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Posted: Sunday, September 18, 2016 - 07:22 PM UTC

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I replace DS-tracks whenever possible (aversion, don't trust them not to break, think single link tracks look better).



Exactly!

Sherman tracks usually look pretty good in DS - at least the ones I've got - but...

I'm not sure if DS is suitable for wider tracks because it's too flexible, but I *was* thinking of trying it in a $20 Tiger kit I procured, but...

Who wants to build a model and risk the tracks breaking? That happened with my Tamiya Centaur CS and I had to replace them with Modelkastens a year later. Luckily on that model the tracks were easy to get to, but I don't like to have to go back and fix like that.

Anyway, there's really nothing like tracks that are put together like actual tracks to look like actual tracks!
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Posted: Sunday, September 18, 2016 - 07:51 PM UTC
Hi Robin,
The tracks in my kit are identical to the photos Roy pointed you to. Mine are not warped or damaged they are just lousy.
After buying the recent Sherman III's by Dragon, which have excellent tracks with good depth of detail, I had every reason to expect a good job on the CDP tracks.
Compare the photos of the Dragon tracks to the Panda or Frui, examples, in particular I would draw your attention to the centre section and the lack of effort there.
CDP links are similar to the links found on a Tiger, the teeth are quite deep. The Dragon tracks represent this depth with a couple of shallow lines that looked like stretched sprue.
Comparing that effort to the very nice job done on the I Block, the T-62 and T-51, the CDP tracks do not measure up.
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Posted: Sunday, September 18, 2016 - 08:03 PM UTC
This might be a stupid suggestion, but Dragon's Pz lll/lV tracks look much better than the CDP tracks - and look similar. Can these be substituted for the CDP track?
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Posted: Sunday, September 18, 2016 - 09:25 PM UTC

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Gord: I applaud you for your efforts to keep up the hobby at your store despite your core customers' non-interest.


Hi Roy and Thanks.
I appreciate your support. I am not sure why the tiny minds take my comments so personally.
I do own a hobby-ish store in a small town and I am concerned about the health of the hobby in Canada. Not sure why the retromingents and wethers are so offended. I can trade insults with equal facility (the slow witted can look up the words in my previous sentence). But would prefer to stick to substantive discussion.
Model sales are pretty much irrelevant in my store. Sadly, I haven't sold a new armour kit in over a year. In that time 3 new car kits and around 20 of thos little Airfix 1/72nd scale gems. The bottom line is always price.
Used sales are fine as long as I can keep finding interesting and inexpensive items.
I have brought in and opened Mirror Models kits (Otter and C-15a), AFV Club Churchills, M10's, Tamiya Greyhounds Cromwells, M10 as examples. The response is always "Very nice, How much?" and then the eyes glaze over and the customer buys another pack of Pokemon or Magic or Vanguard or ... New kits usually end up in my "to do" pile. Hell, I brought in the AFV Club Dieppe Churchill which should be a lock for sales in a Canadian town full of veterans. I was pretty shocked by the wholesale price. I have been showing the kit to any customer who will stand still long enough. You can actually hear the air whistle out their ears when they see the suggested retail price. I have offered deep discounts, 30%) to good customers) and still no interest. I will keep it for myself.
I have endured some quite ignorant comments on here about my prices. One idiot suggested he could get the CDP Sexton for $50CDN. Horsehockey!
A quick look at ebay shows the average price for a CDP Sexton is at a rough average of $45US plus $15 shipping (the one offered at 39 has a $22US shipping tag. Lets say an average total of $60US. XE Currency converter makes that $80CDN and you could get tagged for duty and the glorious Canada Post $5 handling fee. Add $30US for a decent set of tracks and I think anyone can see the problem (the non CDP version runs about 10 bucks cheaper but I bet the tracks are perfectly useable). If I had known I would be ordering proper tracks anyway I would have saved myself the 10 bucks.
My kit sales come from collections I have bought or items picked up at shows, thrift stores etc. Customers are happy to give up the joys of the "New Kit Smell" in favour of half price (or better), and if I get stuff really cheap I give it away to kids, hoping they catch the bug.
I keep model kits on my shelves because I love the hobby and believe that this is a great hobby for kids and adults (anything to get them off their computers). I actually should be filling my shelves with Pokemon card singles and toys as they actually sell.
I am only recently returned to model building after a 20 year hiatus spent slot car racing, war gaming and monster painting.
Currently on my building table are the Tamiya Greyhound, Italeri C15 Truck (ex Peerless Max) an ARV MkI an AbomniRat (whiskers just added) and a Frankenstein re-build. You know what? The monsters and fantasy figs sell because they are decent value and hours of fun. Models are so much more expensive that they don't have anywhere near the same perceived value.
I'd like to grow the hobby, I don't need to carry models. They are becoming an expensive luxury in a shrinking economy.
Gordon Parker
Thanks again Roy and others with helpful and informative comments!
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Posted: Sunday, September 18, 2016 - 09:28 PM UTC

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You for one. As a hobby shop owner you might want to consider whether you represent your customer base well. For most, even the ardent Canadian nationalists, the track detailing in and of itself won't be an issue.KL



You sir are kind of an ass.
I have seen your rude and high handed posts numerous times on this board and so thanks again Kurt, but no thanks.
And so to continue to the discourse hopefully without any more contributions from Mr KL ...
It is exactly because I am thinking about my customers that I am angry about prices and fidelity of detail.
I work very hard and put in long hours to do my absolute best for all my customers. In the case of the CDP version of the Sexton there was interest so I brought one in to check it out and I won't be reccommending it without a warning.
Gordon Parker



Yes, how DARE I point out that for most modelers "Does it look like an X at arm's length?" is the acceptance criteria for accuracy. What an unheard of level of savagery and vulgarity!

KL
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Posted: Sunday, September 18, 2016 - 09:28 PM UTC
Interesting suggestion I will check them out tomorrow when I am back in the store and let you know. I can always add lots of mud.
Being helpful is never stupid.

Thanks Biggles

Gord
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Posted: Sunday, September 18, 2016 - 09:29 PM UTC
I have been advised by the editor to put your remarks on ignore. You can go back to playing with your self. I am no longer listening.
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Posted: Sunday, September 18, 2016 - 10:06 PM UTC

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I have endured some quite ignorant comments on here about my prices. One idiot suggested he could get the CDP Sexton for $50CDN. Horsehockey!



Nice attitude, surprised you are still in business. I think if anyone looks at this thread, you were the first and only one to be throwing insults. I don't know how you do business in BC, but that is not how it is done in Ontario.

As for $50 from the "idiiot" Check out the link provided from an Ontario, Canada hobby business.

http://thinkhobbies.com/914-dragon-models-6793.html

Thanks for letting people know with what they are dealing with if they had to visit your store. I, for one, will never be visiting your store.


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I have been advised by the editor to put your remarks on ignore. You can go back to playing with your self. I am no longer listening.



And that is completely uncalled for, and completely unprofessional for a business owner.
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Posted: Sunday, September 18, 2016 - 11:23 PM UTC

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This might be a stupid suggestion, but Dragon's Pz lll/lV tracks look much better than the CDP tracks - and look similar. Can these be substituted for the CDP track?



Nope. Doesn't work. Pz III/IV-tracks have a single guide tooth in the middle while the CDP track has the guide teeth at the edges of the track links.
/ Robin
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Posted: Sunday, September 18, 2016 - 11:52 PM UTC
Thanks Kevin,
nice to take pot shots when you are thousands of miles away. but thanks for all your help and best wishes Kevin.
I began this thread because I wasn't happy about the parts for an expensive model. I thought people should know what they are getting for their money. Your advice was that I should have known better. Not exactly helpful.
I complain about the high wholesale prices you tell me that I need new wholesale sources but offer no suggestions. Again, not particularly helpful.
You then infer that I am gouging my customers and now insult my business.
What a guy.
I am trying to bring the hobby back, arrogance and high prices will kill it. People parting with their hard earned cash don't want to HAVE to purchase expensive aftermarket kits to correct expensive kit flaws.
You don't know me and know less about my business. You want to get into a flame war from the safety of a few thousand miles. good for you.
I post here to share information, offer fair comment, subjective opinion and to learn.
Some guys get it.
Asshats don't. If you feel insulted by that then I guess you don't get it.
Gordon
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Posted: Sunday, September 18, 2016 - 11:54 PM UTC
Thanks Robin, good to know. So I guess it's lots of extra mud on the tracks or an aftermarket set.
Gord
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Posted: Monday, September 19, 2016 - 01:17 AM UTC
Gordon

If you go back and read, suggestions were provided with advice. Unfortunately, you did not get the jest of the "buy Dragon" comment. But as inferred many times, modelers are more knowledged today, and know what they are buying, thus it was hard to understand you original complaint and not having knowledge about DS track.

As for "insulting" your business, I don't believe I did, and I was just pointing out the differences in prices. As a store owner, I would think you would be more informed on distributors, and I am sorry you are not. I am a HUGE supporter of local hobby stores, especially when they are doing what they can to compete with online vendors. I am lucky in that I have a local hobby store with a VERY informed owner, and he is able to keep his prices competitive and when he can't, he will not stock the item.

You can take this thread anyway you want, but it is you, I think that missed the point. And as a store owner, you have shown your knowledge and opinions of customers throughout your comments in this thread.
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Posted: Monday, September 19, 2016 - 03:07 AM UTC

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So I saved my nickels (pennies are now obsolete in Canada) and bought the DML Sexton with CDP track.
I was really looking forward to this kit as the Sexton is one of my favourite AFV's and a version with the unique Canadian Dry Pin track system was just money for jam. Yum Yum!
Talk about disappointment! The vinyl CDP track looks like crap and may be the worst vinyl's I have seen since some bad Bandai reboxings.
What utter garbage!
To be honest I am feeling quite bitter about a $100+ kit with un-unuseable track.
So be warned and be cranky!
Gord



I bought this kit as well, nothing wrong with the tracks. In my opinion.You have options for replacement.
Grizzly (Sherman M4A1) Sexton
(Canadian tracks)
Friulmodel 1:35 Scale Track Set No. ATL-127
I would like to have seen magic tracks in this kit. Dragon put magic tracks into one of their firefly kits & they turned out mint. Sorry your not liking the rubber M8.
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Posted: Monday, September 19, 2016 - 03:53 AM UTC

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Gordon

If you go back and read, suggestions were provided with advice. Unfortunately, you did not get the jest of the "buy Dragon" comment. But as inferred many times, modelers are more knowledged today, and know what they are buying, thus it was hard to understand you original complaint and not having knowledge about DS track.

As for "insulting" your business, I don't believe I did, {actually I refer you to this post of yours -"Thanks for letting people know with what they are dealing with if they had to visit your store. I, for one, will never be visiting your store.}"
and I was just pointing out the differences in prices. As a store owner, I would think you would be more informed on distributors, and I am sorry you are not. I am a HUGE supporter of local hobby stores, especially when they are doing what they can to compete with online vendors. I am lucky in that I have a local hobby store with a VERY informed owner, and he is able to keep his prices competitive and when he can't, he will not stock the item. {my original point in fact GP}

You can take this thread anyway you want, but it is you, I think that missed the point. And as a store owner, you have shown your knowledge and opinions of customers throughout your comments in this thread.



Why don't we let this one go Kevin and move forward, if I indeed threw the first stone my apologies, it was not my intention to do so.
My store is more about games and slot cars. I have a huge play space so kids can come in and actually have something to do. I have only recently started to bring models back in the store because I like them and I naively thought others would to. As I pointed out several times, I am only just returning to the hobby and nowhere current on new kits or jargon. So telling me what I should know or should have known I let get under my skin; especially as I am asking for help here.
But the prices are killing me.
I have talked to my wholesalers about this issue and they are stuck too by the low dollar and rising prices across the board.
Legally, I have to deal with Canadian importers as they own the licenses and the prices between the wholesalers are all pretty much the same.
An example:
An MPC 1973 Mustang (which I originally built in '73) now has a suggested retail of 37.85 before taxes. Who's going to buy that? How do manufacturers get away with charging that much for a 40 yr old re-pop? Especially when you consider that models are almost universally manufactured in China at less than salubrious wages.
Armour has always been the most expensive and back in the day, you bought your kit and then you bought a Verlinden set to detail or convert and then you moped about the lousy and inaccurate and overpriced Verlinden stuff (remember their Ram? Yuck). Even getting a decent allied subject was cause for celebration. I actually own a $200 Resicast Sexton that I may never build (I bought it 20 yrs ago even though I hate resin but wanted to hedge my bets).
So I was doing joyous back flips over the Dragon Sexton, CDP tracks? Bonus! I'll have that.
Lunchbag letdown? You bet.
Recent Dragon kits have looked great so I think my expectation that the CDP tracks would be useable was reasonable.
GP
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Posted: Monday, September 19, 2016 - 04:03 AM UTC
When small hobby/toy/games stores by just one or two kits from their distributor, of course their "wholesale" price will be high - much higher than if they buy a dozen.
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Legally, I have to deal with Canadian importers as they own the licenses and the prices between the wholesalers are all pretty much the same.



Gordon,

I don't believe that is a true fact, as most local hobby stores I know in Canada deal with US distributors, ie Steven International, Dragon Models USA, Horizon, Squadron, etc.

I had thought I was trying to be helpful.

Kevin
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Posted: Monday, September 19, 2016 - 06:17 AM UTC
Honestly one or a dozen makes no difference in cost and only a slight difference in shipping cost.
Of course I like to bring in new kits as often as possible but as I said they usually end up in my "to do" pile. Not the worst thing. I don't bring in a lot of Nazi stuff because if it doesn't sell I will never build it.
Recent additions of new kits to my store have been:
Mirror Models; Otter and C15a armoured truck - "Nice too expensive and too complex" home in my pile.
Tamiya: 2 ea. Greyhound, Cromwell, Centaur - brought in several years ago and still on the shelf -except for one each on my pile. One M10 very nice but lacks forward cockpit detail and quite expensive. Home for now.
Italeri: C15 15 CWT, Quad gun tractor, no interest so home again, hopefully a couple of built ones will generate some interest.
Dragon: Sherman III's (still in the store) Sexton (at home in my cranky pile).
AFV Club Churchills and M3A3"s and M10's which I think I finally took home after being on the shelf for over a year. The Dieppe Churchill looks great but it is just so expensive that nobody wants it. I can give it away at a 30% discount (AND THAT'S A 10% MARK UP FOLKS) or I can keep it. Guess what I am doing.
I am sure I have missed a bunch, but you get the idea. The rest of the armour kits are all from collections I have bought. The prices are good and the sales are OK.
Cheaper than wholesale and no gst!
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Posted: Monday, September 19, 2016 - 06:44 AM UTC

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Gordon

If you go back and read, suggestions were provided with advice. Unfortunately, you did not get the jest of the "buy Dragon" comment. But as inferred many times, modelers are more knowledged today, and know what they are buying, thus it was hard to understand you original complaint and not having knowledge about DS track.

As for "insulting" your business, I don't believe I did, {actually I refer you to this post of yours -"Thanks for letting people know with what they are dealing with if they had to visit your store. I, for one, will never be visiting your store.}"
and I was just pointing out the differences in prices. As a store owner, I would think you would be more informed on distributors, and I am sorry you are not. I am a HUGE supporter of local hobby stores, especially when they are doing what they can to compete with online vendors. I am lucky in that I have a local hobby store with a VERY informed owner, and he is able to keep his prices competitive and when he can't, he will not stock the item. {my original point in fact GP}

You can take this thread anyway you want, but it is you, I think that missed the point. And as a store owner, you have shown your knowledge and opinions of customers throughout your comments in this thread.



Why don't we let this one go Kevin and move forward, if I indeed threw the first stone my apologies, it was not my intention to do so.
My store is more about games and slot cars. I have a huge play space so kids can come in and actually have something to do. I have only recently started to bring models back in the store because I like them and I naively thought others would to. As I pointed out several times, I am only just returning to the hobby and nowhere current on new kits or jargon. So telling me what I should know or should have known I let get under my skin; especially as I am asking for help here.
But the prices are killing me.
I have talked to my wholesalers about this issue and they are stuck too by the low dollar and rising prices across the board.
Legally, I have to deal with Canadian importers as they own the licenses and the prices between the wholesalers are all pretty much the same.
An example:
An MPC 1973 Mustang (which I originally built in '73) now has a suggested retail of 37.85 before taxes. Who's going to buy that? How do manufacturers get away with charging that much for a 40 yr old re-pop? Especially when you consider that models are almost universally manufactured in China at less than salubrious wages.
Armour has always been the most expensive and back in the day, you bought your kit and then you bought a Verlinden set to detail or convert and then you moped about the lousy and inaccurate and overpriced Verlinden stuff (remember their Ram? Yuck). Even getting a decent allied subject was cause for celebration. I actually own a $200 Resicast Sexton that I may never build (I bought it 20 yrs ago even though I hate resin but wanted to hedge my bets).
So I was doing joyous back flips over the Dragon Sexton, CDP tracks? Bonus! I'll have that.
Lunchbag letdown? You bet.
Recent Dragon kits have looked great so I think my expectation that the CDP tracks would be useable was reasonable.
GP


After having watched this 'argument' since the post was started, IMO, one of SgtRam's (?) posts did have a slightly rude wording to it, I cant recall which, but I assume that's a case of intent not going well through the internet. And it seemed like you took it the wrong way
He was trying to help though, and from knowledge of the LHS around here, he did suggest a few importers / suppliers that have the prices he was referring to, Stevens International is the one used here, and im pretty sure the average retail price is around 60-70$ for a Dragon kit, 80-90$ for AFV Club, and around 50-70$ for Trumpeter kits.
You may want to look into the suppliers / importers he suggested, Not sure on the markup here, but aside from a few kits that look questionable, the LHS is almost empty by the next shipment, so I assume the sales are pretty good at those prices.
Other than that, are you sure your lack of model sales isnt due to it being obvious that you sell them? As you said cards were your main income, and I must assume that your store's look / name "shows" that. It might be hard for people to realize that.

Edit: An attempt to look for said post had no result, Still though, seemed like a pointless argument to me.
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Posted: Monday, September 19, 2016 - 08:32 AM UTC

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Legally, I have to deal with Canadian importers as they own the licenses and the prices between the wholesalers are all pretty much the same.



Gordon,

I don't believe that is a true fact, as most local hobby stores I know in Canada deal with US distributors, ie Steven International, Dragon Models USA, Horizon, Squadron, etc.

I had thought I was trying to be helpful.
Kevin


Thanks for this Kevin. I will check but I know that is certainly the way it was when I started.
I have dealt with Stevens in the past; good people reasonable prices but at that time they insisted on using UPS and anyone who has ever dealt with UPS brokerage fees in Canada knows why I won't even let the company in the door.
With the collapse of the dollar the problem gets worse.
I don't mind flipping a kit at a deep discount if the customer pre-orders and/or leaves a deposit and pays enough of the shipping costs so I can make a few bucks too. But I am sure you agree that a 10% mark up for kits on the shelf is just not going to fly.
Gord
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Legally, I have to deal with Canadian importers as they own the licenses and the prices between the wholesalers are all pretty much the same.



Gordon,

I don't believe that is a true fact, as most local hobby stores I know in Canada deal with US distributors, ie Steven International, Dragon Models USA, Horizon, Squadron, etc.

I had thought I was trying to be helpful.
Kevin


Thanks for this Kevin. I will check but I know that is certainly the way it was when I started.
I have dealt with Stevens in the past; good people reasonable prices but at that time they insisted on using UPS and anyone who has ever dealt with UPS brokerage fees in Canada knows why I won't even let the company in the door.
With the collapse of the dollar the problem gets worse.
I don't mind flipping a kit at a deep discount if the customer pre-orders and/or leaves a deposit and pays enough of the shipping costs so I can make a few bucks too. But I am sure you agree that a 10% mark up for kits on the shelf is just not going to fly.
Gord



Some stores being close to the border take advantage of free shipping from distributors by having is shipped to a UPS store in the US, then going to pick it up.
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Thanks for this Kevin. I will check but I know that is certainly the way it was when I started.
I have dealt with Stevens in the past; good people reasonable prices but at that time they insisted on using UPS and anyone who has ever dealt with UPS brokerage fees in Canada knows why I won't even let the company in the door.
With the collapse of the dollar the problem gets worse.
I don't mind flipping a kit at a deep discount if the customer pre-orders and/or leaves a deposit and pays enough of the shipping costs so I can make a few bucks too. But I am sure you agree that a 10% mark up for kits on the shelf is just not going to fly.
Gord



Some stores being close to the border take advantage of free shipping from distributors by having is shipped to a UPS store in the US, then going to pick it up.



Just 'south of the border':
http://www.mystore411.com/store/view/218421/UPS-United-Parcel-Service-Sumas
maybe there is something even closer ...
/ Robin
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OK here's the thing;
In Canada wholesale companies are granted licenses from the manufacturers (some companies have an open license). They can be product or region specific.
The largest importer is in Eastern Canada and holds the licenses for Tamiya, Dragon (including Bronco, Cyber Hobby etc), among others.
The Western wholesaler (I have decided to eliminate the company names out of courtesy) holds the license for Mirror Models and AFV Club.
So if I buy a Tamiya kit from from the west they have bought it from the Eastern company first. The East gives the West good terms on Tamiya but not on Dragon or Bronco etc, so it is not worthwhile for the Western company to bring those kits in. I have been talking to the owner of the Western company and although Bronco is a more open license they still cannot get good enough terms from Bronco making them worthwhile to import.
If I want kits from the East (which is 5,000 KM away) my shipping costs are quite high compared to the West (100km away) and the Western company is next day service and the East is minimum one week.
OK so why not buy offshore?
Simply put we have to decide whether or not we want to pay our taxes.
Canadian wholesalers do. They pay all the import duties and taxes required by law, they pay all the shipping, manage all the brokerage fees and as you may not know, nothing ships direct to Canada anymore because model kits are not made here or the US. All manufacturing is now in China and Asia. Everything legally imported to Canada tranships through the US. They are big and we are little, so this makes unfortunate sense.
When we buy offshore (as individuals or shops and I have done this myself) to save money, instead of buying from Canadian wholesale outlets, we are essentially screwing the country out it's taxes. Which I honestly believe we need to pay.
If the trend continues as I see it, Canadian wholesalers will stop carrying hobby items if they can't turn kits over fast enough or at all.
This is the problem I am having on a much smaller scale.
People buy most of their hobby and luxury goodies online and that is causing a lot of retail pain.
I understand that money is tight in a shrinking economy. But we are talking luxury items here, not essentials. I know a lot of overweight modellers, including myself, (I don't actually know many skinny ones over the age of 20), we are NOT starving, we can afford to pay full price for our hobbies. We are just cheap. Me too.
So pay your taxes, buy from local shops that support Canadian wholesalers who pay their taxes and contribute to the Canadian economy. It is the Canadian way.
And yes this does mean getting ripped off a bit but it IS for the common good.
I know there are some good deals online. Even after we factor in exchange and shipping kits can be 20-30% cheaper than suggested retail. That is not a sustainable way to grow the hobby.
Write to the manufacturers and SCREAM when they make stupid mistakes or cheap out on quality. Scream at the real source of the cost problem, the kit makers themselves!
In 1963 I bought a 1/72 Revell Spad XIII for .59 cents. That very same kit today retails for 14.50., $8.US on Ebay (plus shipping). the exact same kit. That is near enough to a 300% increase.
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Posted: Wednesday, September 21, 2016 - 12:43 AM UTC
Hi Gordon,
I hear what you are saying (or rather read what you are writing). When everyone adds their own little contribution to the total cost then there will not be a sale at all and nobody makes any profit (or taxes) at all.
To many "middlemen" kills the business.

I don't think that it is really the kitmakers that are the problem here but that is just my thoughts. If too many needs/wants/must get a slice of the total cake then each slice will have to be very small or the cake must be bigger.
If (and I'm not sure about how to interpret what you write about shipping through the US) your supply chain involves two wholesalers then it is definitely one too many.

The whole "license", "exclusive rights" and monopoly thing is also an inefficient way to run business. One of the consequences is that the customer (i.e. the one who actually pays for everything) may react by going elsewhere and once they have started doing that there is no way to get them back again ...

I wish you the best of luck trying to raise interest in model building in your area.

According to the inflation calculator run by Banque du Canada the $ 0.59 kit from 1963 should cost $ 4.69 today
http://www.bankofcanada.ca/rates/related/inflation-calculator/
Maybe the distribution chain was more efficient (less useless overhead, Non Value Added Cost) back in those days .....

/ Robin
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Posted: Wednesday, September 21, 2016 - 03:54 AM UTC

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If I want kits from the East (which is 5,000 KM away) my shipping costs are quite high compared to the West (100km away) and the Western company is next day service and the East is minimum one week.



That depends on what your definition of high costs are. I have purchased from the importer in the east and usually pay around $20 shipping (to Alberta) depending on the number of kits. Buy enough and the shipping costs come down to like $1 per kit which isn't that bad.


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OK so why not buy offshore?
Simply put we have to decide whether or not we want to pay our taxes.
Canadian wholesalers do. They pay all the import duties and taxes required by law, they pay all the shipping, manage all the brokerage fees and as you may not know, nothing ships direct to Canada anymore because model kits are not made here or the US.



If you buy from overseas chances are you will get hit with the customs and import duties when it hits the border. Then you are paying the taxes, so the government gets their taxes one way or the other.



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If the trend continues as I see it, Canadian wholesalers will stop carrying hobby items if they can't turn kits over fast enough or at all.



Or they will have to adapt to the changing marketplace.



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So pay your taxes, buy from local shops that support Canadian wholesalers who pay their taxes and contribute to the Canadian economy. It is the Canadian way.



I admire your sentiment and don't disagree with it, but by supporting Canadian business you are doing it at a detriment to your own business. If you go bankrupt (not saying that you are) will you and your employees be happy saying "at least we helped keep the other business going".

If the kit prices are too high that you can't make your margins, or your margin make the product too costly to sell then you should either a) not sell it or b) find a new cheaper source. Just because you buy from overseas does not mean you are anti-canadian business, simply by running a business and employing people you are helping to support the economy. You need to worry about how to run your business and what is best for you in your situation and not worry about what it will do to some other company. I've been there and done that, to a degree.

Not trying to be disrespectful, just offering my view.

John
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Posted: Wednesday, September 21, 2016 - 04:29 AM UTC

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The largest importer is in Eastern Canada and holds the licenses for Tamiya, Dragon (including Bronco, Cyber Hobby etc), among others.



The "big" wholesaler in the East only holds rights to Tamiya. Dragon USA holds the rights for ALL of North America for Dragon, Bronco, MiniArt, Cyber Hobby etc. My local hobby stores gets their Dragon, etc from Dragon USA.

Is should be noted their is a smaller distributor in Ontario that has Bronco rights, but their stock is always limited to non-existent.