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New tool WW1 tanks for the Centenary?
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Posted: Tuesday, October 08, 2013 - 09:31 AM UTC
We've had new tool FT17's from Takom and Meng but anyone heard any rumours about any more WW1 tanks as the WW1 centenary is coming up?


The old Emhar Male and Female tanks are well past their sell by date.
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Posted: Tuesday, October 08, 2013 - 10:41 AM UTC

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We've had new tool FT17's from Takom and Meng but anyone heard any rumours about any more WW1 tanks as the WW1 centenary is coming up?


The old Emhar Male and Female tanks are well past their sell by date.



the emhar kits are dogs
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Posted: Tuesday, October 08, 2013 - 01:47 PM UTC
doubt it very much before 2018 at the least - those who have asked various manufacturers have come back with a very negative response from the traditional companies

Of course Meng seems able to whack out excellent kits at a moments notice so I hope for something.
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Posted: Wednesday, October 09, 2013 - 02:48 AM UTC
I posed this very question a couple of months ago. There's a scarcity of GOOD WWl armor; it is significant as being the origin of all modern armored vehicles; and to commemorate the centennial of WWl (coming soon). So far Meng has been the only one to show any interest. Hopefully AFV, Bronco, Dragon, MiniArt, Tamiya, et al, will surprise us in the near future.
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Posted: Wednesday, October 09, 2013 - 04:37 AM UTC
I'm really hoping that some major manufacturer steps up to the plate. I was never able to track down the Sparta A7V and St. Chamond kits and the plastic kits out there (aside from the FT-17's) are junk. The glaring lack of a Mk.IV or A7V or Schneider or St. Chamond is one I'm hoping gets filled.

Matt
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Posted: Wednesday, October 09, 2013 - 05:01 AM UTC
My preference would be for a Meng British vehicle(s)with interior and engine. A high quality plastic kit would be great.

Britain was by far the most active country and most advances as far as mechanical transport was concerned and had a wide variety of Mks by wars end.

150 X Mk I
50 x Mk II
50 x Mk III
1220 x Mk IV
1242 Mk V
Whippet Mk A x 200
Whippet Mk B x 102
Whippet Mk C x 50

With the first APC, armoured cars, armoured recovery vehicles, self propelled artillery there is a lot of scope. It would be nice to see a decent manufacturer tackle some of these in 1/35 scale.

Tamiya could also throw in a surprise.

For DML there are quite a few German Tank projects that never got off the ground for them to market and even a few US ones too.

The French also built a lot of tanks.

400 x Schneider CA 1
400 x Saint Chamond
3,694 x FT
10 x Char 2C

There are some rays of hope around in 1/35 scale. MB have their WW1 British Infantry and Prisoners in the making.

Resicast recently released the 6in Howitzer WW1 version, new ammo loads and a couple of WW1 figures. I'd say there is a good bet some other stuff will come along for the anniversary as the Holt Tractor is almost ready for production.

Judging by the number of hits on last years WW1 campaign and the one just started this year there is a lot of interest around in modelling this era but a lack of kits and figures for people to build. Not many are brave enough to tackle the old Emhar kits and that includes me.

We live in hopeful times folks so who knows.

Al
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Posted: Wednesday, October 09, 2013 - 02:45 PM UTC
+1 on everything that Alan said.

Hopefully the Meng FT-17 will be a great seller that encourages some others to follow suit.
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Posted: Thursday, October 10, 2013 - 01:45 AM UTC
Personally, I think if we could convince World of Tanks to incorporate a WW1 game we'd be better off. I'm convinced that the steady release of esoteric subjects owes a lot to that game's popularity.
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Posted: Thursday, October 10, 2013 - 03:26 AM UTC
I too would welcome some WWI armor.

And I wish I could play WOT on my Imac....
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Posted: Thursday, October 10, 2013 - 04:14 AM UTC
I know Italeri were/or are releasing an FT-17 in 1/35 also. Let's hope we see more WW1 era AFV's or softskins from them.
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Posted: Thursday, October 10, 2013 - 04:28 AM UTC
I'm waiting for a the meng FT17 right now, what would be awesome if the guys from wing nuts did some 1/35 tanks.......well we can see what happens
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Posted: Tuesday, October 15, 2013 - 11:38 AM UTC

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doubt it very much before 2018 at the least - those who have asked various manufacturers have come back with a very negative response from the traditional companies

Of course Meng seems able to whack out excellent kits at a moments notice so I hope for something.









I haven't seen any responses from the various manufacturers. Do you know exactly what they've said?
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Posted: Tuesday, October 15, 2013 - 11:43 AM UTC

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I'm waiting for a the meng FT17 right now, what would be awesome if the guys from wing nuts did some 1/35 tanks.......well we can see what happens










Wingnut's specialized in WW1 aircraft so I think it should be a no brainer for them to branch out into WW1 tanks/vehicles

Maybe some of us should contact them to ask for new tooled Male and Females?
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Posted: Tuesday, October 15, 2013 - 11:43 AM UTC
Master Box have both a Mk I Female and Mk I Male in their In Progress link. Both 1/72 though.

http://www.mbltd.info/proces.htm

Al
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Posted: Tuesday, October 15, 2013 - 11:46 AM UTC

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Master Box have both a Mk I Female and Mk I Male in their In Progress link. Both 1/72 though.

http://www.mbltd.info/proces.htm

Al





So they do. No doubt they'll have bloody rubber tracks though.
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Posted: Tuesday, October 15, 2013 - 12:18 PM UTC

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Master Box have both a Mk I Female and Mk I Male in their In Progress link. Both 1/72 though.

http://www.mbltd.info/proces.htm

Al





So they do. No doubt they'll have bloody rubber tracks though.



When I used to go to the movies there was a line that used to come up from the Rank Organization; "We can't please all the people all the time, but we please most of the people most of the time".

That's probably true for model manufacturers, but why rubbish a kit before it's even been produced? That doesn't exactly inspire them to produce more. You could look at it in a more positive way in so much as there will be 2 more choices coming along for people to choose from.

You may remember the Academy Grant. It go such a slagging Academy haven't produced an Allied kit since as far as I am aware, yet it was 100% better than the old Tamiya kit, yes it had a few issues that they fixed for free and is probably one of the most enjoyable build I've done.

Just a thought.

Al
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Posted: Tuesday, October 15, 2013 - 12:44 PM UTC

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Master Box have both a Mk I Female and Mk I Male in their In Progress link. Both 1/72 though.

http://www.mbltd.info/proces.htm

Al





So they do. No doubt they'll have bloody rubber tracks though.



When I used to go to the movies there was a line that used to come up from the Rank Organization; "We can't please all the people all the time, but we please most of the people most of the time".

That's probably true for model manufacturers, but why rubbish a kit before it's even been produced? That doesn't exactly inspire them to produce more. You could look at it in a more positive way in so much as there will be 2 more choices coming along for people to choose from.

You may remember the Academy Grant. It go such a slagging Academy haven't produced an Allied kit since as far as I am aware, yet it was 100% better than the old Tamiya kit, yes it had a few issues that they fixed for free and is probably one of the most enjoyable build I've done.

Just a thought.

Al






I'm not rubbishing the kit I'm just saying I don't like rubber tracks. And also the Airfix and Emhar kits have rubber tracks already so wouldn't it be nice if MB could at least do some link and lengths which would be a big leap forward and might sway people to buy their kits instead of the dated Airfix and Emhar kits.
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Posted: Tuesday, October 15, 2013 - 01:54 PM UTC

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Master Box have both a Mk I Female and Mk I Male in their In Progress link. Both 1/72 though.

http://www.mbltd.info/proces.htm

Al





So they do. No doubt they'll have bloody rubber tracks though.



When I used to go to the movies there was a line that used to come up from the Rank Organization; "We can't please all the people all the time, but we please most of the people most of the time".

That's probably true for model manufacturers, but why rubbish a kit before it's even been produced? That doesn't exactly inspire them to produce more. You could look at it in a more positive way in so much as there will be 2 more choices coming along for people to choose from.

You may remember the Academy Grant. It go such a slagging Academy haven't produced an Allied kit since as far as I am aware, yet it was 100% better than the old Tamiya kit, yes it had a few issues that they fixed for free and is probably one of the most enjoyable build I've done.

Just a thought.

Al






I'm not rubbishing the kit I'm just saying I don't like rubber tracks. And also the Airfix and Emhar kits have rubber tracks already so wouldn't it be nice if MB could at least do some link and lengths which would be a big leap forward and might sway people to buy their kits instead of the dated Airfix and Emhar kits.



You can thank all the nit picking riviet counters for critising the kit, the rivit counters ruin the fun for the model builders and are the cause for the expensive kit prices


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Posted: Wednesday, October 16, 2013 - 02:53 AM UTC
Do you really think criticism influences manufacturers? If that were the case, Trumpeter would either be making better ship models, or none at all!
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Posted: Wednesday, October 16, 2013 - 06:44 AM UTC

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Master Box have both a Mk I Female and Mk I Male in their In Progress link. Both 1/72 though.

http://www.mbltd.info/proces.htm

Al





So they do. No doubt they'll have bloody rubber tracks though.



When I used to go to the movies there was a line that used to come up from the Rank Organization; "We can't please all the people all the time, but we please most of the people most of the time".

That's probably true for model manufacturers, but why rubbish a kit before it's even been produced? That doesn't exactly inspire them to produce more. You could look at it in a more positive way in so much as there will be 2 more choices coming along for people to choose from.

You may remember the Academy Grant. It go such a slagging Academy haven't produced an Allied kit since as far as I am aware, yet it was 100% better than the old Tamiya kit, yes it had a few issues that they fixed for free and is probably one of the most enjoyable build I've done.

Just a thought.

Al






I'm not rubbishing the kit I'm just saying I don't like rubber tracks. And also the Airfix and Emhar kits have rubber tracks already so wouldn't it be nice if MB could at least do some link and lengths which would be a big leap forward and might sway people to buy their kits instead of the dated Airfix and Emhar kits.



You can thank all the nit picking riviet counters for critising the kit, the rivit counters ruin the fun for the model builders and are the cause for the expensive kit prices








Nick I'm slightly confused. You said the Emhar kit's a dog but then you say rivet counters ruin the fun for modellers and are responsible for higher prices?
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Posted: Wednesday, October 16, 2013 - 08:27 AM UTC

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Maybe some of us should contact them to ask for new tooled Male and Females?


I did that a couple years ago when their aircraft models first came out. Got a replying email in under 2 hours!

Unfortunately, they indicated that while the land side of WW I interested them, they were not looking to do any vehicle kits for the forseeable future. I offered to take any measurements or photographs they wanted of the Canadian Whippet, too!

Bloody shame. I can only imagine how sweet a Wing Nugs Whippet or Mk IV would be, even if it was in 1/32 scale.

Paul
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Posted: Wednesday, October 16, 2013 - 08:29 AM UTC
Well, if "the nit picking rivet counters" are responsible for the new Meng FT-17 - highly accurate with full interior, articulated link-to-link track and PE parts - then I say:

"Thank you nit-picking-rivet-counters of the world."

And, if someone gives us a new-tooled British Male or Female (or any other WWI AFV subject) that's highly accurate with full interior, link-to-link tracks and PE parts, I'll say, "Thank you again nit-picking rivet counters of the world."

After that, I'll go and buy one. Why? Because kits like that are NOT "ruining my fun."
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Posted: Wednesday, October 16, 2013 - 08:31 AM UTC
That's like calling Tamiya's 1970-ish Universal Carrier a dog - which it well deserves - without neccessarily being a rivet counter. Although, to be fair, nothing is really a dog until something better comes along. Still waiting!
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Posted: Wednesday, October 16, 2013 - 08:33 AM UTC
Mastebox's venture into 1/72 has some promise...as does ICM's venture into 1/35 figures. Fingers are crossed that they will carry that further forward into 1/35 tank kits but I'm not holding my breath. Seeing Meng do an FT-17 raises some hope but that vehicle had cross-appeal to WW2 and inter-war bulders as well. Harder to say the same thing for tanks such as the Mk.I and Mk.IV.
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Posted: Wednesday, October 16, 2013 - 08:44 AM UTC

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You can thank all the nit picking riviet counters for critising the kit, the rivit counters ruin the fun for the model builders and are the cause for the expensive kit prices


I'm sorry, but I have to take some exception to both of the ideas expressed in your statement.

Rivet counters (of which I am a card carrying member, just to make an honest declaration) are responsible for telling people how any kit relates to the actual thing. They are not responsible for how anyone reacts to that information,. It is simply information. Certainly some rivet counters add editorial comments to their factual comparisons, but those opinions are as valid as anyone elses. However, when someone states, the XXX kit is 3mm too narrow and 5mm too tall and the decals depict the incorrect vehicle, those comments are mearly facts. Facts have no opinion attached to them at all.

Each aspect of a model either is, or is not closely representative of the actual item being modelled. If someone calls out that a model has many or few errors in accruacy, it is up to the modeller who reads the account how much notice he takes of that information. I always want to know exactly what is or isn't correct on a model so that I can make the choice as to whether or not to correct those flaws. Some I correct and some I do not, but it is my choice and I know what I did and did not do.

What anyone else does is their business.

Knowing the facts about any model I build _increases_ my enjoyment of a model build. If it does not increase yours, then perhaps you avoiding viewing posts where people talk about the accuracy of models may increase your enjoyment of our hobby.

Also, based upon your statement above, it would seem that if modellers did not want the accuracy of the more expensive models of today, those models would not sell and the companies wouldn't make more of them. This seems to be the opposite of what is actually happening, though. In fact, it appears that the revelations of the accuracy or inaccuracies in modern kits actually make model builders strive for even more accuracy, making them prefer accurate kits that are, at the same time, more expensive. Normal people are _not_ going to pay more for a product that they don't want in the first place, ergo, most modellers [u]want[/u] the detail inherant with the more expensive models.

So model companies make more of them and most model builders have more fun with them because they keep going out and buying them.

QED

Paul