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KittyHawk F2H-2 Banshee build
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Posted: Saturday, December 03, 2016 - 09:01 AM UTC

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Sorry Brian, only just spotted this.
It didn't even make it out of the box for the Telford show, so the only place it has been seen is here .
I might even buy another one if I see it dirt cheap, and do the gun version.
Andy



I was thinking of buying a couple of these to make both versions (someday, maybe, perhaps) until I got into this build you put together. I thought you did a really good job on a badly engineered kit.

By far the worst, an unfixable element in it is the extended hump in the engine nacelle where it joins the fuselage, but I also duly noted some of the gaps in the wings, the errors in the nose bay, and the inaccurate nose wheel strut. Still, except for the ancient Hawk kit it's the only game in town, other than Collectaire (sp?) which I would recommend to no one.

The one thing that surprised me in your build, and this is not a criticism, was the tint of the blue paint in the pictures. I've always understood this dark navy blue to be almost black, or at least much darker.

Anyway, I enjoyed the build and thought that the final product looked good given what you had to work with. The pictures of the real thing were really impressive too.

If you build another one, I'll definitely follow along!
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Posted: Friday, December 02, 2016 - 02:33 AM UTC

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What happened!? Did you trash it in frustration?



Never mind. Saw this: "P.S Kit is now in the bin as it didn't survive the journey to Telford Scale Model World, both wings fell off, and I really couldn't be bothered to fix it."

It'll live forever here on the net.


Sorry Brian, only just spotted this.
It didn't even make it out of the box for the Telford show, so the only place it has been seen is here .
I might even buy another one if I see it dirt cheap, and do the gun version.
Andy
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Posted: Friday, December 02, 2016 - 12:48 AM UTC

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What happened!? Did you trash it in frustration?



Never mind. Saw this: "P.S Kit is now in the bin as it didn't survive the journey to Telford Scale Model World, both wings fell off, and I really couldn't be bothered to fix it."

It'll live forever here on the net.
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Posted: Thursday, December 01, 2016 - 03:39 AM UTC
What happened!? Did you trash it in frustration?
betheyn
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Posted: Monday, November 21, 2016 - 10:47 PM UTC
Thanks for the kind words guys, the kit could have been so good, but it was a let down in the end.
I probably could have salvaged the kit, but I would have had to strip down the wing, refill the join and repaint it, as well as re-align the other wing, but in the end it was to much trouble, and I have better things to do .
Andy
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Posted: Monday, November 21, 2016 - 10:14 PM UTC
Andy,
I somehow missed your binning of the Banshee. Sorry it didn't make the journey.

As I said before, you did a great job on a kit that just plain didn't measure up to today's standards, which is entirely Kitty Hawk's issue not yours.

Joel
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Posted: Monday, November 21, 2016 - 01:30 AM UTC
That's a shame to read of the demise of your Banshee after all that effort Andy. Nicely done anyway and thanks for an entertaining build log
tim
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Posted: Tuesday, November 15, 2016 - 11:39 PM UTC
Andy,
Nicely done, and congrats on crossing the finish line.
Joel
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Posted: Tuesday, November 15, 2016 - 06:08 PM UTC
Thanks guys.
Finished pics.





One last inaccuracy by Kitty Hawk is the position of the nose wheel, wrong angle and too far back compared to the real aircraft.

Decals are for this aircraft of an F2H-2P of VMJ-1 in Korea.


So how do you sum up a kit that has numerous inaccuracies and a few fit problems.
Well its a nice kit of the Banshee as long as you don't put it next to any photos of the real aircraft, has some good options and some nice decal schemes in the box.
A nice kit that could have been a world beater, but failed due to poor research.
Andy
P.S Kit is now in the bin as it didn't survive the journey to Telford Scale Model World, both wings fell off, and I really couldn't be bothered to fix it.
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Posted: Thursday, November 10, 2016 - 01:44 AM UTC
Accuracy aside, you are doing a fine job with the construction and painting Andy.
tim
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Posted: Sunday, November 06, 2016 - 08:31 PM UTC
Brian,
I have KH's Cougar, it's just a horrendous kit. Each Fuselage half is comprised of 4 sections which makes for major alignment issues. There are other issues as well that I honestly didn't care to deal with for the time being, so that's as far as I got. A real disappointment.

I've been sitting on the fence about their 1/32 scale Kingfisher, and the reviews from a few trusted builders are as I feared. Over engineered, fiddly fit, especially the engine and engine mount. Still, I've got to eventually have one.

Their F-101 Voodoos both have part alignment issues, details that they copied from the old Monogram kit rather then taking a look at the real aircraft such as starboard side vents, and the list goes on. With a lot of extra work a decent F-101 can be built.

As I alluded to before, Kitty Hawk seems to prefer quantity over quality. If they cut back on the number of new kits, and put more time, effort,and funds in their R&D, the kits would be sure winners. But they rather look to maximize their bottom line with offering of dubious quality.

Joel
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Posted: Sunday, November 06, 2016 - 02:23 AM UTC
This one seems to be the worst for major shape errors. Their other kits are all pretty much good; any inaccuracies can easily be corrected without major surgery.
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Posted: Saturday, November 05, 2016 - 06:22 PM UTC
Looking at this kit so far I have to say that it'a a real dog's breakfast. It "resembles" the real thing but there are so many details that are wrong -- flaps, nose gear, canopy opening device, gaps in wings at lower fuselage join, and at the bottom of wing folds, no gunsight, and that humpback engine nacelle, etc. etc. -- that to me it's already in the "more trouble than it's worth" category.

In short, I think you're doing the best job you can with a very flawed product. I thought I had ordered two of these, but no: thank goodness!

Are all their kits this messed up?
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Posted: Saturday, November 05, 2016 - 04:44 PM UTC
Well its painted.
The blue was Humbrol's Midnight Blue from a rattle can. The silver was Model Air Silver. Red was Tamiya XF-7 Red.
It has now been Gloss coated ready for the decals.

Andy
P.S As you can see the tail pitot tube has been knocked off.
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Posted: Saturday, November 05, 2016 - 04:41 PM UTC

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It looks as if it wouldn't be terribly difficult to build those canopy levers. They're not a complicated shape. Doing the tracks inside the cockpit might be a trifle more challenging.


The arms would be easy but as you state the runners with the rollers would be awkward and would need pre planning and careful thought when building the cockpit.
Hopefully some A.M company will endeavour to address the problem.
Andy
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Posted: Saturday, November 05, 2016 - 04:10 AM UTC
It looks as if it wouldn't be terribly difficult to build those canopy levers. They're not a complicated shape. Doing the tracks inside the cockpit might be a trifle more challenging.
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Posted: Saturday, November 05, 2016 - 03:06 AM UTC
Last part of the build before I start painting.
The kit comes with some nice Photo etch speed brakes for the wings, which I will fit after painting and decaling.

The tail planes are on and fit well. None of the surfaces are moveable.

The canopy is crystal clear, but it doesn't actually show the canopy in the open position in the instructions.
The canopy will need a lot of work to show it open as KH doesn't include the mechanism that lifts the canopy off the fuselage.
There is also a few bits missing and oversized on the rear decking (as highlighted in Tommy's blog).


Andy
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Posted: Friday, November 04, 2016 - 02:32 PM UTC

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Andy,
The fit of the outer wings once again adds another major issue to this already very disappointing release by Kitty Hawk. As you said, it's clearly the intention to have the wings in a folded position, then why offer the choice half heartedly?

Did you opt to fill those seems with some homemade plastic goop? You've once again managed to over come another glaring issue. One question, are you planning on trying to fill in the gap inside the wheel wells?

Joel


The join is a pain but not too difficult to fix, one way to avoid it would be to glue the top half of the wing to the inner wing then glue the bottom half to the lower inner wing (if you can work that sentence out lol).
The "goop" is Vallejo plastic filler, which isn't bad and dries quite quickly.
The join in the bay won't really need fixing as the large wheel bay door covers it, as it stays closed when not in use. The only time that bit opens is when the undercarriage is in the process of being lowered and raised.
Andy
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Posted: Friday, November 04, 2016 - 02:27 PM UTC

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Well, rats. I just noticed another Kitty Hawk error that is in the gun bay. They misinterpreted a photo and in effect added a third ammo can as a "block" on the aft bulkhead of the bay. See today's update here: http://tailspintopics.blogspot.com/2016/09/kitty-hawk-148-f2h-22p-banshee.html

This post also includes illustrations of the gun sight needed for the fighter version.


Hi Tommy,
Good spot, I didn't notice that, but I was really looking at any inaccuracies as you technically cant use the gun nose out of the box.
It does seem strange that KH would add that block in there when no photos show it. Also it means the two ammo boxes have been moved forward as well to incorporate the third box.
Andy
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Posted: Wednesday, November 02, 2016 - 11:22 PM UTC
Andy,
The fit of the outer wings once again adds another major issue to this already very disappointing release by Kitty Hawk. As you said, it's clearly the intention to have the wings in a folded position, then why offer the choice half heartedly?

Did you opt to fill those seems with some homemade plastic goop? You've once again managed to over come another glaring issue. One question, are you planning on trying to fill in the gap inside the wheel wells?

Joel
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Posted: Wednesday, November 02, 2016 - 08:09 PM UTC
Well, rats. I just noticed another Kitty Hawk error that is in the gun bay. They misinterpreted a photo and in effect added a third ammo can as a "block" on the aft bulkhead of the bay. See today's update here: http://tailspintopics.blogspot.com/2016/09/kitty-hawk-148-f2h-22p-banshee.html

This post also includes illustrations of the gun sight needed for the fighter version.
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Posted: Wednesday, November 02, 2016 - 04:56 PM UTC
Well onwards and upwards.
The outer wing sections are on, well one of them as I intend to build one wing folded.
As you can see the top fits quite well but the underside of the wing has a pretty large gap that will need filling, no doubt this is due to the kit having the wing being able to fold.



The wing tip tanks are made up of two parts each and slot straight onto the wing tip. The fit is very good, and at the correct angle. The tanks were fitted off center, so more of the tank is underneath then above the wings centerline.
If modelling the photo recon version, the pylon holes will need filling as no external stores were carried (even though the instructions don't mention that).
More soon as I am nearing the end of the build, and should start painting soon.
Andy
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Posted: Sunday, October 30, 2016 - 11:32 PM UTC
Andy,
Unfortunately, it doesn't surprise me that the gun site is missing.
Joel
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Posted: Sunday, October 30, 2016 - 01:06 PM UTC
Ok now we will see why you can't really build the gun variant out of the box.
This is the instrument panel for the kit, which is for the P variant, as it doesn't have the gun sight above it but the viewfinder.
No gun sight is supplied, but the panel is quite true too life concerning the dials and switches.

F2H-2P variant panel.

F2H-2 variant.

Andy
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Posted: Sunday, October 30, 2016 - 12:59 PM UTC

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Andy,
Your efforts are certainly up to the task of turning this poor offering into a decent replica.

The top side of the inner wing to the fuselage does indeed create a seamless joint, but as you said the intakes are completely miss shaped, and the joining fairing is way out of scale, Absurdly so. Then there is that horrendous lower wing/fuselage joint. fixable with sheet, but in my book for a so called new state of the art kit, it's just unacceptable.

Perhaps Kitty Hawk should scake back on the number of new releases in both 1/48 and 1/32 scales, and apply those allotted funds to higher Quality Standards, as so many of their releases have major issues.

Since the release of their 1/32 scale OS2U Kingfisher, I've yet to buy one due to the many issues that need to be addressed. Their 1/48 scale F9F-8/P Cougar was yet another major disappointment.

Joel


Hi Joel,
Thanks, I'm trying with this kit, to be honest most of the parts fit quite well but that underside wing joint did really throw me, I actually went back and looked at the instructions too see if I missed a part.
Looking at some pics the engine nacelle/wing root looks more like the FH-1 Phantom (really wish someone would produce a new tool in 1/48th)as the hump is quite pronounced on the Phantom.
I have their Cougar sitting in the stash waiting for me too some up the courage to build it, after the horror stories I read concerning the build.
Andy