayed OOB in order to maintain my sanity.

I've started applying the decals and imagine they will take quite some time. There are two large sheets, and one entire sheet is for the common insignia and stencils. I'm doing all kid them before I attach wings and vertical stabilizer for ease of access.

Keep up the good work, I really dig how well you do interior details.

Gaz
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Posted: Sunday, November 05, 2017 - 12:03 AM UTC
With the big hole in the cockpit floor dealt with, it was time to sand off the kit details from the instrument panels and prepare them for the photo etch replacement parts. That’s a straightforward job that I tackle with three sanding sticks - 320 grit, 600 grit and then finally 2000 grit, taking care to preserve the basic angles through lots of stopping and checking. The 2000 grit gets rid of the big scratches. You can go further of course but I wanted to keep some scoring so the self-adhesive photo etch has something to bite on later.

Finally with all the prep steps done I turned my attention to the rear bulkhead. Some time spent with plastic card, led and copper wire, Evergreen strip and a rummage through the spares box resulted in this:



I have to admit this isn’t an exact replica of the real aircraft. I couldn’t get really good references so I made the best impression based on the photos I got my hands on. This area won’t be a focal point of the kit once its done, so I settled for the best I could. My aim was to introduce some more convincing detail than the kit parts offered.

Here’s how it looks roughly held in place against the cockpit tub.



There's a bit more I can do, but you get the idea.

Have fun with your kits guys.

Steve.
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Posted: Sunday, November 05, 2017 - 12:00 AM UTC
Hey Joel

Yup, I reckon he has a small business venture there from the envious and awestruck like me.

In the meantime I've been playing with plastic...
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Posted: Wednesday, November 01, 2017 - 09:25 PM UTC

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Hi Joel

No problem at all. Gary's work is just lovely and everyone should take a look. I was messing about with some kitchen grade aluminium foil last night, and it made me realize how much skill there is in Gary's work.

Have a great day.

Steve



Steve,
That's the truth for sure. Foiling is an art/skill unto itself. One that I've never been able to get past a few flat surfaces. The concave and convex surfaces are much harder to do without wrinkles spoiling the look. Gary's put in a lot of time over the last few years learning and refining his foiling skills and techniques. If he didn't live in Australia, I'd sub contract my needed to work to him

Joel
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Posted: Wednesday, November 01, 2017 - 04:54 PM UTC
Hi Joel

No problem at all. Gary's work is just lovely and everyone should take a look. I was messing about with some kitchen grade aluminium foil last night, and it made me realize how much skill there is in Gary's work.

Have a great day.

Steve
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Posted: Wednesday, November 01, 2017 - 02:02 AM UTC
Steve,
Please forgive me for high jacking your build thread, but I followed your link to Gary's build on LSP, and read through his blog to date. My God, Gary has certainly become a master metal foiler. Simply outstanding.

But like you, all of my NMF work has been done to date with Alcad2s, and I'm really comfortable with the process. But comparing it to real Aluminum metal, side by side the Aluminum looks more like what it really is.

Joel
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Posted: Tuesday, October 31, 2017 - 05:25 PM UTC
By the way, Gary, the foil work on your F-104 is beautiful. If anyone else wants to take a look, go here:

http://forum.largescaleplanes.com/index.php?showtopic=68424&hl=starfighter

You keep tempting me you know, but I just bought some new NMF paints. Now, if you did a video tutorial... :-)
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Posted: Tuesday, October 31, 2017 - 05:15 PM UTC
Hi Paul

Yes, I reckon you're right, especially about the creativity part. A fun build and a satisfying model at the end are why I play this game. I hope you and the other guys (and maybe girls?)looking in are having fun too.
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Posted: Monday, October 30, 2017 - 05:55 PM UTC

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Rational? You decide.



It seems to me to be the most fun part when you put down the instructions and are surfing on the edge of what the kit's maker intended ! And then you need to untangle a mess of steps required so you don't shoot yourself in the foot later.
Creativity at its best form in this hobby
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Posted: Monday, October 30, 2017 - 05:12 PM UTC
Hello Gary, Matt and Michael

Its great to have you looking in. I hope to keep us all entertained.

Gary, please feel free to post some pics if you want to. I'm going to have a look at your build on LSP anyway. I know your foil technique will be spectacular.

Matt, thanks very much and welcome aboard.

Michael, yes looking at the kit I think you're right - it will build into a good looking model out of the box. I may have gone overboard a bit, but modelling is my only vice (at least that is what I say in public).

More soon, and have fun with your models. Oh, and Harvey, if you are reading this, I don't mean in that kind of way or that kind of model, even we are focusing on the 1960s here. It was never an excuse.
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Posted: Monday, October 30, 2017 - 11:47 AM UTC
Definitely going to follow this. I am keen to try one these Italeri 104s so I will ignore the excesses and see what I can glean for a straightforward build.

cheers

Michael
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Posted: Monday, October 30, 2017 - 07:04 AM UTC
Hello Steve,
Nice to see you building again. I'm foiling this very same kit over at Large Scale Planes. I won't pirate your thread with any photos, but I think you'll be pleased with the fit of most parts, and the engineering is OK.

The only bugbear I found was some of the trench like details on the dorsal and side areas.

I'll be sure to check for your updates.


Enjoy,

Gaz
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Posted: Monday, October 30, 2017 - 04:45 AM UTC
Oh wow, this is going to be spectacular. I'm along for the ride.

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Posted: Monday, October 30, 2017 - 02:40 AM UTC
Making models - like life in general - is full of decisions. One of the decisions we take when building a kit, especially when adding after market parts, is the extent to which we follow the manufacturers instructions. Now, you might be asking yourself why on earth a rational person would deviate from the carefully thought through steps provided in a kit. So, let me give you a little insight into how my brain thought about things. It started with…

I want to add more refined detail to the cockpit rear bulkhead…
…now, the detail will touch the cockpit sidewalls…
…so I’d better add the aftermarket photo etch to the sidewalls first to avoid fit problems with anything I scratch build…
…to do that I need to remove some of the original details…
…and there’s a big cutting job to do on the cockpit floor…
…which risks damaging any photo etch I add, so I’ll do that cutting job first…
…and I’d better add the PE parts to the cockpit floor so I can see if they have any impact on the other parts.

That fellow modellers is how I ended up making a big hole in the cockpit floor and adding the photo etch as a route to scratch building some detail on the rear bulkhead. Rational? You decide. This is what the hole looked like.



And how it looks now.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-JVnlB7Onk