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Posted: Sunday, February 08, 2015 - 01:20 AM UTC
1/350 FFG-57 Reuben James

Not that I think about it I dont know where I got the idea that they were drains. Based on Jan's dimensions, what is needed is an indentation about .01cm which might be a little out of my league. The smallest drill I have is .5cm.
Any good ideas?

Ill have to think about doing this as it might look way out of scale.

Thanks for Info everyone,
Bryan
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Posted: Sunday, February 08, 2015 - 12:21 AM UTC
Hi Bryan,

Great attention to detail, like the method replicating the tie downs.

Si
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Posted: Saturday, February 07, 2015 - 10:29 PM UTC

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Those are tie down rings to fasten aircraft tie down chains to, not drains.

EJ



Close up of a typical tie down. Because there is no good way to allow water to drain out of it, they are a kinda maintenance problem and are usually kinda rusty.



EJ
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Posted: Saturday, February 07, 2015 - 09:48 PM UTC
Hi Bryan,

I missed your question further down concerning the holes in the flight deck.

What you are up to there is really ambitious, reproducing every single one of those.
But be aware, as EJ points out correctly, they are no holes as such, at least not 'through-holes' if you like, they are rather cavities or depressions, really not all that deep. Every single on has a link to hook up a chain to tie down a landed helicopter, that's why there so many of them and in such an awkward pattern, to allow to tie down various types of aircraft in different positions.

From my memory they were something like 5 cm in diameter and about 2 cm deep, just deep enough that the links don't become trip hazards.

Maybe I can find a close up picture of one, I'll check...

Cheers,
Jan
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Posted: Saturday, February 07, 2015 - 05:55 AM UTC
Those are tie down rings to fasten aircraft tie down chains to, not drains.

EJ
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Posted: Saturday, February 07, 2015 - 03:04 AM UTC
1/350 FFG-57 Reuben James

So the flight decks of these ships are covered in drains. At first glance they are fairy regular in their pattern but upon thorough inspection they are irregular and complex.

Blackhawk landing on the fantail, note the drains and irregular layout:


Using many photos I drew out a plan in illustrator which was sized to scale based on the kit part's dimensions:


I then transferred this to the kit part covered in masking tape:


The scrap plastic underneath the flight deck piece are different potential "drains". Moving right to left the depth of the holes increases.

What looks best to everyone?

Thanks for the help and stopping by,
Bryan
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Posted: Friday, February 06, 2015 - 09:44 PM UTC
Another fine update Bryan!!! The Devil is in the details!! Looking great!!
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Posted: Friday, February 06, 2015 - 09:40 PM UTC
Bryan,

that's really stunning work!! Your attention to detail and working with reference pictures is really great work! You made yourself really knowledgeable on the USS Reuben James and you're not just building a ship model but a genuine rendition of the original!

Jan
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Posted: Thursday, February 05, 2015 - 06:00 PM UTC
1/350 FFG-57 Reuben James

Today's Progress: cleaning up and attaching the very most aft deck behind the flight deck as well as rebuilding molded on detail etc.

Kit offering:


My solution:


Towed Array fitting:


Next up the flight deck, to drill or not to drill all those holes, that is the question.
Any ideas?

Thanks for checking in,
Bryan
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Posted: Wednesday, February 04, 2015 - 10:22 PM UTC
Very nice Bryon! The bow is coming alive again!! Well done on pulling the detail out!
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Posted: Wednesday, February 04, 2015 - 09:30 PM UTC
1/350 FFG-57 Reuben James

Devin, thanks for that diagram, I'm sure it will benefit other USN modelers as well.

Lots of progress in miniature, thanks for sticking with me.

Recent progress:

Torpedo Launchers:


These radar things which were actually pretty accurate out of the box:


and now for the real work, the Forecastle deck and Bow area.

Here is a photo of the forward area from the USS Curts:


Original detail:


Cleared of molded detail and bow wall (bulkhead maybe?) and on deck, I was very frightened that I could not rebuild the detail better than the kit, but it turned out okay:


Finished adding detail. I rebuilt the anchor chain system (capstan), railing ribbing, port hull detail, hatch covering, and more:




Thanks for following along,
I appreciate all the great comments,

Bryan
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Posted: Wednesday, February 04, 2015 - 12:57 AM UTC
You're welcome.

The shown control units were not mounted on the TDT, but rather on the bulkhead adjacent. Also, when not in use we would take the binoculars out of the mount. I assume we also covered them with vinyl covers, but I have no specific memory of doing that.
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Posted: Tuesday, February 03, 2015 - 06:38 AM UTC
Thanks Devin!
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Posted: Tuesday, February 03, 2015 - 05:24 AM UTC
Here's the TDT.

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Posted: Tuesday, February 03, 2015 - 02:40 AM UTC
Looking good Bryan,

Love the attention to detail.

Si
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Posted: Tuesday, February 03, 2015 - 12:40 AM UTC
Bryan,

just another option/idea for your life rafts: reverse order. Paint them all black or dark gray, then cut a very thin (< 0.5 mm) line of masking tape and wrap it around in the position of the rubber. Let about 1 cm of the tape pointing away from the life rafts, this end you can use to fix and handle the things while painting. Then spray white in very thin layers.

Cheers,
Jan
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Posted: Monday, February 02, 2015 - 10:28 PM UTC

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Nice build. Love the lines of the Perry class.

As far as the TDTs go, I have some line drawings of them somewhere, if you need. They're out of my qualification manual from the USS Barney in 1990. Different class of ship, but we had the TDTs, and they were my General Quarters station.



Yes! As I wrote, I'm building a Belknap class cruiser that had them and can't find a pic anywhere...
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Posted: Monday, February 02, 2015 - 09:14 PM UTC
Nice build. Love the lines of the Perry class.

As far as the TDTs go, I have some line drawings of them somewhere, if you need. They're out of my qualification manual from the USS Barney in 1990. Different class of ship, but we had the TDTs, and they were my General Quarters station.
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Posted: Monday, February 02, 2015 - 05:49 PM UTC
Sorry about my confusion there Bryan LOL!! That makes more sense!! Thanks for clearing that up!! Good luck with the pen!
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Posted: Monday, February 02, 2015 - 04:52 PM UTC
1/350 FFG-57 Reuben James

Todd I was referring to the black rubber line along the horizontal center of the life raft canisters as seen in this photo:


But I think a black pen is a great solution,
thanks,

Bryan
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Posted: Monday, February 02, 2015 - 03:18 PM UTC
Tidy work Bryan! A fine tipped brush with thinned down paint (enamel or acrylic would do. Might need two quick coats but the capillary action of the thin paint runs more or less like a pin wash in that recess. A medium to a dark grey I would figure. Other than that, maybe a fine tipped drafting marker. Keep up the great work!!
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Posted: Monday, February 02, 2015 - 04:11 AM UTC
Jan, I meant how to paint the rubber piece

Bryan
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Posted: Monday, February 02, 2015 - 12:58 AM UTC
Bryan,

great attention to detail, great references That's going to be a wonderful Reuben James!!

You ask about the black lines on the life rafts - I don't really understand your question. Do you mean how to physically paint it, or more what color exactly it is and what it should look like?
I guess you know that they are no 'stripes' but rather some rubber, this is where the containers part and spring open once they are released.

I have to come back to the rudder issue - found an interesting pic today, showing screws and rudders of a DDG 51. Two screws, two rudders, both rudders slightly inside of the centre of the respective screws. Should be the same principle but I never noticed it - in a way it is symmetric and therefor simply appears not as strange as the single screw/rudder combination on the FFG's. And your uncles explanation still works!

Cheers,
Jan
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Posted: Sunday, February 01, 2015 - 03:55 PM UTC
1/350 FFG-57 Reuben James

Back to the little details, I find them to be a nice break between the daunting larger tasks like gluing the deck to the hull.

Today's Progress:

More little things on the superstructure roof aft.

Photo showing the parts that were modified:


Air intakes fattened up and given their little base flange (purple circles):


Strange angled electricity boxes (red circles) and other tidbits (green circles)some of which I have no idea as to their purpose:


Refueling pipes/valves (magenta circle):


Finally I folded the cradles for the life rafts (brown circles):



My question to everyone is how to paint the black line on the life raft pods? Any ideas?

Thanks for looking,
Bryan

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Posted: Saturday, January 31, 2015 - 04:19 PM UTC
Hi Bryan,

thanks for that explanation from your uncle! I have never heard/thought about the rudder offset connected to acoustic signature/trailing edge cavitation of the rudder. Being on the skimmer side of life for myself, I tend to believe whatever those sub guys say about hydroacoustics and cavitation - even though we deal with it as well, they are so much more proficient with those topics.
I go along with your statement to consider this expert testimony

Jan