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In the cold morning of December 19, 1944
kurnuy
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Posted: Saturday, October 18, 2014 - 11:09 AM UTC

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Yes Kurt a couple are that tall in order to portray the thicker trunk but its not practical for most dioramas and they really eat up material. I wanted the tall "towering" look over the soldiers and schwimwagen. I have started a Hurtgen Forest diorama that I will start a thread on. It portrays the doom and gloom aftermath of a battle with a bunch of artillery splintered trees.
I'm following this with interest, keep it up.
Mike - are you sure your not part Confucius?!!haha
- John



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Hi Guy's ,

- mike , thanks for the beautiful poem .

- John , i'm gonna follow that thread of the Hürtgen forest for sure ! Sounds very promising ! The real stuff in small scale .
Thanks for the kind words man .

Well i keep going because i have started with the paint work of the figure of the Sherman , the driver a corporal who is seriously injured by the fatal shot of the Panther. It is not finished yet .




That's something for Jerry and Romain and for others too of course !

I will use the Sherman 76mm gun from Italeri instead of Academy..

Cheers

Kurt
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Posted: Saturday, October 18, 2014 - 01:10 PM UTC

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Mike - are you sure your not part Confucius?!!haha
- John



LOL! Nope ... just Confus-ed! LOL!!!

—mike
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Posted: Saturday, October 18, 2014 - 08:38 PM UTC
Good one mike ! Thumbs up ! We are all AMUSED !:D

Okay guy's seriously now ,

the pictures below show a severely injured tanker of the Sherman. Honestly ,i really don't know if it's not to realistic painted or you may say a bit creepy???? My intention is to make the scene as realistic as possible .His corporal stripes are not very well done .






Cheers

Kurt
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Posted: Monday, October 20, 2014 - 01:19 AM UTC
Too my taste the blood is too shiny and needs some darker areas. A real wound would have streams and lines going down the face. Right now your guy looks like he was the victim of a ketchup filled balloon,sorry to say. The figure you chose looks good though.
J
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Posted: Monday, October 20, 2014 - 03:32 AM UTC
Hi Kurt,

definitely too much and way too bright red and shiny!!

And those stripes....come on m8...you can do better than that!!! We've seen it before!!

Be patient!!

Good luck!

Cheers

Romain
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Posted: Monday, October 20, 2014 - 05:56 AM UTC

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Too my taste the blood is too shiny and needs some darker areas. A real wound would have streams and lines going down the face. Right now your guy looks like he was the victim of a ketchup filled balloon,sorry to say. The figure you chose looks good though.
J



Well , it depends (the bleeding)on the size and depth of the wound , the poor soldier did not bump his head against the hatch or something else...he got hit inside the tank by flying particles of hot metal , i'm sorry for the poor explanation ! However i agree with the too shiny color of the red paint. Okay , i'll see to it .

Thanks for your critism and for looking in , much appreciated as always Jerry.

OW , i almost forgot in Belgium we fill the balloons with water so if we play ''may i say a balloon fight ''we get just wet never dirty hehehehehe


Dear Romain ,

also thanks for looking in and your critical words , but i'm a sloppy figure painter and i need a lot of practice.....
Thanks for wishing me good luck don't worry it will turn out fine! Ooops wrong smiley

Cheers

Kurt
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Posted: Monday, October 20, 2014 - 08:18 AM UTC
Update !





The paint was still wet when i took the photos .

Cheers
Kurt
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Posted: Monday, October 20, 2014 - 11:20 AM UTC
Hola Kurt

Thanks for the link. Very usefull.

About your figure, I can't said nothing, as I rockie to paint them!....

Regards from the south.

Alvaro
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Posted: Tuesday, October 21, 2014 - 01:49 AM UTC
YES!! The wound looks way way better now. Very believable. Good show.
J
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Posted: Tuesday, October 21, 2014 - 05:13 AM UTC

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Hola Kurt

Thanks for the link. Very usefull.

About your figure, I can't said nothing, as I rockie to paint them!....

Regards from the south.

Alvaro



Hola Alvaro ,

muchas gracias por el comentario ! Thank you very much for your comment. The keyword for painting figures is practice !

Kind regards from the heart of Europe Kurt

( not me , it's the country where i live )
kurnuy
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Posted: Tuesday, October 21, 2014 - 05:29 AM UTC

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YES!! The wound looks way way better now. Very believable. Good show.
J




I'm glad you like it brother , i used oil paint the last time and it's amazing what kind of results you can achieve ..

I'm going to put the focus on the disabled Sherman together with the wounded driver. I hope that will be the eye catcher of the whole scene....So up to the Sherman tank !

Thanks for the reply Jerry !

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Posted: Wednesday, October 22, 2014 - 09:46 AM UTC

Hi Kurt,

I agree with Jerry!!! The wound is a lot more convincing now!

Cheers

Romain

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Posted: Thursday, October 23, 2014 - 04:43 AM UTC

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Hi Kurt,

I agree with Jerry!!! The wound is a lot more convincing now!

Cheers

Romain




Thanks Romain for looking in again and the comment !

Cheers

Kurt

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Posted: Thursday, October 23, 2014 - 05:14 AM UTC
I agree. It's definitely better now.
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Posted: Thursday, October 23, 2014 - 05:55 AM UTC

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I agree. It's definitely better now.



Thanks for looking in , appreciated !
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Posted: Thursday, October 23, 2014 - 05:19 PM UTC
Hi Kurt - that poor guy looks terrible! It's perfect! As always, I admire your work - the forest is coming along nicely too - look forward to your next post
Cheers
Nick
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Posted: Friday, October 24, 2014 - 06:21 AM UTC
Wow Kurt, this guy is in a wold o' hurt. ... Somebody call a Medic! Can't wait for more of the drama which you do so well.

—mike!
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Posted: Saturday, October 25, 2014 - 02:23 AM UTC
Hi Nick and mike ,

thanks for the reply friends !

@ Nick , first of all a big thank you for the nice compliment , yeah the guy looks beaten up , i'm very pleased with the expression on the face , tired and hurt but full of anger. ( maybe he has a hand granate in his hands ??? ). Thanks for looking in .

Ow , i cut my finger so i better stop saying it....it brings bad luck

@ mike , thanks for the nice words . I'll do my best to keep the level high

To everyone ,

i'm planning to add a small creeck or stream in the forest too , something like this from a while ago ....



It is really very simple to create and at a later stage i'll explain it.

I hope you will not be angry with me John but there are also damaged pine trees involved in my diorama....Let's say that i have made this damaged tree on Jhoenig way



I have also prepared some forest soil.....


About the diorama ;

the base will have the same size as the dioramas of roadblock and Low fly by. (600x250 mm or 23,62''x 9,84'' )



Next update will be....the building up of the base.

You better stay tuned !!!

Cheers

Kurt
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Posted: Saturday, October 25, 2014 - 02:33 AM UTC
All nice stuff so far!
Have you decided on the place in the Ardennes or is it just kind of a generic scene from the battle?
J
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Posted: Saturday, October 25, 2014 - 02:56 AM UTC

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All nice stuff so far!
Have you decided on the place in the Ardennes or is it just kind of a generic scene from the battle?
J



Hi Jerry ,

I'm not sure yet but i think it will be a generic scene from the battle. It can not be the surrounding area of Bastogne because of the fact that there was not WSS involved (correct me if i'm wrong)

So Stavelot or St-Vith , Stoumont are the places where WSS attacked the gi's(the Kampfgruppe Peiper for example) . Second reason is also the difficulty of creating a diorama based on local historical events ...meaning thinking and making stuff in the right dimensions with pinpoint accurasy ! Not exactly my thing really

Cheers

Kurt
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Posted: Saturday, October 25, 2014 - 04:20 AM UTC

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All nice stuff so far!
Have you decided on the place in the Ardennes or is it just kind of a generic scene from the battle?
J



Hi Jerry ,

I'm not sure yet but i think it will be a generic scene from the battle. It can not be the surrounding area of Bastogne because of the fact that there was not WSS involved (correct me if i'm wrong)

So Stavelot or St-Vith , Stoumont are the places where WSS attacked the gi's(the Kampfgruppe Peiper for example) . Second reason is also the difficulty of creating a diorama based on local historical events ...meaning thinking and making stuff in the right dimensions with pinpoint accurasy ! Not exactly my thing really

Cheers

Kurt




I get your point about the pinpoint location. It looks like you are having snow in your dio so it would be a few days into the attack as the snow came then. Peipers' group had no snow until the day they retreated!
If it helps any,there were SS troops down by Bastogne later as the remnants of the 1SS PzRegt (mostly the 7th Komp) made a very costly attack near the town of "luttremange" or something like that. I can't remember the spelling. Anyway,they were there and it pretty much completed their destruction after LeGlieze.
J
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Posted: Saturday, October 25, 2014 - 05:20 AM UTC

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All nice stuff so far!
Have you decided on the place in the Ardennes or is it just kind of a generic scene from the battle?
J



Hi Jerry ,

I'm not sure yet but i think it will be a generic scene from the battle. It can not be the surrounding area of Bastogne because of the fact that there was not WSS involved (correct me if i'm wrong)

So Stavelot or St-Vith , Stoumont are the places where WSS attacked the gi's(the Kampfgruppe Peiper for example) . Second reason is also the difficulty of creating a diorama based on local historical events ...meaning thinking and making stuff in the right dimensions with pinpoint accurasy ! Not exactly my thing really

Cheers

Kurt




I get your point about the pinpoint location. It looks like you are having snow in your dio so it would be a few days into the attack as the snow came then. Peipers' group had no snow until the day they retreated!
If it helps any,there were SS troops down by Bastogne later as the remnants of the 1SS PzRegt (mostly the 7th Komp) made a very costly attack near the town of "luttremange" or something like that. I can't remember the spelling. Anyway,they were there and it pretty much completed their destruction after LeGlieze.
J



Thanks J ,

but there was already snow in Krinkelt a Belgian village near the German border before the battle started .... though it was very local . And a diorama with a scene about the battle of the Bulge without the snow , is like a Hotdog without ketchup.....it won't sell !!! That's because viewers like to have that chilly effect when they are looking at a diorama of the Ardennes.

Yes i know , you mean La Gleize and lutremange . Thanks bro for the info !

Cheers

Kurt
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Posted: Saturday, October 25, 2014 - 07:19 AM UTC
Ah yes,but these are the problems when talking about the BoB. It was a very large area that was involved and yes,the snow was localized which is why you have to make a decision when you plan a BoB dio.
I am used to making the dios from the northern bulge and the 30th Inf Div fighting Gepanzertegruppe 1SS and their battle had no snow till about 24Dec I think.
Obviously this changed because later they had deep snow as shown by the pics of body recovery at Baugnez. And the 82nd Abn guys practicing Bazookas in Le Gleize after Christmas on a Tiger II
J
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Posted: Saturday, October 25, 2014 - 03:17 PM UTC
Great history lesson guys! Tagging along with much interest.

—mike
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Posted: Saturday, October 25, 2014 - 08:18 PM UTC

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Ah yes,but these are the problems when talking about the BoB. It was a very large area that was involved and yes,the snow was localized which is why you have to make a decision when you plan a BoB dio.
I am used to making the dios from the northern bulge and the 30th Inf Div fighting Gepanzertegruppe 1SS and their battle had no snow till about 24Dec I think.
Obviously this changed because later they had deep snow as shown by the pics of body recovery at Baugnez. And the 82nd Abn guys practicing Bazookas in Le Gleize after Christmas on a Tiger II
J



Yes J , you're absolutely right about taking an decision concerning the snow , if you want to make a Historical correct BoB diorama.

Let's say that my diorama will show a light snowy landscape , it is a kind of compromise ... . The Battle of the Bulge started on December 16th ,1944 and a few days later it started snowing everywhere in the Ardennes region.

I have that picture too in my book from the Belgian author Peter Taghon , the book is called ''Ardennen 1944-45 '' that's Dutch for Ardennes 1944-45 and the exact date of the shooting exercise of the 82nd shooting on a ''Königstiger '' or Tiger II is from January 28 , 1945 near the end of the battle. The Tiger II withstood very well the impact of a bazooka and Panzerschreck.... and the body recovery at Baugnez ....many bodies showed gunshot wounds in the back of the head , those poor soldiers where simply executed ! After the War all the SS who were involved in the slaughter including Peiper stood trial in a American court martial and some were sentenced to prison for many years while others like Peiper were sentenced to death by hanging.

Thanks again for the info Jerry and the comments .

Hi mike ,

i'm glad you find it interesting and thanks for having a look .

To all ,

If you are in the neighborhood maybe you can check out this brand new museum in Bastogne ????? It looks very interesting!!!
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=3&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CDIQFjAC&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.bastognewarmuseum.be%2Fhome.html&ei=OJ9MVIraHND5arvjgLAK&usg=AFQjCNEnVPfgBdKGLpwJpMP4QPD_9QMytg&sig2=leP3IDKq7LiT6DxumtsV3w

Cheers

Kurt