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Armor and ground forces of the Allied forces during World War II.
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Waiting for a new steam locomotive in 1/35th
M4A1Sherman
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Posted: Friday, December 21, 2018 - 11:53 AM UTC
H, Mike and EVERYONE ELSE! I'm back after a lengthy "cooling-off period", (How long can one hold a grudge?), and a steady battle with some serious, major health-issues. Modelling has had to take a back seat to everything else that's been going on with me as far as my health goes, but I hope to get back into the "swing of things" sometime in the next year.

I see that nothing has changed as far as WWII German subject-matter is concerned; new Tigers, Panthers, obscure "Paper-Panzers", pointing SS Officers and MG-42 teams seem to come out on a nearly weekly basis, so I'm not even going to continue in this vein. The GOOD NEWS is that we're seeing a few new 1/35 WWII US/Allied kits on the market recently- These are namely, the new M3A1 Stuart and the M3A1 Scout Car from TAMIYA, with an honorable mention for the new Vietnam War-era M551, and a couple of "modern-day" M551s from another manufacturer, (I forget who), to boot! Guess who's going to buy VOYAGER PE/Resin upgrades for these guys? Nearly countless modern vehicles, both armored and soft-skinned will be keeping us busy, (and POORER), over 2019...

I chose to re-start my correspondence on Armorama, because (1) this site has entertained me over the last couple of months during an arduous convalescence, and (2), I see that this particular blog is STILL active after a period of OVER TWO YEARS! I felt that I had to make at least ONE comment, or add my "two cents" to the rather mild uproar that one of my comments from two years ago helped to create. So, ladies and gentlemen, after two years have gone by, THERE IS STILL NO WWII US Army S-160 2-8-0 Steam Locomotive on the market today. Why is this?

Answer: See my comment above, regarding WWII German subject matter...

No apologies; you WWII German fans know that there is a lot of truth in what I just wrote!

I'm also a bit disappointed that the original subject of this blog has taken a back seat, and has morphed into a discussion of WWII GERMAN Freight Cars. Oh, an honorable mention goes to a tangential subject, it being a VERY short discussion of the WWII US Army's COE "Jimmy" that was adapted to ply he rails of the UK, Europe and a few other locations...

OK, I'll stop harping... Comments, anyone..?
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Posted: Friday, December 21, 2018 - 05:53 AM UTC

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Posting this here because I think the locomotive has barely ever been mentioned in this thread.

Has there ever been a build review of this kit posted anywhere? If so I have yet to see it. It would seem to be a much more modestly sized locomotive than others on the market, yet one with a wealth of detail to satisfy just about any military modeler. I cannot speak however to the model's accuracy without seeing a....



Not out yet... They released other kits first... sadly
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Posted: Friday, December 21, 2018 - 05:31 AM UTC

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Posting this here because I think the locomotive has barely ever been mentioned in this thread.

Has there ever been a build review of this kit posted anywhere? If so I have yet to see it. It would seem to be a much more modestly sized locomotive than others on the market, yet one with a wealth of detail to satisfy just about any military modeler. I cannot speak however to the model's accuracy without seeing a review.

To the best of my knowledge it hasn't been released yet. Can't find it listed for sale on any of the usual websites. I've been keeping my eyes open for it since it was announced.


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Posted: Wednesday, December 19, 2018 - 10:30 AM UTC
More Russian rolling stock coming down the pike, this time from MiniArt! Interestingly the announcement also includes the information that this car maybe built to either 5 foot gauge or 4'-8.5" ! How 'bout dat!



Link to announcement:

http://www.armorama.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=SquawkBox&file=index&req=viewtopic&topic_id=273850
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Posted: Tuesday, December 18, 2018 - 06:10 AM UTC
Posting this here because I think the locomotive has barely ever been mentioned in this thread.

Has there ever been a build review of this kit posted anywhere? If so I have yet to see it. It would seem to be a much more modestly sized locomotive than others on the market, yet one with a wealth of detail to satisfy just about any military modeler. I cannot speak however to the model's accuracy without seeing a review.

165thspc
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Posted: Tuesday, December 18, 2018 - 06:07 AM UTC
Just a thought: Someone mentioned offering a passenger car. Perhaps a model of the car in which the WWI armistice was signed and later the WWII Surender????

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Posted: Tuesday, December 18, 2018 - 04:00 AM UTC
With these Russian cars does Armor 35 also go to the extent of using the correct Russian track gauge of a scale 5 feet or will these work on the "standard" gauge 1/35th scale tracks I already own?

Given Armor 35's high level of accuracy in everything else I suspect these are all built to a true 5 foot gauge but I thought it best to ask.
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Posted: Saturday, December 15, 2018 - 04:54 AM UTC
Armor 35 offers many 1/35 Soviet railway subjects that are small enough to be worked into "typical" dioramas.




https://railroadmodeling.kitmaker.net/modules.php?op=modload&name=Reviews&file=index&req=showmaker&makerid=1448&rid=19
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Posted: Saturday, December 15, 2018 - 04:48 AM UTC
Another WW2 1/35 subject: Panzerspähwagen P204 (f) Railway - WW II German Armoured Vehicle
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Posted: Saturday, December 15, 2018 - 04:42 AM UTC
Military rail units used a variety of locomotives and rolling stock, especially moving supplies closer to the front. They also utilized small lines in liberated areas. Who is intrigued by this 1/35 engine by Smallbrook Studio? (It canb be motorized.)




Smallbrook Studio 1/32-1/35

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Posted: Saturday, December 15, 2018 - 04:22 AM UTC
Hi Guys,

1. Great thread. Loving this. (And don't forget KitMaker Network's very RailRoad Modeling !)

2. BlauBar's scratch BR52 is a feast for the eyes and modeling senses.

3. I want some of those rail wheels for my vehicles.

4. I hope that soon 1/35 railroad models of American/British/French subjects will be introduced. There is a lot of potential for such in smaller scales - especially if you would like some animation. The drawbacks are, unfortunately, price and space. But there is potential! I'll start out with a 1/32 model railroad of the Reichsbahn:

1/32 Scale) German Heavy Freight Locomotive BR 50
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W556ur3R3B4

Models (Wespe) Available
https://model-railroad-hobbyist.com/node/28008

(I forgot what this is )
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xth1pqBhpL4

Overlord Preparation
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=svKunRIP8Ig

1/48 Train Hauling Tanks
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNB-DJssw2o

More 1/32 German model railroading...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SnV-Q84_zgU

Some food for thought.

Keep in mind that not everyone who incorporates military themes into their model railroads knows much about military vehicles and eras.
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Posted: Friday, December 14, 2018 - 09:53 AM UTC
I know that I am right here. I don’t spam out wrong things because if I am not sure about sth, I simply don’t comment.
Michael, I saw no need to post it here, but thanks for stepping in. These new rail-truck kits do look interesting.
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Posted: Friday, December 14, 2018 - 09:45 AM UTC

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Well, IT IS a correct BR52 tender. Your claim (that it is a BR50 tender) is wrong and misleading. It might not be a beautiful one, but it IS a right and real one! And only because you think it does not comply with your ideas is the wrong way arguing.
The kit has many faults, but the tender is correct, though the dimensions of the rear are wrong.
Actually, the 52 6666 tender is quite nice, I walked on top of it a few weeks ago when I took my walk around photos.

Jan, yep, they are nice. Only 2 missing, then I have inspected all German museum 52s Then soll need to go to the East to see some more.



Ja, ja. Du hast Recht, ich meine Ruhe.
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Posted: Friday, December 14, 2018 - 09:45 AM UTC
And finally - something that was covered very early in this thread:

The resin rail wheel set for the US Deuce and a half from Tank Workshop.
(Also currently available on eBay)







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Posted: Friday, December 14, 2018 - 09:40 AM UTC
Now something I was aware of from Lead Warrior is this beautiful conversion for the Tamiya Steyr. (Available in both road wheel and rail mounted versions.)


(Currently available on eBay.)
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Posted: Friday, December 14, 2018 - 09:38 AM UTC
Again under the heading "News to me":

Here is something from MiniArt that I stumbled across today I did not know existed:
(Currently available on eBay.)



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Posted: Friday, December 14, 2018 - 03:39 AM UTC
Since Stef isn't pointing this out himself I will chime in;
Here we have a fellow who has risen to the challenge of doing a correct BR52 by SCRATCH BUILDING one himself!

His progress can be followed on Armorama at the following link:

https://www.armorama.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=SquawkBox&file=index&req=viewtopic&topic_id=254420
Blaubar
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Posted: Friday, December 14, 2018 - 03:09 AM UTC
Well, IT IS a correct BR52 tender. Your claim (that it is a BR50 tender) is wrong and misleading. It might not be a beautiful one, but it IS a right and real one! And only because you think it does not comply with your ideas is the wrong way arguing.
The kit has many faults, but the tender is correct, though the dimensions of the rear are wrong.
Actually, the 52 6666 tender is quite nice, I walked on top of it a few weeks ago when I took my walk around photos.

Jan, yep, they are nice. Only 2 missing, then I have inspected all German museum 52s Then soll need to go to the East to see some more.
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Posted: Friday, December 14, 2018 - 02:33 AM UTC
Also check Mario Rapinett Modvid site!!!!
http://modvid.com.au
For all UK modellers, guess who's there.
One of the most impressive railway modelling from all over the world you can see here. Just click some buttons.
See you next week!

Kind regards,

Robert Jan
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Posted: Friday, December 14, 2018 - 02:19 AM UTC
And this nice one. Impressive to stand on the platform to this steamed up, I can tell you.Most friendly people in a museum you will ever engage. They just invite you to come closer. Kids have the time of their live (like me).

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Posted: Friday, December 14, 2018 - 01:55 AM UTC
I've this seen this beauty 2 or 3 times before I moved to Thailand. Absolutely beautiful. Check the link. A full restoration after many years.
http://www.scalewarmachines.com/allcontent/br-52-kriegslok-walkaround

Kind regards,

Robert Jan
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Posted: Friday, December 14, 2018 - 12:33 AM UTC

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No, LZ parts do help adding detail, but after al they do little to address the problems with the frame, smoke box tower and spring equalization system. Trumpeter did also mix plate and bar frame concepts😂.

Nmeier: “their model has a BR50 style tender” how on earth did you draw that conclusion? The K4T30 tender was specifically designed for the BR52 by WLF. With that respect, they have actually done something right😂. It might not have been common, as the Wannentender variants (K2’2’T2630,5 or K2’2’T32 - K4T34 - K4 T34*...) were predominant and had better running gear performance, especially when driving in reverse... but the trumpeter tender is a correct BR52 one!
The 4T30 was the BR50 Steifrahmentender as it was built for an open cabin, but not the K4T30.
There is a listing of problems with the kit. I am adding more along the way:
https://www.flickr.com/gp/blaubar/9v8W6D
Have a good day.



As you said - the STYLE of tender was rather uncommon with the BR52 that was (and is) commonly used with the "Wanne". A 52 without the "fat ass" simply "looks wrong" and adds to the "not a 52" feeling of the Trumpeter kit
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Posted: Thursday, December 13, 2018 - 10:28 PM UTC
Don't forget the BR52 in fact is a skinned BR50. It's designed to achieve a reduction of costs, materials and production time (and quality).
Longtime ago their was a man on a Dutch Armour forum called Jan, be came from Groningen in the Netherlands. He did an awesome 'rebuild' of the Trumpeter BR52 with a complete redo of the locomotives frame, bogies, piping, cabin and the tender, etc. Using LZ aftermarket and a lot of scratch building from his side. I think Libor was starting up his business by that time, 2012 / 2013. Jan got, as I remember a lot of samples from his friend Libor. Sadly I can't find him on the net anymore. Libor, as I remember showed the aftermarket parts on the model of Jan(correct me if I'm wrong Libor). 2012 / 2013 is a longtime ago.

Kind regards,

Robert Jan
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Posted: Thursday, December 13, 2018 - 08:12 PM UTC
No, LZ parts do help adding detail, but after al they do little to address the problems with the frame, smoke box tower and spring equalization system. Trumpeter did also mix plate and bar frame concepts😂.

Nmeier: “their model has a BR50 style tender” how on earth did you draw that conclusion? The K4T30 tender was specifically designed for the BR52 by WLF. With that respect, they have actually done something right😂. It might not have been common, as the Wannentender variants (K2’2’T2630,5 or K2’2’T32 - K4T34 - K4 T34*...) were predominant and had better running gear performance, especially when driving in reverse... but the trumpeter tender is a correct BR52 one!
The 4T30 was the BR50 Steifrahmentender as it was built for an open cabin, but not the K4T30.
There is a listing of problems with the kit. I am adding more along the way:
https://www.flickr.com/gp/blaubar/9v8W6D
Have a good day.
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Posted: Thursday, December 13, 2018 - 07:12 PM UTC
Question for mmeier:

What is your opinion of the Trumpeter BR52 model with the addition of the many missing parts offered in resin by LZ Models plus their very nice remake of the compound air compressor?

Do these additions and improvements go far enough in your mind to correct the failings of the Trumpeter model?