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How to model a T-64
trakpin
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Posted: Sunday, July 19, 2015 - 12:11 AM UTC
why can't thing be simple

found a vid that might be of interest, WITH text translation

https://www.google.ca/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=video&cd=41&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CBsQtwIwADgoahUKEwiTrMLl-ufGAhXTi5IKHb_ZDxc&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3Ds3p_lCxsunI&ei=if6rVdPDKtOXygS_s7-4AQ&usg=AFQjCNHq--b3yYPYWUMCkMt_9xUBDbXWUw
trakpin
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Posted: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 - 09:11 PM UTC
just got it, 2 days earlier than expected, and it looks [email protected] nice. wondering about estates 1/2, tho. if 2 doesn't have the AAmg, why the spare ammo boxes on the turret side, and can they be left off. thx
Jacques
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Posted: Wednesday, July 22, 2015 - 08:25 AM UTC
Again, I think all T-64's had the AAMG. You may be thinking of the T-62 which had no AAMG on the m60, m62, or m67 versions but got them on the m72 builds.
trakpin
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Posted: Wednesday, July 22, 2015 - 03:56 PM UTC
nope, the instructions shows estate 2 as having no AAMG, tho they been wrong on occasion. did find 3 pix. the first may be a prototype as it doesn't have that splash guard on the upper glacis







another thing I'm wondering about, and noticed on inspecting the sprues. there're 2 fuel tank sponsons, but 1 has a storage bin at the front. what version would that be suitable for?
trakpin
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Posted: Wednesday, July 29, 2015 - 02:14 AM UTC
about the PE for this kit. the splash guards, don't recall part #s, fitted to the inside of the front fenders should be reversed, so that what's meant for the left goes right so that the bolt detail on the small tabs is on the OUTside.
Jacques
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Posted: Wednesday, July 29, 2015 - 07:27 AM UTC
Your top picture is one of the prototypes, so no AAMG.

The other two pictures are museum pieces. No AAMG's on them as they are museum pieces.

Just so we get this correct, because you have a point, the initial T-64 produced in 1961-66 was based on Obiekt 432 with a 115mm main gun and no AAMG. About 600 of these were produced, but they were only considered in limited production, mainly to work out the bugs in production. In 1967 serial production of the T-64A, based on Obiekt 434 with the 125mm main gun, started. In 1979-81 ALL T-64's, regardless of production time, were rebuilt to T-64A specifications which included adding the AAMG to the initial T-64 batch, as well as unifying the storage design on the fenders, among other things. I am not sure how many 115mm armed T-64 were rebuilt and how many scrapped at this point but enough were rebuilt that they were renamed T-64R to differentiate them from the 125mm armed versions. As the initial batch of T-64's came up for need of overhaul after 1981, they were retired, as their need for 115mm ammo complicated the supply system for T-64 units.

And that is why the 115mm armed T-64 can have, and not have, an AAMG. However, I was not thinking about the 115mm version as I am not sure how much use it got in field as the initial production T-64's were very unreliable.
trakpin
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Posted: Wednesday, July 29, 2015 - 03:33 PM UTC
thx. kind of a pest, huh lol. 67 it gets the 125, so that works for what I wanted to do with mine. have it set in 68 while the west was preoccupied with the Prague Spring, the sovs make a sudden, suprise thrust into the Fulda Gap. makes sense the 64 woulda been involved, even tho it wasn't yet deployed to the GSFG
aristeidis
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Posted: Wednesday, August 12, 2015 - 12:27 PM UTC
Comparing T-64U and T-64 BULAT are there any external differences except the wind sensor at the back of the turret?
DmitryMarkov
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Posted: Sunday, October 25, 2015 - 10:38 PM UTC
First photo - initial T-64
Second photo - commander's version T-64AK - it has A-version turret, early A-version hull with no extra armor on VLD (glassis), no AAMG and antenna between commander's cupola and rangefinder.
Though for most part AK's I've seen were produced after 1981 and were equipped with Tuchas , there are a lot photos in Internet of similar tanks without Tuchas.

As for U and Bulat versions - have to ask colleagues from Ukraina or you may visit Chobitok's site http://armor.kiev.ua/Tanks/Modern/T64/bm.php

Best Regards!
Dmitry
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Posted: Sunday, October 25, 2015 - 11:14 PM UTC

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Hi Guys,

I have just got the T-64B Mod 1975 from Trumpeter and I cant seem to find any T-64B Mod 1975 photographs of this tank without smoke dischargers... the "B" model seems to have them in all photographs I have... Am I missing something here or can it be built straight out of the box?

Anto



Hi! I've started lurking this thread only recently - as far as B-1975 version goes, me most trusted reference are photos here: http://karopka.ru/forum/forum188/topic20549/ These photos of a 104 board number are the only proven photos of a 1975 B-version. They also figure in a 2001y. T-64 book by Sergey Suvorov.
roteck
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Posted: Saturday, November 28, 2015 - 08:10 PM UTC
Good day T-64 experts,

I got a question for all of you. I recently bought Trumpeter T-64B Mod 1975, item #01581 and at step 6, you have the option of installing different side skirts, one option has gill armor and the other, full length side skirts. I'm wondering what to do here and why the differences.

Thank you in advance for your answers,

Christian
Jacques
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Posted: Monday, November 30, 2015 - 06:31 AM UTC
The gill armor is earlier, the full side skirts are for rebuilds later.
RLlockie
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Posted: Monday, November 30, 2015 - 01:01 PM UTC
The full length rubber skirts started to be fitted from January 1980. Obviously they were installed on older vehicles during periodic rebuilds, along with other updates that were current at that time. Therefore it would be very unusual (I'm not saying impossible) to see one with side skirts but no thermal sleeve (1975) or gill armour and ERA (1985).
roteck
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Posted: Monday, November 30, 2015 - 11:04 PM UTC

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The gill armor is earlier, the full side skirts are for rebuilds later.




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The full length rubber skirts started to be fitted from January 1980. Obviously they were installed on older vehicles during periodic rebuilds, along with other updates that were current at that time. Therefore it would be very unusual (I'm not saying impossible) to see one with side skirts but no thermal sleeve (1975) or gill armour and ERA (1985).



Thanks a bunch guys. I find that trumpeter should have included this information in the instruction sheet, but hey... it all justify the existence of these awesome forums! :-)

Cheers,

Christian
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Posted: Tuesday, December 01, 2015 - 01:13 AM UTC
Well it would be nice if manufacturers provided accurate information in their instructions but that assumes that they have access to it at the time. T-64 is not exactly well covered in non-Russian sources (in this sort of detail anyway) and had it not been for Sayenko and Chobitok's work I would be having to guess at it myself.

I'm happy if they provide accurate parts as working out which of the ones provided to use for my project is generally easier than making them from scratch, particularly if I don't have a real one available to measure first.
roteck
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Posted: Tuesday, December 01, 2015 - 01:47 AM UTC

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Well it would be nice if manufacturers provided accurate information in their instructions but that assumes that they have access to it at the time. T-64 is not exactly well covered in non-Russian sources (in this sort of detail anyway) and had it not been for Sayenko and Chobitok's work I would be having to guess at it myself.

I'm happy if they provide accurate parts as working out which of the ones provided to use for my project is generally easier than making them from scratch, particularly if I don't have a real one available to measure first.



Well said and I agree with you! I'm very happy to have a bunch of T-64 to choose from for my builds, I've always been attracted to the T-64 family.

Christian
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Posted: Tuesday, December 13, 2016 - 03:00 AM UTC
Lets see if I can breath some life into this subject. I am working on the Trumpie T-64B 1975. Question is rear facing spot light on turret, yes or no? Instructions dont call for it, not that that means anything. I've seen photos with and without but am fuzzy as to if they are As or Bs. Also, if mounted are they white or IR. (I'd think white. I'd think they were more of a work light.)
DmitryMarkov
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Posted: Sunday, January 08, 2017 - 03:18 PM UTC

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Lets see if I can breath some life into this subject. I am working on the Trumpie T-64B 1975. Question is rear facing spot light on turret, yes or no? Instructions dont call for it, not that that means anything. I've seen photos with and without but am fuzzy as to if they are As or Bs. Also, if mounted are they white or IR. (I'd think white. I'd think they were more of a work light.)



In Soviet Army it was in most cases mounted. Also it was white and usually carried a cover with cut-through unit number stencils.
Like here:
https://postimg.cc/image/v9xr5rnnd/

Best Regards,
Dmitry
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Posted: Saturday, March 28, 2020 - 11:35 AM UTC

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Your top picture is one of the prototypes, so no AAMG.

The other two pictures are museum pieces. No AAMG's on them as they are museum pieces.

Just so we get this correct, because you have a point, the initial T-64 produced in 1961-66 was based on Obiekt 432 with a 115mm main gun and no AAMG. About 600 of these were produced, but they were only considered in limited production, mainly to work out the bugs in production. In 1967 serial production of the T-64A, based on Obiekt 434 with the 125mm main gun, started. In 1979-81 ALL T-64's, regardless of production time, were rebuilt to T-64A specifications which included adding the AAMG to the initial T-64 batch, as well as unifying the storage design on the fenders, among other things. I am not sure how many 115mm armed T-64 were rebuilt and how many scrapped at this point but enough were rebuilt that they were renamed T-64R to differentiate them from the 125mm armed versions. As the initial batch of T-64's came up for need of overhaul after 1981, they were retired, as their need for 115mm ammo complicated the supply system for T-64 units.

And that is why the 115mm armed T-64 can have, and not have, an AAMG. However, I was not thinking about the 115mm version as I am not sure how much use it got in field as the initial production T-64's were very unreliable.




Great clarification, so what mechanism do we have to make the this original t64 with 115mm gun. Is the turret identical to the 64A? The video footage around shows what I believe is early 64 with no external fuel drums on rear, with the snorkel mounted on rear engine deck. The hull seems to be missing the splash guards etc.
Is there a combination of Skif Trumpeter and SP Designs to achieve this early version readily.
Jacques
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Posted: Wednesday, April 08, 2020 - 04:25 PM UTC
I do not know of a specific kit that makes a correct T-64 m66, nor of a specific conversion. However, it looks like you could backdate the Trumpeter T-64A m1972 kit 01578. The main gun needs to be changed to a 115mm D-68 (2A21). You should be able to use a T-62 barrel. The gill armor, the IR Searchlight, and the suspension unit on the forth road wheel need to be removed. The hardest part will be removing the TPD-2-1 sight(across half the turret) and replacing it a new sight nearer the front of the turret face. I am unsure if the gunners sight is also changed. Google Obiekt 432 to see what I mean.

I will also ask Sergej at SP Designs to see if he may want to create this conversion for the Trumpeter kit. But don't hold your breath, even if he wants to do it, it may take a while.

link to review of Trumpeter 01578
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Posted: Wednesday, April 08, 2020 - 11:49 PM UTC
See also:

https://www.armorama.co.uk/modules.php?op=modload&name=SquawkBox&file=index&req=viewtopic&topic_id=284152

115mm Armed T-64
Jacques
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Posted: Thursday, April 09, 2020 - 04:53 PM UTC
Nice photos of the T-64R (T-64 Rebuild) that clearly illustrate the shape of the T-64 turret with the 115mm gun and different optics setup.

T-64R