Hi Sean

Yes, I did mean the LaGG-3 - you caught me being lazy and trying to save digital ink - all those "G"s add up, you know.

All the best

Rowan

latest count of participants is 9 -

Heavyjagpanzer
Merlin
Amegan
Ludwig113
Windysean
Tinbanger
Jessie_C
Vdejarnette
Bink123 (me)

So all we need is one more victi^Wbrave volunteer to make the 10 needed to get this campaign proposal submitted!

Hi Jessie

I vote we just add Jean-Luc's name to the list - he loves these kind of aircraft! He'll thank us - honestly.

All the best

Rowan

Well, I haven't found my P-39 or P-63 yet, so as long as we don't start before this weekend, I'm game. Put me down.

latest count now is 10

Heavyjagpanzer
Merlin
Amegan
Ludwig113
Windysean
Tinbanger
Jessie_C
Vdejarnette
Bink123 (me)
Md72

Yay! Now off you go to write up a proposal for submission to the campaign admins

I have never participated in a group build before, so I have a question about the proposed campaign. The model that I talked about building (PM Fokker D XXI) I have already started work on. Would this disqualify this model for this campaign? I have not got very far on it, and have a lot more work to do. If this kit is ineligible, I have other kits that I might be able to build, if the campaign last long enough, and I can complete this one in time.

Our usual policy is that the kit must not be started, but campaign leaders have the discretion to allow kits that aren't "too started" so it's up to Richard whether your kit will be eligible.

It's highly likely that this campaign won't be getting under way until next summer at the earliest so there's lots of time to find another candidate if your Fokker is turned down

OK,I am sure when the campaign starts,I will have another kit I can use.

If you allow a Korean War era WW2 fighter, then I'm interested, either the Twin Mustang or the Shooting Star, which first fly at before the end of ww2.

headjagpanzer

I like the '25% Rule' just for situations like this. I don't have a problem, but it would be at my discretion as jessica said, to decide at what % your Fokker is at.

On the other hand, it looks as if it will be some time before this GB may start (if it is accepted) so you may want to carry on with the Fokker, and choose another model for the GB. There should be lots to choose from.

Ian

The F-82 did fly in the summer of 1945, it is true, but was never operational until 1946.

It was a superb long range fighter escort designed to escort B-29's to Japan. However, with the dropping of the atomic bombs, its purpose in WW2 was not realized. It certainly was overshadowed by events, and was much needed in the late 1940's, but WW2, I don't think so. It would not therefore be allowed. Sorry.

As for the Star, I'll get back to you.

As for the P-80 Shooting Stars.

Four P-80's were sent to Europe in January 1945 - two to England, and two to Italy. I think the English ones were for assessment. The two in Italy as 'fighters'

It appears as though the arrival of two P-8o's in Italy in January, February or March 1945 was, and still is, clothed in secrecy. What I have read indicates that they were sent to northern Italy at the same time as the the new German Arado 234 twin engined jets began reconnaissance missions over the same territory. Did the P-80's encounter the Arado's, I can't find out.

Anyway, IMHO, these two were 'operational' and may have had a deterrent effect on the Luftwaffe.

I would say that early production P-80's of this time period would be allowed for this GB.

Luckily a P-80A in 1/48 has just recently been released! You'd need to paint it in a very boring overall glossy light grey and do a little research to determine the serial numbers of the aircraft involved. You'd also need to replace the seat and add the landing light behind the clear nose but at least the nose is clear for you to do that.

I doubt that they ever actually got into combat given that they were still working out procedures at the time the war ended but I know for certain that they did fly in Italy so that has to count.

To correct my previous post re: P-80 Shooting Star, the two sent to Italy were two pre-production YP-80A's. It is not known if they encountered the Arado's but they may have, given that seems like it was hush, hush deployment.

The first recorded Jet on Jet combat victory was a F-80 shooting down a Mig 15 in Korea 1950. Meteors were used against V1 flying bombs, however the V1s were not strictly jets. Meteors never met ME262s and those two were the most common of the Jets, so a P-80 meeting an Arado 234 is extremely unlikely.

I have a Tamiya Meteor F1 in my stash however I recall that that model is based on an example at RAF Cosford that was a mix of Mk1 and MK3 so that might not qualify as WW2.

and count me in too

This sounds like a fun campaign. And a start next summer is something i should be able to squeeze into my schedule. So yeah. I'm in.
Now my only problem is with what..A Iar 80 springs to mind..a PZL 11 would be fun actually. Purely as contrast..Or a Caudron...choices choices choices..
Cliff

Re - the P-80's

My sources are internet based, so not gospel. What is a fact is that two were in Italy in the same area as the Arado's That's all that can be said for sure.

I don't want to exclude aircraft and so it was a difficult decision to exclude the Twin Mustang F-82, which according to internet sources was not 'operational' until 1946.

It is interesting that Gloster's last in house designed production aircraft was the Gladiator. I think they had been working on a monoplane but early in the war their design staff was teamed up with Whittle's group to work on the Meteor.

Hi all,




Yes you can add me to the list of course. And thank you Rowan...

Jean-Luc

Cheers Jean-Luc!

All the best

Rowan

Hmmm found my P-63 but the only markings are for a Soviet plane I'm sure it'll qualify as an overshadowed fighter, I just wanted to do one in American markings.

All you need is a little orange paint and some basic US Stars and Bars...

Ah, I thought that all the pinballs were RP-63G's. If Wiki is reliable, some were P-63A's. I might be able to keep this an all American build.