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P-47D "Rozzie Geth" (Tamiya, 48th)
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Posted: Thursday, December 08, 2011 - 10:01 PM UTC
you could try the stick on abrasive pads for things like sanders ( they do circular ones for car bodywork sanders ) you'd probably get one for free if you grovelled enough at your nearest car body shop !!
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Posted: Thursday, December 08, 2011 - 09:31 PM UTC

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try skateboard grip tape !!



I wish I could, that stuff is illogically expensive in Turkey. Not many people are into skateboarding, so I guess they think "Uuu if they are into skateboarding they must be rich!". And maybe that mentality is the reason that people aren't interested in skateboarding in my country, huh?

I found a similar item though. Car modifications are very popular nowadays and people like to "pimp up" their cars by covering them with flat black foil (which I think is ridicilous). Since demand is huge, that stuff is widely available and very cheap. I will try using the tray as it is. If it proves too hard to use, then I'll "pimp up" my tray!

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Posted: Thursday, December 08, 2011 - 08:38 PM UTC
well i for one already knew that !!
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Posted: Thursday, December 08, 2011 - 11:09 AM UTC

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"rozzie death"
"Boche Busted"



You are a sick pair of puppies !

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Posted: Wednesday, December 07, 2011 - 08:44 PM UTC

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that'd be"rozzie death" then !!



"Boche Busted"

Nige



the engine looks saveable for a dio !!
tornado64
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Posted: Wednesday, December 07, 2011 - 08:41 PM UTC

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Thanks Diego.

The only problem is the tray is made of wood and its surface is glossed up. I must find a way to make it a matt surface, maybe spray primer on it or something.





try skateboard grip tape !! http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/UNION-BLACK-SKATEBOARD-GRIPTAPE-9-x-33-GRIP-TAPE-/250576203522?pt=UK_Sporting_Goods_Skateboarding_Skating_ET&hash=item3a57816f02
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Posted: Wednesday, December 07, 2011 - 08:41 PM UTC

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that'd be"rozzie death" then !!



"Boche Busted"

Nige
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Posted: Wednesday, December 07, 2011 - 08:35 PM UTC
that'd be"rozzie death" then !!
emroglan
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Posted: Wednesday, December 07, 2011 - 12:07 PM UTC
Thanks Diego.

I plan to visit IKEA today and purchase their circular serving tray, which can rotate. It's diameter is 30 cm and should give a lot of space to work compared to Tamiya's stand (which was too small for the P-47 and was indirectly responsible for the accidents). The only problem is the tray is made of wood and its surface is glossed up. I must find a way to make it a matt surface, maybe spray primer on it or something.

Yeah, the year didn't end yet, but my modelling enthusiasm did. I have an important licensing exam next week and it's stressing me out. I think until the exam I won't be touching anything. We'll see.

Your English is perfectly fine. I can easily understand you. Compared to Turks who claim they are good English speakers around me, you are an English language professor
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Posted: Wednesday, December 07, 2011 - 04:39 AM UTC
Hi Emre,

And I´m sorry for your bad, bad day...

I hope you feel better in a few days...

I can not perform more than two buildings a year, so 12 from 13 its a good ratio (statitistically meaning) any way; and the year not endid yet...

For the future, may be, can you take in consideration the folowing idea...
http://www.model34.com/index.php?topic=289.0

The link it´s in Spanish, but the pics speak by itself... may be you can perform an adaptation your support device...? I do not know but take a look when you wand...

Smile

See you latter...

P/D I´m sorry for my English, the Grammar and the ortography are not my stroger points...
emroglan
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Posted: Wednesday, December 07, 2011 - 02:37 AM UTC
I had sprayed a gloss coat over the P-47 and was preparing for decals when everything started to go terribly wrong. Decals splintered, the model fell of the bench and damaged its paint again, Microsol spilled all over the place. All the while I was getting more furious and furious...



And then the unthinkable happened. The kit slipped and fell and I don't know how but it managed to slice my hand while doing so...



Which in turn caused my safety switches to turn off, and I pushed my fury to MAX. The modelling gods demanded their sacrifice in blood, so yes, they got their sacrifice!



And this is the end to my building blog. I don't think I will be touching any plastic models very soon. Although unlucky 13 is not a common superstition in Turkey, I am beginning to see some sense in it (this was my 13th aircraft build for the year).

emroglan
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Posted: Monday, December 05, 2011 - 07:04 PM UTC
Thank you Diego! I can recommend Gunze's Mr Surfacer 1200 or Tamiya's grey colored (and very bad smelling) primer. I have used both and they are nice.
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Posted: Monday, December 05, 2011 - 05:17 PM UTC
Hi, Emre

It's looking good for me...

Specially after the solvent accident... that shows my how important is a good primer, and now I belive it's an smart investment pick up some jars on my next paints purchase...

I really enjoy your buildings... Thanks

Diego
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Posted: Monday, December 05, 2011 - 03:01 PM UTC
Rescue operations began yesterday evening. With a wet 800 grid sandpaper, I smoothed out the damaged paint areas. As Mr Surfacer thankfully protected the plastic in most areas, the damage was mostly gone with careful sanding. A few damaged spots remained, but they can easily be hidden with paint and weathering.

The P-47 is ready to receive another coat of olive drab.



Yesterday night the P-47 was sprayed with olive drab, last checks were made against damaged areas showing through and I went to bed.

Today I got up very early and after kickstarting my own engine with coffee, I settled down to work. I tried to create different shades of olive drab by adding Tamiya's XF-3 Yellow, XF-4 Yellow-Green and XF-57 Buff, as well as some Gunze H-311 Light Grey to my base olive drab (Gunze's H52). I also made some passes in the direction of flight and did some shading on the panel lines, using a paint mixture of H-52 Olive Drab and flat black.

Please let me know what you think. If all is well, I will mask and paint the white stripes on the rudder, stabilizators and the engine cowling.



emroglan
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Posted: Monday, December 05, 2011 - 01:48 AM UTC

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I HATE

every so often the modelling gods demand their sacrifice...




Well I consulted the shaman and he told me an Eduard Bf 110D was sacrifice enough for the modelling gods, so I'm kind of baffled as to why this happened

Jessie, I don't have anywhere left to stash new boxes or the life span to build them all, so your method probably wouldn't work! (besides I would be endangering my life by subjecting to myself to the wrath of our "House God").

I have nearly completed sanding off the ruined paint. It looks like using primer saved the day, as Mr Surfacer 1200 somehow resisted the fury of the lacquer thinner and held it off, so the plastic underneath was saved. Another proper coat of Olive Drab should do the trick.

As for the canopy, I'm not so hopeful. The worst case, I'll do as Jessie suggested and cover the cockpit with a tarp. It would be easier than trying to remove the canopy and replace it with a vacuform one.
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Posted: Monday, December 05, 2011 - 12:34 AM UTC
Oh dear. I always use disasters like that as a sign that I'm supposed to go out and get another model.
It looks like a careful session of sanding and a vac canopy will be able to salvage your model. Perhaps it could sit in a vignette with a tarp over the canopy and a bit here and there missing? You could make it a real hangar queen for the hangar queen campaign
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Posted: Sunday, December 04, 2011 - 11:55 PM UTC
I HATE it when that happens!!!

every so often the modelling gods demand their sacrifice...


good luck trying to recover it. I usually shelve a project when something like this happens and come back to many months later, once my ego has recovered.
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Posted: Sunday, December 04, 2011 - 09:43 PM UTC
Unfortunate, but that kind of thing happens all of us occasionally. I'd cool off a couple of days then reexamine it. It takes a lot for a build to be unsalvageable.

Regards;

Automaton
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Posted: Sunday, December 04, 2011 - 12:52 PM UTC
So much for speed building.

I was happily painting my model and had completed spraying olive drab for the upper surfaces.



Then I was about to apply different shades and simulate fading when disaster struck. The model fell of the bench suddenly, getting tangled and pulling my airbrush hose, which then tipped my hand holding the airbrush. The lacquer thinner in the airbrush spilled and met with the airborne P-47 and then the kit crashed into my lap. Within two seconds, all my clothes were ruined by olive drab color, the P-47 was ruined as the paint on it and its canopy were melted.



What's more, while I was trying to clean up my airbrush after 5 minutes after this incident, my enamel thinner bottle literally burst, making an enamel mess of everything around and burning my right hand somewhat.

This was my 13th aircraft kit this year, maybe I should be superstitious? I'm rather depressed at the moment and might abandon modelling altogether for sometime. Or I might use my rage on the kit and try to repair it. I don't know.
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Posted: Friday, December 02, 2011 - 04:57 AM UTC
Thanks for the info Nigel!

As for fast building... I think giving modelling 1-2 hours each day consistently allows you to do a lot. You should see how much modelling some of the retired folk in my local modelling community can do, compared to them I progress at the speed of a turtle!

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Posted: Friday, December 02, 2011 - 04:23 AM UTC
Just mask off the turbine part which you've already sprayed and paint the rest the underside colour.

Looking good. I have no idea how anybody can build so fast though!
Nige
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Posted: Thursday, December 01, 2011 - 09:20 PM UTC
I'm also posting progress at P-47 heaven, but just in case anyone wonders, I will also post here.

The famous Double Wasp engine was assembled and then given a Dark Wash from MIG productions.



Tamiya gives everything in sub-assemblies, which are then put together. Here are the main assemblies. Be mindful that the two wing root struts are a little thick, if you think them a little by sanding it makes a better fit.



With the canopy in place and masked, I can finally move to the stage I like most: Painting. I will probably use Mr Surfacer 1200 first, though...



At this stage, I have one important question that I also asked in P-47 forum. There's a part half hidden in a bulge underneath the plane (namely B-18 in the Tamiya kit). The instructions call to paint this part with a mixture of red and metallic grey and I used Burnt Iron to simulate that. What I can't figure out is how much of the part should actually be that color and how much should be Neutral Gray like the remaining underside? The part that is glued after B-18 (B-2) looks like an extension of the same thing. Will that be also gray or burnt iron?



I'm talking about the dark colored part underneath the bulge.
emroglan
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Posted: Thursday, December 01, 2011 - 08:21 PM UTC
Hi Mark,

I wasn't able to use the propeller, so I didn't assemble it. As for the difference, as far as I can see the propeller hub is almost the same. The difference is at the propeller blades. Their shape and width are different compared to Tamiya's propeller. However, unless you put them side by side it's not very noticable. I should also note that I bought that part entirely by mistake. I thought I ordered P-47 closed hub wheels, but ended up with a Hamilton propeller
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Posted: Thursday, December 01, 2011 - 02:08 PM UTC
Hi Emre,

Nice start to a great kit! Looking forward to this build.

What are your thoughtson the Ultracast prop? is it worth it over the kit part?
emroglan
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Posted: Wednesday, November 30, 2011 - 10:20 PM UTC
Oh yes, good thing you made me remember that campaign Mr Shameless Self-Promoter If joining late is no problem I will gladly join. I think I should be able to complete my kit within December.