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Dassault Mirage III/5BA Heller 1/72
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Posted: Friday, January 05, 2018 - 09:18 PM UTC
HI Thomas, sorry I've missed your topic up to now but I see that you've been doing some excellent scratch stuff in a tiny scale !

Stretching sprue is a technique I've never more than dabbled in but I'm considering using it more to get a better variety of thickness for tube and circle shapes.

Still amazed that this isn't 48th !
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Posted: Friday, January 05, 2018 - 08:44 PM UTC
Ladies n' Gents, here's a new update.

Took me really more time that I ever wanted. But finally I did the wheel wells as much as I can do (or as I wanted ).
Let's see how it looks after the first color coat ...


With the nose cone on, the intakes and the flaps glued in lowered position it is quite coming to shape. Nose needed some afterwork and putty (as most of the parts and joints) and the intakes still need sanding the seams.

Okay, the current state:






































Thanks for looking & have a good day

Thomas
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Posted: Friday, January 05, 2018 - 08:42 PM UTC
Joel, thanks a lot for your response!

Still not made a decision about the belts, so let's see.
I already recognized Steve Andrews' build and what he greatly did. Anyway thank you for the hints and tips and I hope you stay tuned although it's truly not your scale.

Thomas
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Posted: Tuesday, December 19, 2017 - 12:55 AM UTC

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Joel,
thank you very much indeed for your more than friendly comment!
It means a lot to me and turned out like a birthday present as it was exactly that day.

I can hardly imagine, that a skilled modeler like you can still be impressed by anything made of styrene.
On the other hand, it tells me that I’m not too bad in doing this extra work what I’ve never done before.
Since I have little time for modelling I almost use my recent builds for practice new techniques as well instead of trying out on any “trash-kit” aside. So it will keep my concentration high, otherwise all previous efforts will suffer.
For the belts: … mmmh, if I had AM belts I would use them – but do not have
The seat’s harness (what I saw in pics) is quite complex, so I think I can’t do it myself in a good scale manner.
Not sure if AM parts will be worth or give an extra upgrade to that old Heller kit.

Thomas



Thomas,
A happy belated birthday well wishes.

Thank you for that complement, but my modeling skills are nothing but average at best. the key to my modeling is to try and get to as near perfect with the basics as I can. That usually will cover up any goofs, admissions, or general screw ups, of which I'm no stranger to.

As far as seatbelts and Harnesses go. I've made them out of masking tape that I tape two pieces together so that it's sticky side to sticky side. I do make each section some what longer, so that I can bent and shape them for added interest. A drop of CCA or White glue will hold them firmly in place. Most jets used a 6 point built system with what looks like additional securing straps here and there. Use thinner pieces of tape for the pull straps, and you're ready to go. As for buckles and latches, some silver paint or very thing aluminum wire like .2mm or so will do nicely.

Steve Andrews did a video on how he makes belts out of Aluminum foil. Great video and a great technique. I'm going to give it a try on my next build.

The whole concept is to fool the viewers eye.

Joel
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Posted: Tuesday, December 19, 2017 - 12:35 AM UTC
Joel,
thank you very much indeed for your more than friendly comment!
It means a lot to me and turned out like a birthday present as it was exactly that day.

I can hardly imagine, that a skilled modeler like you can still be impressed by anything made of styrene.
On the other hand, it tells me that I’m not too bad in doing this extra work what I’ve never done before.
Since I have little time for modelling I almost use my recent builds for practice new techniques as well instead of trying out on any “trash-kit” aside. So it will keep my concentration high, otherwise all previous efforts will suffer.
For the belts: … mmmh, if I had AM belts I would use them – but do not have
The seat’s harness (what I saw in pics) is quite complex, so I think I can’t do it myself in a good scale manner.
Not sure if AM parts will be worth or give an extra upgrade to that old Heller kit.

Thomas
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Posted: Saturday, December 16, 2017 - 08:57 PM UTC
Thomas,
Just got a chance to read through your entire build, and to say that I'm impressed is putting it rather mildly. The amount of added detail to ah 1/72 scale kit is more then I thought possible. Your cockpit and seat really has kicked it up a few notches. just one question. You mentioned that you're not going to be making seatbelts and harnesses. Will you be using AM ones instead?

I'm also just as impressed with the level of detail added to the front and main wheel wells.

Joel
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Posted: Wednesday, December 13, 2017 - 11:47 PM UTC
Hi all! Thanks for peeking!
Sorry for a progress-delay - but life, you know.

Magnus: Thank you very much for your post and the link. That is awesome work and far from my abilities. Great work on a unique vehicle - really love that.

Had some bench time to mange the seams and gaps. Sanding, filling, rescribing etc...
I filled the bigger gap on the underside with a piece of sprue , than sanded and a bit of filler at the joints. For gaps without tension "Perfect Plastic Putty" works best for me.
So slowly it comes to shape.

Added also some more small stuff to the wheel wells. Still few to go.










Cheers, Thomas
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Posted: Thursday, November 30, 2017 - 01:19 AM UTC
Thomas! A few years ago, a friend of mine who is a very good modeller showed some of his tricks during a one-hour session at a modelling competition. Apart from commercially available photo-etch he mostly uses styrene for detailing. His ideas was that it is cheap, easy to carv and sculpt and easy to glue (something that metal of any kind is NOT!). And if you happen to break it during handling it is very easy to fix! So, you can't go wrong with the sprue and your work sure looks good!

Here's a link to one of his builds. It doesn't fly very well but it is both Swedish and interesting ! Note that it is actually nearly all-plastic!



Magnus
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Posted: Thursday, November 30, 2017 - 12:54 AM UTC
Hi guys! Here's just a quick stop over.

Thanks Oliver and alves for your support!

Please all of you keep in mind, that this build is more a practising object. The age of this kit is always present but I try out what is manageable and easy for me with the given parts and decided not to use copper wire or similar and handling with CA.
Even the most of the tiny stretched sprue I used so far are from the kit's sprues. Depending on it abilities. I think, best to glue together is the always the original kit's styrene. On the other hand, there's much difference comparing other company's styrene when it comes to forming, stretching or bending. So a lot of trial and error while assembling (and lots of "snip-of-the-tweezer" for a hungry carpet monster
)

Okay, back.
Wings are on, fitting is not too bad but gaps to be managed on the wing roots and fuselage connection on the underside..

Started also with some add-ons at the wheel wells..









appreciate your stopping by,

Thomas
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Posted: Saturday, November 25, 2017 - 06:00 AM UTC
It is inspiring to follow this assembling process.
Congratulations!
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Posted: Saturday, November 25, 2017 - 05:33 AM UTC

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Don't want to rescribe all the raised panel lines as it would be a disaster - so I just choose the longer ones and the ones that needed a touch up.



Hallo Thomas,

this is really an interesting aspect, to rescribe only a part of the panel lines. I never thought of this before, but it could work very well. Inspiring!

Oliver
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Posted: Thursday, November 23, 2017 - 10:51 PM UTC
Hello mates!
Thanks for still following

Here's just a small update. Before moving on with the wheel wells (won't do too much there) I had to check the Delta Wing connections and the fuselage since it will be the base of the wells.
While dry fitting I already recognized the gaps and steps
but after glueing, sanding and a bit of filler I'm o.k. with it.
Don't want to rescribe all the raised panel lines as it would be a disaster - so I just choose the longer ones and the ones that needed a touch up.

Finally a dry fit just snapped together - Wings/fuselage joints need later attention.










Thanks for looking,
Thomas
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Posted: Saturday, November 18, 2017 - 07:54 PM UTC

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Thomas! It's your lucky day today: the tanks seem to have been either dark green only or dark green with white on the lower surfaces (or a very light grey). Check your messages!



Magnus



Great! Very much appreciated - thanks again for that, Magnus!

Th mas
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Posted: Saturday, November 18, 2017 - 07:16 PM UTC
Thomas! It's your lucky day today: the tanks seem to have been either dark green only or dark green with white on the lower surfaces (or a very light grey). Check your messages!



Magnus
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Posted: Saturday, November 18, 2017 - 06:43 PM UTC
Hi there!
Well, actual I took a close look and try to enhance the plain wheel wells...
Still matching tiny parts , yet not much of any progress to show.


Thanks a lot Magnus, for the response!
Really no matter how long it takes as I know we all have our real life and I'm mainly busy too.
Very glad, you found a way to pass by and pushing me foreward. As for the tanks, I apologize my misleading term - and yes, thats what I would prefer. The Infos about the used sizes is very useful. Does it need different paint/camo?


Thank you Chris, for stopping by!
Those kits are far from modern standard but not bad at all. Good luck with your builds - showing a log here on Aeroscale would be fun...

Regards
Thomas
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Posted: Friday, November 17, 2017 - 04:59 PM UTC
Looks great mate, I also will follow your build as I am soon going retro and building the OLD Heller Ourougan and SAAB Tunnan.
nice work in the cockpit
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Posted: Friday, November 17, 2017 - 02:41 PM UTC
Thomas! Sorry for my tardiness in answering, I've had a quite busy week !

With pylons, do you mean the pylons or the tanks? If you're thinking about the tanks, both the 500 litre supersonic ones and the huge 1700 litre tanks were used on the BAs in Belgian service. The supersonic ones looks a lot better !

When it comes to the camo, a Mirage is the perfect object to practice on: a delta has very little stuff that can be broken off and is a lot easier to mask than a WWII fighter for instance where there is lots of stuff sticking out! And the Mirage is a real looker in that camo!

Keep up the good work!




Magnus
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Posted: Monday, November 13, 2017 - 12:24 AM UTC
Thomas, you're doing great, mate!
In art they call it horror vacui - fear if empty spaces.
I keep following this build with maximum interest.

Gabriel
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Posted: Saturday, November 11, 2017 - 02:01 PM UTC
Thank you very much, Magnus!
I especially appreciate your stop over

And I agree with the marking option. Not only the whole shape looks best to me (although the bigger pylons disturbed it a bit - so I prepared the small ones instead. Suggestions about that?)
Another reason is, I always wanted to try painting a 3-colour camo scheme. Awaiting quite a challenge in managing that.

Thomas
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Posted: Saturday, November 11, 2017 - 01:04 PM UTC
Thomas! That's some serious cockpit detailing, beautifully done! I remember those Heller kits with fondness but realise that they were pretty basic really !

Markings: may I suggest a Belgian one? That's what I would go for at least !



Magnus
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Posted: Saturday, November 11, 2017 - 11:53 AM UTC
Thanks a lot for your comments, Gary and Oliver - much appreciated!

Aside the fiddling work I touched up some of the smaller parts.
The nose cone needs a different antenna since the original doesn't look nice to me (see pic). So I'll go with a piece of streched sprue again.
Also rescribed the outer line of the wheel rim a bit as it wasn't well molded too and little flattend the tyres.




Thanks for stopping by, Thomas
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Posted: Friday, November 10, 2017 - 04:20 AM UTC
Thomas,
That is some great scratch building you're doing on a tiny kit.

Gaz
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Posted: Friday, November 10, 2017 - 03:20 AM UTC
Thomas:
Fantastic improvement of the cockpit area! I am really impressed and eagerly waiting for more!

Oliver
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Posted: Thursday, November 09, 2017 - 09:41 PM UTC
Hi all!

a small update ...






Thomas
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Posted: Tuesday, November 07, 2017 - 11:04 PM UTC
Hi Guys, thanks for passing by!

Thanks a lot for your kind words, Gabriel!
But when displaying it separately you wouldn't even recognise it is there.

So it went finally into the fuselage ...

Apart from some sink marks and seams/gaps to be managed and filled,the fit of the two halves is o.k.

Now there was a big empty space on the pit's front needing some add-on's. Again I used some stretched sprue and styrene parts to inmprove a bit.
It's nearly impossible to add much more since the clear parts are quite nice but a little thick. If the canopy had been competely trash, I wouldn't had done that plus detailing.














THomas