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Waiting for a new steam locomotive in 1/35th
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Posted: Thursday, December 13, 2018 - 07:07 PM UTC
Yes, I would have to agree with mmeier - I would not classify the BR-52 as exactly a small German locomotive. Perhaps not as monstrous as a Southern Pacific cab-forward articulated or a UP Big Boy but still a large locomotive in its' own right.



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Posted: Thursday, December 13, 2018 - 05:29 PM UTC

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wow that would be a cool build.
PS- the German Locomotives were small were they not?



German steam engines had to fit on the standard turning tables and in the 1920s those where all in the 20-30m length. So the "Einheitsdampfloks" by Dr. Ing Wagner where all sized to the existing infrastructure length-wise AND from the ground-pressure with "light" engines having axel loads up to 16to and heavies up tp 20to. The end result are engines that are smaller than their US counterparts.

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As for "easier to make into a model": Not really given that Trumpeter managed to totally miss the mark with their "looks remotely like a BR52. In the dark. If watched by a blind man". One COULD have understood if their BR52 actually looked like a BR52.80 "Reko" post war refit since most running 52s are of that type. Or a BR50 (their model has a BR50 style tender) but it is neither. Sadly, the 50 and 52 where used past WW2 all over europe.

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As for the BR80: That was a "yard dog" or switcher engine not a long haul maschine. That job would be done by a BR86 or BR64 (and BR78 also that is not a Einheizsdampflok but the re-labeled T18) if you wanted a tank engine or the 52 and 38 aka P8 (post war also 23 and 35) with a tender engine
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Posted: Thursday, December 13, 2018 - 04:55 AM UTC
General Request: - e-mail campaign

Any modelers interested in seeing the S-160 locomotive from Commander Models become a reality, please drop them a brief e-mail to that affect at the following address:

[email protected]

As I have reported elsewhere in this blog the patterns and molds for this kit are complete and have been ready to go for quite some time. We may just need to give them a little "PUSH"!

Commanders is a small but progressive hobby company. If you e-mail them your opinions will be heard!

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Posted: Thursday, December 13, 2018 - 04:16 AM UTC
To repeat a statement made by Dennis Struk over five years ago:
(Unfortunately it is still just as true today!)



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M4A1 Sherman (Dennis M. Struk) said:

You know, it just occurred to me- There isn't a single example of a WWII-vintage 1/35 US Army 2-8-0 Steam Locomotive out there, yet there are 4 or 5 different German ones done by TRUMPETER. I haven't checked BALUARD, because those resin locomotives are pretty pricy... I've got a lot of HO steamers in Brass, and no one makes the US Army 2-8-0 in HO, either- I forget the actual US Army Designator... These steam locomotives were definitely not USRA (US Railroad Administration, WWI) types, but they were specifically built for the US Army to operate in Europe during WWII...




Note: Since then I have seen a brass model of the S-160 locomotive offered in HO.
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Posted: Thursday, December 13, 2018 - 03:32 AM UTC
How about this for a dockside diorama ? !*!*!*!*!*!*!


Note another H.K. Porter 0-6-0 to the left of the photo.
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Posted: Thursday, December 13, 2018 - 03:29 AM UTC
I totally agree.

With all the European locomotives and rolling stock now available from Trumpeter, Thunder, LZ Models and others, we modelers are now well set as far as indigenous European RR equipment goes!
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What is missing now! Models representing the US built equipment (USATC) that flooded the continent shortly after D-Day to fuel the military supply chain.
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2-8-0 US built (by several US manufactures) S-160 Locomotive shown here loading combat wounded somewhere in Eastern France.



0-6-0 light locomotive built by H.K. Porter in the US



US built USATC gondolas unloading from LST's at Normandy (ya didn't know that the railroads also stormed the beaches at Normandy did ya?)


USATC boxcars (I think that one is actually a postwar car - not sure.)
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Posted: Thursday, December 13, 2018 - 12:58 AM UTC
A 1/35th U.S. WWII-era steam locomotive (with some primo rolling stock to accompany it) would be SO, SO sweet!
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Posted: Wednesday, December 12, 2018 - 07:58 PM UTC
Something that could have wartime railroad modeling applications:

Bronco has now added a more heavy duty "double, double" Bailey Bridge to their 1/35th scale line.

This could offer new diorama possibilities for anyone wanting to do a railroad dio that's a bit different.

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Posted: Friday, November 02, 2018 - 07:51 AM UTC
TWO AMERICANS IN EUROPE: The long wheelbase GMC Deuce and a Half and the USATC 0-6-0 Steam Locomotive built by H.K. Porter Co. seen here in the states and sent to Europe as part of the Lend/Lease program:

H.K. Porter went on to build electrical transformers and was later purchased by Square D Company. Square D, a Fortune 100 US electrical manufacturer, was interestingly, to finally be purchased by Group Schneider of France. Schneider is the same company originally responsible for the WWI Schneider French tank and the game changing first ever recoiling artillery piece the Schneider 75.
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Posted: Friday, May 04, 2018 - 07:50 PM UTC
I think Tom is right - in military modeling the German subjects simply get considered first. I would not say a German locomotive is any easier to model than any other.

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Thank you James for your kind offer. I for one could say I would enjoy and file away for future reference any photos of the WP&YRy that you would be willing to offer.


(My sister's photo from her vacation. Had it been me I might have taken the photo of the OTHER end of the train. Photo by Rosemary Welch)
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Posted: Friday, May 04, 2018 - 03:00 AM UTC
Hi Everyone,

It's rare that I offer to take on more work but having looked over this thread I thought I'd make an exception. The amazing engine restoration for the Alaska Rail Road's Engine 557 happens to be located a few miles from my home.

So if anyone is super detailing a model or maybe scratchbuilding one of these jewels then I'd be willing to try and get some photos of any detail areas they might need.

thanks,
Jim
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Posted: Thursday, April 26, 2018 - 12:30 AM UTC

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I suspect you are saying the German engines get modeled more often because they are less of a challenge pattern and mould wise.



Of course it's far more likely just another case of "black cross effect", because WW2 German always sells...
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Posted: Thursday, April 26, 2018 - 12:15 AM UTC
Coming soon to a Hobby Shop near you:



Apparently this new plastic model is the combined effort of Mirror Models, LZ Models and Thunder. (As created originally by Libor Zachoval)

Great news all around!
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Posted: Monday, February 13, 2017 - 09:23 AM UTC
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Posted: Saturday, February 11, 2017 - 01:01 AM UTC
Looks like it will soon be 5 1/35German locomotives- Thundermodel has a BR 80 on their website along with an enclosed piece of rolling stock - ( can we still call it a boxcar ? ). - Richard
Sorry Mike - I just saw you beat me to it - don't know how I missed that !
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Posted: Saturday, February 11, 2017 - 12:04 AM UTC
Small for small duties and big for for heavy duties (BR02, BR52 and others).
The BR80 was only for shunting and this only at Leipzig and Köln!
Therefore the box picture is wrong. The paint of this locomotive is wrong too. This light grey / white was only used presenting a new type for taking photographs.
The old b/w photo stuff wasn't able to take good pics of black machines.
The paint was washable and removed as soon as posible after the picture event!
There was never used a locomotive in action in this color.
This 80 030 in "Fotografieranstrich" is shown in the railway museum in Bochum-Dahlhausen https://de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/DR-Baureihe_80





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Posted: Friday, February 10, 2017 - 11:56 PM UTC
Not all German locomotives were small but then the H.K. Porter 0-6-0 is a small, very European looking locomotive.

I suspect you are saying the German engines get modeled more often because they are less of a challenge pattern and mould wise.
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Posted: Friday, February 10, 2017 - 11:30 PM UTC
wow that would be a cool build.
PS- the German Locomotives were small were they not?
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Posted: Friday, February 10, 2017 - 10:23 PM UTC
Something new on the RR horizon (in 1/35th plastic) from Thunder Models:

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Posted: Tuesday, June 21, 2016 - 07:13 AM UTC
Fred, I certainly second that motion.


Now let's take a moment to raise a glass (or two, or three) to the amazing John Allen and the fine HO railroad modeling work that he did!

I like the line of work you're in!
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Posted: Tuesday, June 21, 2016 - 07:02 AM UTC
That Commander Models S-160 looks like a gem. I hope they release it soon.
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Posted: Tuesday, June 21, 2016 - 06:10 AM UTC
D - Welcome to the Armorama website.

To my knowledge there are gas-mechanical & diesel-mechanical locomotives. (usually small drive shaft connected switchers.)

Then there are diesel-electric locomotives. (the most common type - electrically connected - most common at least in the US.)

And finally there are the rare but beautiful diesel-hydraulic locomotives. Such as the Krauss-Maffei Diesel Hydraulic built in Europe but tested in the US by the Southern Pacific and Rio Grande Railroads over twenty years ago.

However under heavy loads the diesel-hydraulic locomotives were problematic and they did not have the advantages of dynamic braking as did the diesel-electrics.

The latest advancement is the battery-electric locomotive where the dynamic braking forces go to recharge the batteries instead of just being burned off by big heating coils and fans on the roof as excess electricity.

But here we are talking about a steam locomotive, specifically in this case the wartime S-160 which is a 2-8-0 locomotive built by several US manufactures for the US Army Transportation Corps for war export to Europe, Asia, the Middle East and the Orient.


p.s. Oh, and there are also full electric locomotives that run off the overhead catenary wire such as the French GTV, Japanese Bullet Trains or off an electrified third rail like the New York subways and "ells".
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Posted: Tuesday, June 21, 2016 - 01:20 AM UTC
diesel hydralic locos are most oftern not hydralics to the extent i know of only two at standard guage they are usualy some form of automatic box using either torque convertors or fluid flywheels or multiples of both

d!!!
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Posted: Sunday, June 12, 2016 - 06:01 PM UTC
Sadly Commander Models is still listing the S-160 Locomotive as "TBA" on their catalog page. However I still insist the finished model is going to be a real beauty. Looking forward to it!

Here is the link to their catalog page:

http://ironshipwrights.com/armor/s160.html

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Posted: Tuesday, March 08, 2016 - 09:53 PM UTC
Well, every week or so I check the Commander Models page to see if the S-160 is available.

Sadly it is still marked "TBA"

It is holding on the wait track!

http://ironshipwrights.com/armor/armor.html

http://ironshipwrights.com/armor/s160.html