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Antilles
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Posted: Sunday, June 04, 2017 - 12:44 PM UTC
Thanks for the good idea with my misfitting cockpit. I will go the hard way and listen to Russ advice and cut the triangular floor plate smaller and sand the instrument panel and seats slightly smaller.

Russ, I have to agree about those interwar flying boats. These are real gems. The Wal is manufactured by Amodel as far as I know. The Huma kit is still very nice, but the plastic is rather soft. I will go for the mail plane, that was on the catapult-ship Westfalen. There are some great clips on You tube. I will post the link, when I find it.

Oliver
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Posted: Sunday, June 04, 2017 - 10:53 PM UTC

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I have a question re: the PBY folding tip float well. Was the well area painted chromate or the same color as the under surface of the a/c?

Bob



Hi Bob,
I found these pics in my literature:


Looks like it is the under surface color, but, I am no expert, so please check this!

Oliver
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Posted: Sunday, June 04, 2017 - 11:13 PM UTC
Oliver, thanks for your help it shows more than what I was able to find out.

Bob
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Posted: Monday, June 05, 2017 - 01:57 AM UTC
here is an idylic scene, for inspiration

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Bigrip74
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Posted: Monday, June 05, 2017 - 02:08 AM UTC
Nice photo Jonathan, Sikorsky S-42 and Saunders Roe?
Kevlar06
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Posted: Monday, June 05, 2017 - 02:23 AM UTC

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Nice photo Jonathan, Sikorsky S-42 and Saunders Roe?



Bob,
I'll "jump aboard" here-- that's the S42 and S23-- remember that article I referred you to on my CMR S-23 build? That's the plane. The S23 was actually built by Short. I saw Jonathan's 1/144 S42 on the vacform campaign web page-- what a dog that kit looks to be! I sure wish someone would release a state of the art injection kit of these big flying boats. I guess there's no money in it, although MiniCraft has committed now to the PBM Mariner series-- those are nice kits, but the civil market between the wars is sorely neglected-- and really that's the birth of long range civil transport.
VR, Russ
Bigrip74
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Posted: Monday, June 05, 2017 - 02:59 AM UTC
Russ, I took your tip re: a pencil and just drew lines on the PBY wing and will a/b them with a thin line of black before painting. I read on Aeroscale some time back about Liquitex and wanted to try it out.





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Posted: Monday, June 05, 2017 - 04:21 AM UTC
Looks good Bob. You have a nice hand at drafting.

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Posted: Monday, June 05, 2017 - 04:23 AM UTC

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Nice photo Jonathan, Sikorsky S-42 and Saunders Roe?



Bob,
I'll "jump aboard" here-- that's the S42 and S23-- remember that article I referred you to on my CMR S-23 build? That's the plane. The S23 was actually built by Short. I saw Jonathan's 1/144 S42 on the vacform campaign web page-- what a dog that kit looks to be! I sure wish someone would release a state of the art injection kit of these big flying boats. I guess there's no money in it, although MiniCraft has committed now to the PBM Mariner series-- those are nice kits, but the civil market between the wars is sorely neglected-- and really that's the birth of long range civil transport.
VR, Russ



that's the thing about vacuform kits. if you want a sikorsky flying boat model - this is all there is.
Bigrip74
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Posted: Monday, June 05, 2017 - 04:36 AM UTC
Jonathan, that is called tape and a #2 pencil, no talent at all.



Bob
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Posted: Monday, June 05, 2017 - 08:03 PM UTC
Bob,
I couldn't tell if the wing is primered yet, it doesn't look like it so it's not exactly the technique I use, as I usually lay down a coat of primer first. I also draw in the panel lines with a fine tip mechanical pencil on top of the paint finish using a flexible ruler. Paul Budzik has some great panel line engraving techniques on his website, including engraving panel lines into the paint. He also has a beautiful scratchbuilt PBY which is worth seeing-- I recommend his site and videos. He's used the engraving in paint technique on a Boeing 314 model too.
Here's the site: http://paulbudzik.com

VR, Russ
Bigrip74
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Posted: Monday, June 05, 2017 - 08:36 PM UTC
Russ, nice link of tips. It was too detailed for what I will do on the PBY and have settled on some post shading instead to represent the lines or at least where they would possibly be.
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Posted: Monday, June 05, 2017 - 09:23 PM UTC
I really want to join but not certain if I will have the time. I may just to be apart of things even if I don't finish, if that's okay with people.

The 2 I'm thinking of are:


or



What do the campaign participants think?
Bigrip74
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Posted: Monday, June 05, 2017 - 10:05 PM UTC
They are both great subjects and I personally would like to see the Emily.

Bob
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Posted: Monday, June 05, 2017 - 11:59 PM UTC
Yes, do the Emily! Is this the new tool one?
Bigrip74
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Posted: Tuesday, June 06, 2017 - 07:10 AM UTC
I am going to try a couple of different things, Masking film and a spray technique that I just saw on a video that will use the black panel lines on the PBY.


Kevlar06
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Posted: Tuesday, June 06, 2017 - 08:30 PM UTC
Bob,
I'm trying to place that Revell kit-- is it the old 1970s kit or something newer? You know it looks pretty good for an old kit if it's the 70s version-- how are the engines? I'm going to need to look for some engines for my P2Y in the upcoming (I hope) Vac campaign-- and if the engines and props are OK in this kit, I might consider picking up one or two from these-- yours looks pretty good!
VR, Russ
Antilles
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Posted: Tuesday, June 06, 2017 - 09:28 PM UTC
Bob: Great progress on Your Catalina! Looks good!

Frederick: As I am in with another Dornier bird, I would like to see the DO-X built!

Going the hard way worked well on my wal. Cockpit is now enclosed and the hatch to the radio compartment can still be reached!




Oliver
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Posted: Tuesday, June 06, 2017 - 10:56 PM UTC

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Bob,
I'm trying to place that Revell kit-- is it the old 1970s kit or something newer? You know it looks pretty good for an old kit if it's the 70s version-- how are the engines? I'm going to need to look for some engines for my P2Y in the upcoming (I hope) Vac campaign-- and if the engines and props are OK in this kit, I might consider picking up one or two from these-- yours looks pretty good!
VR, Russ



Russ, I will take some photos of the engine and props for you. The instructions state that the copyright is 1971.

Bob
Bigrip74
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Posted: Tuesday, June 06, 2017 - 10:58 PM UTC
Oliver, your Dornier is looking good. I like the cockpit and the fuselage came together well. What was your process that you call the "long way"?

Bob
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Posted: Tuesday, June 06, 2017 - 11:18 PM UTC

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Bob,
I'm trying to place that Revell kit-- is it the old 1970s kit or something newer? You know it looks pretty good for an old kit if it's the 70s version-- how are the engines? I'm going to need to look for some engines for my P2Y in the upcoming (I hope) Vac campaign-- and if the engines and props are OK in this kit, I might consider picking up one or two from these-- yours looks pretty good!
VR, Russ



Russ, I will take some photos of the engine and props for you. The instructions state that the copyright is 1971.
Bob



Bob, thanks buddy that would be great! I thought that looked like the old kit-- Acedemy makes a pretty nice kit (actually they make several versoins of the Catalina) with engraved panel lines and divots for rivets , but that old Revell kit looks pretty nice, nad I bet the price point is much lower-- you're doing great work on the kit-- just goes to show what can be done with older kits if you're willing to do the work.
VR, Russ
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Posted: Tuesday, June 06, 2017 - 11:22 PM UTC

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Bob: Great progress on Your Catalina! Looks good!

Frederick: As I am in with another Dornier bird, I would like to see the DO-X built!

Going the hard way worked well on my wal. Cockpit is now enclosed and the hatch to the radio compartment can still be reached!


T

Oliver



Oliver, the Wal looks great, and that radio operator's door will look good through the open cockpit now-- The Amodel kit is a little different from the Huma kit, which is a later version of the Wal I think. I know both are very hard to find. Will you be building a catapult from the Westphalia to display it on? That would be a neat model.
VR, Russ
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Posted: Tuesday, June 06, 2017 - 11:38 PM UTC
Russ, here are the photos I hope they are of help. The engines were already installed:



Kevlar06
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Posted: Wednesday, June 07, 2017 - 03:48 AM UTC
Bob, thanks for the photos, those engines look like they might do for a P2Y, cowlings too, maybe even the nacelles! I guess we should have some rules on the Vac-form campaign about how much of a model is vacced huh?? How much was the PBY kit and where did you get it?

VR, Russ
Antilles
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Posted: Friday, June 09, 2017 - 03:13 AM UTC

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Oliver, your Dornier is looking good. I like the cockpit and the fuselage came together well. What was your process that you call the "long way"?

Bob



Hello Bob,
the long way was to grind the interior walls to make them more hollow as trimming the triangular floor plate created not enough room. But now, it fits !

Russ,
building a catapult would be a very cool scene. But, a scene in the natural element, water, would be cool one, too! I am in two minds about this.
As promised, here the link to the Youtube clip:

https://youtu.be/8ab7gQt8pqc

By the way, coming closer to the paint shop, I wonder: what were the typical colors of the mail flying boat of the Lufthansa. The instruction says RLM02 gray for the upper structures and RLM01 silver for the bottom. But, on several pictures the bottom appears to be black and the upper surfaces look in a silvering tone. So, what is correct ?

Oliver