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PrickleHead
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Posted: Thursday, June 19, 2014 - 07:21 PM UTC
Hi all

Putting up for discussion a propsal toward the end of 2015 (September onward) for a 12 month build based around the History Channel's Dogfight programme. The programme depicts air-to-air combat from WWI, WWII, Korea, Vietnam, Six Day War, Yom Kippur, Gulf War and even possible future dogfights. It also includes aircraft vs ships eg Bismark vs Swordfish and what can be described as a Naval Dogfight in Taffy 3 against the Battleship Yamato in the Battle off Samar.

Some of the match ups are:
• SPAD S XIII vs Fokker DVII and LVG C VI
• F-86 Sabre vs MiG-15
• P-51 Mustang vs Bf 109
• F-4 Phantom vs MiG-17
• P-38 vs Bf 109
• F-4 Phantom vs MiG-21
• P-40 vs Ki-27 “Nates”, Ki-21 “Sallys” and Ki-43 “Oscars”
• F4F Wildcat vs. Mitsubishi Zero, F1M "Pete", D3A "Val", and Ki-43 "Oscar".
• F6F Hellcat vs Mitsubishi Zeroes
• F-8 Crusader vs. MiG-17s and MiG-21s.
• Swordfish vs Bismark
• SBD Dauntless vs. A6M Zero
• B-17 Flying Fortress vs. A6M Zeroes & a Ki-46 "Dinah"
• F-105 Thunderchief vs. North Vietnamese Air Force MiG-17
• Israeli Air Force Mirage III vs. Egyptian Air Force MiG-17 & MiG-19
• Israeli Air Force F-15 Eagle vs. Syrian Air Force MiG-21.
• Kamikaze vs USS St Lo; USS Laffey
• P-47 vs Fw-190 and Bf 109
• MiG 17 vs A1 Skyraider
• Mirage III vs Hawker Hunters
• Mirage III vs Sukhoi Su-7
• Nesher vs MiG-21
• Albatros D III vs SPAD VII
• Fokker Triplane vs SE5a
• F6F Hellcat nighfighter vs A6M2 “Rufe”
• P-61 Black Widow vs Me 410
• F3D Skyknight vs MiG-15
• F-15 Eagles and F-117 Nighthawks vs MiG-29s
• American F-4 Phantoms, A-6 Intruders, and A-7 Corsairs vs North Vietnamese MiG-21s, MiG-19s, and Mig-17s
• An EF-111 Raven vs Iraqi Mirage F-1
• F-15 Eagles vs Iraqi MiG-25s, MiG-23s and MiG-29
• F-22 Raptors vs Mikoyan MiG-29s, Sukhoi Su-30s and Dassault Rafales with the B-1R missile truck

Anyways short story long (by the looks) would there be interest in a campaign of modelling the pair of dogfighters?

A fuller description of each dogfight can be found here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dogfights

Cheers
Fenbeiduo
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Posted: Thursday, June 19, 2014 - 09:59 PM UTC
Hi,
It means we would build aircrafts in pairs?sounds interesting
PrickleHead
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Western Australia, Australia
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Posted: Thursday, June 19, 2014 - 10:10 PM UTC

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Hi,
It means we would build aircrafts in pairs?sounds interesting



Hi

That is what I was thinking.
jimb
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Posted: Friday, June 20, 2014 - 03:50 AM UTC
Interesting proposal. I'll have to give it some thought.

Jim
Aurora-7
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Posted: Friday, June 20, 2014 - 04:24 AM UTC
I like the concept.

But using the HC's 'Dogfights' as the theme, it gives a lot of build choices, reaching across from both World Wars, Korea, Vietnam and the Middle East conflicts.

You could even do Fairy Swordfish against the Bismark, Helldivers, Avengers and Hellcats against the Yamato if you want to base eligibilty on episode content.

Wikipedia has episodes of both seasons well descibed:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dogfights_(TV_series)

Joel_W
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Posted: Friday, June 20, 2014 - 04:39 AM UTC
Interesting concept. Would one of the two models be allowed if they were previously built?
Joel
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Posted: Friday, June 20, 2014 - 05:47 AM UTC
Would the models need to be in the finish of the relevant combatants or just the aircraft type?
rochaped
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Posted: Friday, June 20, 2014 - 06:45 AM UTC
Uau, I like this idea, though we had a previous campaign that picked a similar concept, based on the Osprey book collection.

I would love to build the P-47D vs the FW 190A-6 or A-5... Radial vs Radial

Cheers
Pedro
Berwickboy
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Posted: Friday, June 20, 2014 - 08:19 AM UTC
This does raise an interesting concept, a large dogfight using small scale aircraft like the 1/350 scale carrier aircraft from the Far East. You could even force perspective by having 1/700 fighting in the background whilst 1/200, 1/144 or even larger fought in the foreground. The mind boggles
JPTRR
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Posted: Friday, June 20, 2014 - 09:29 AM UTC
Aeroscale had this campaign back in 2006 and it was a lot of fun! I'm all for it!

http://www.aeroscale.co.uk/modules.php?op=modload&name=SquawkBox&file=index&req=viewtopic&topic_id=86240&page=1
jimb
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Posted: Friday, June 20, 2014 - 01:45 PM UTC

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This does raise an interesting concept, a large dogfight using small scale aircraft like the 1/350 scale carrier aircraft from the Far East. You could even force perspective by having 1/700 fighting in the background whilst 1/200, 1/144 or even larger fought in the foreground. The mind boggles



Ouch! My brain hurts just thinking about it. A 1/700 scale fur-ball!

Jim
PrickleHead
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Posted: Friday, June 20, 2014 - 09:54 PM UTC

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Would the models need to be in the finish of the relevant combatants or just the aircraft type?



I would try and finish it in the revlevant combatants but if not able to at least in the marking as close as possible. ie the F4s and Crusaders in Vietnam era markings against the Migs in North Vietnam markings.
FinneganBojangles
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Posted: Saturday, June 21, 2014 - 04:38 AM UTC
How about an A-1H Skyraider vs a MiG-17 a la Tom Patton?
MichaelSatin
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Posted: Saturday, June 21, 2014 - 06:49 AM UTC
The Osprey Duel campaign was mine and I love this stuff, so count me in!

Michael
PrickleHead
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Posted: Saturday, June 21, 2014 - 01:42 PM UTC

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How about an A-1H Skyraider vs a MiG-17 a la Tom Patton?



Clinton Johnson and Charles Hartman down a MiG-17 with propeller-driven A-1 Skyraiders was in the series so it would be in.
heavyjagdpanzer
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Posted: Saturday, June 21, 2014 - 03:47 PM UTC
It seems like I have one of the combatants, but not the other. I have a Mirage III, and A Mig-17, but I was going to do the Mig-17 in NVAF. Could I do an Egyptian Mig-21?
I have a F4F Wildcat; I would need to get a KI-43 Oscar.
PrickleHead
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Posted: Saturday, June 21, 2014 - 10:11 PM UTC

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Interesting concept. Would one of the two models be allowed if they were previously built?
Joel



I would be ok with one of the models having been built in another campaign
Aurora-7
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Posted: Monday, June 23, 2014 - 02:09 AM UTC
Luckily the HC is re-running alot of the epiodes now and you can get some off you tube.

I'll be doing some research this week.

Aurora-7
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Posted: Monday, June 23, 2014 - 02:48 PM UTC
Also, if you're a stickler for accuracy, don't realy on the programs depiction of the aircraft as a reliable source.

For example, for the "Ambushed" episode, I was researching Robin Olds' P-38J 'Scat III' that the program mentioned. Turns out the coloring was wrong and it may been 'Scat II', not III on the profiled mission.

The program shows olive drab camoflage and invastion stripes where for the dated of the profiled mission has several sources showing it as Scat II in natural metal finish.

There was as Scat III, but different sources place the two 'Scats' on the same mission dates.

What is modeling without it's research?
MichaelSatin
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Posted: Saturday, August 09, 2014 - 05:52 AM UTC
PrickleHead,

By my count you have enough people interested to get this one approved. Write up a proposal and I'll see if I can talk the notoriously absent minded administrator into having a look.

Michael
Bigrip74
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Posted: Saturday, September 27, 2014 - 04:47 AM UTC
Im in.

Bob
MichaelSatin
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Posted: Saturday, September 27, 2014 - 04:54 AM UTC
Still waiting on a proposal to get this one calendared...

Michael
PrickleHead
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Posted: Saturday, September 27, 2014 - 09:16 PM UTC

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Still waiting on a proposal to get this one calendared...

Michael



Sorry Michael

Got totally sidetracked,,,,has a head like a sieve. Will get onto it.
ljames0874
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Posted: Saturday, September 27, 2014 - 10:51 PM UTC
While you're still working on the proposal, could I suggest an addition with A Falklands Conflict flavour?

Having recently finished a Sea Harrier (FAA campaign), I quite fancy modelling one of their Argentinian adversaries, which could be a Pucara, Mirage III, Delta Dagger or A-4 Skyhawk.

Any thoughts?
MichaelSatin
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Posted: Friday, October 03, 2014 - 12:43 AM UTC
This campaign is APPROVED!

It will run from 1 Sept. 2015 through 31 August 2016, so plenty of time it think about what you want to do and then do it.

You can enlist here.

Looking forward to it!

Michael