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Fokker D.VII (MAG)
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Posted: Tuesday, May 18, 2010 - 05:41 PM UTC

At the end of the war the allies wanted every example of the Fokker D.VII they could lay their hands on. The plants building them were the parent company of Fokker at Schwerin, also under license by OAW (East German Albatros Works)at Schneidemuhl, Albatros Works at Johannistahl and Ungarische Allgemeine Machinenfabrik A G (MÁG). Here Eduard gives us the latter.

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Thanks!
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Posted: Wednesday, May 19, 2010 - 03:06 AM UTC
Most excellent review Stephen . This looks like one of Eduard's best engines to date . Very nice level of detail. Nice to see lozenge for the rib taping as well .
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Posted: Sunday, June 27, 2010 - 04:18 AM UTC
Here it is built up at Modellbrno show.

Sorry folks images no longer available.


Try this Weekend kit review at Aeroscale

Guitarlute's finished build here.
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Posted: Monday, July 26, 2010 - 12:47 AM UTC
Nice review. Thanks a lot for all the details of the kit. Very tempting to buy this kit - a Fokker in overall Lozenge camo. Pleasing for the eye.....

Funny with the small tale of how the kits are produced and sold out during the night
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Posted: Friday, June 07, 2013 - 06:36 AM UTC
Working on more Fokker D.VII kits for my other diorama. I have decided to cannabalize one MAG from the dual kit and do a diorama with the other. Deal is the original six Fokker D.VII aircraft that were sent to MAG did not have engines installed. All of the Austro-Daimler motors were in Austro-Hungary and I am thinking an engine installation diorama might be the ticket.
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Posted: Sunday, June 09, 2013 - 10:17 AM UTC
My first VVS Fokker D.VII build started with a Roden 1:48 scale Fokker D.VII. The amount of photos available are minimal so I stick to the basis. Blue Rider did the decals. Serial no. unknown, 2nd Soviet Aviatryad, 1922. Aircraft is Dark Green on all upper surfaces and wheel covers, with Pale Blue lower surfaces. Forward fuselage and cowling is finished in a deeper shade of Dark Green than the rest of the aircraft.

The amount of photos available are minimal so I stick to the basis. Blue Rider did the decals. Serial no. unknown, 2nd Soviet Aviatryad, 1922. Aircraft is Dark Green on all upper surfaces and wheel covers, with Pale Blue lower surfaces.

It seems that the machine is purchased in 1922. Fokker sold 50 D.VII, C.I & C.III types to the Soviets. The shipment was sent by sea from Amsterdam arriving at Petrograd in May 1922. These were detailed to fighter units in Petrograd, Moscow and Kiev. The last components of this shipment were written off in 1930. Fokker was still using BMW and Mercedes motors in these airframes. Though I am of the opinion that the Mercedes may have been rebuilt versions rather than newer manufactured motors.






Here is a bit more on the subject;
This Fokker was part of No. 1 OIAE stationed at Petrograd (Leningrad) in 1923. Pilot was A. T. Kozhevnikov. The aircraft of the squadron appear to have been divided into three flights of five plus a leaders aircraft. Here we have the squadron leaders aircraft, the famous Pharaoh emblem was Kozhevnikov's personal badge.



From the artist;
"Profile Accuracy - This Profile is based on a single lineup photo of the 1'st OIAE. The Pharaoh badge was traced from a photograph of the same badge applied to a Fokker C.III trainer. The Profile is fairly accurate. Only the presence of the red stars is conjectural since no photo clearly shows either upper or lower wing stars. Judging from photos of other types of contemporary Soviet aircraft these would have been present. It is possible that the upper wing star was not applied. One final note concerning the Pharaoh badge. There has been some speculation that the areas I have interpreted as Lapiz Lazuli Blue were red on the original. I chose to stick with my blue since it is very common in ancient Egyptian art but in the interest of accuracy it should be noted that the matter has been debated. "

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Posted: Sunday, June 09, 2013 - 10:39 AM UTC


ICM 1:48 VVS Figures with basic colours. The middle walking figure was of course used with the previously menbtioned VVS Fokker D.VII. The others will be dedicated to the next diorama.
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Posted: Saturday, June 15, 2013 - 12:28 PM UTC
Here is a bit of fun for reference with my project.

VVS album
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Posted: Tuesday, June 18, 2013 - 05:22 AM UTC
Since this will be so soon after WWI I will will use some of the WWM kits to represnt a few Hungarian troops post war. At first before a standardized uniform they would have worn their Austro-Hungarian versions with the Soviet pins and ranks added.

Here is a bit on the Hungarian Regency & Soviet political relations. Hungarian History post WWI



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Posted: Friday, June 21, 2013 - 05:32 PM UTC
Here is a comparison of the Eduard and Karaya Austro-Daimler 200-220hp in 1:48.


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Posted: Friday, June 21, 2013 - 06:25 PM UTC
Now lets discuss some differences in the German & MAG built Fokker D.VII airframes. First the MAG built version.



Since the magnetos were located on the front of the Austro-Daimler motor the access hatches were also located at the front of the engine cowlings. So also was the first engine louvre on each side moved back from the normal location. This means the first six delivered from Schwerin had Daimler motors installed and cowlings were modified after they arrived at MAG. The propellers were fitted to the engine type and were of Austro-Hungarian parentage too.

Here is the German version. (The motor here represents a BMW).
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Posted: Friday, June 21, 2013 - 06:44 PM UTC
If you want to expose the engine by removing the upper engine cowlings you may want to add some simulated structures. Here is a composite from the Royal build noting the kit's lack of engine support structure. Instead a simple shelf is employed.



Here is a full sized modern replica.
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Posted: Friday, June 21, 2013 - 06:51 PM UTC
If you have any engine parts left over from a Roden Fokker D.VII kit there will be enough detail there to liven things up.

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Posted: Friday, June 21, 2013 - 06:51 PM UTC
Here we assemble the lower wing parts (PP A 2 & 3, B 1.) One could actually insert spars held in place with double sided tape or glued in place. This type of wing assembly is great for the modeler who wants to simulate damage. By thinning down the inner surfaces, internal structure is easy to replicate. Also, before putting the lower wing together sand the vertical edge of the lower wing halves at the roots of all lower wing components (PP A 2 & 3, B 1.) The unmodified fit between the lower wing an fuselage is tight and cause anhedral just like the Roden kit. This fix will eliminate the fit problem. Do Not narrow the whole fuselage by taking away from the center union area.



Here three edges are modified and one edge is shown unmodified to let you know how much you need to remove.
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Posted: Friday, June 21, 2013 - 06:57 PM UTC
Here is the German axle wing (PP B 7, F 5 & 6 ) with the mid section (PP B 7) I routed out the plastic axle will be replaced it with a brass rod of appropriate diameter.



I did the same thing for the "MAG" axle wing. (It seems closer to an Johannistahl "Albatros" version with the exposed shock chords).





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Posted: Friday, June 21, 2013 - 10:06 PM UTC
Ola Stephen

Wonderful work so far. Those 1:48 kits are pretty nice.
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Posted: Saturday, June 22, 2013 - 04:24 PM UTC
Thanks Robert.

Here is the PE for the D.VII (MAG). More colours and the instrument panel has better wood grain


Here is the PE for the German Fokker D.VII weekend kit. Note the differences. This fret contains more items.


This second set of PE from the dual kit has the specific MAG engine and facade details.
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Posted: Monday, June 24, 2013 - 09:37 AM UTC
You might want to scratchbuild a Schwerin version instrument panel.



The single large bezeled instrument panels in this image are (ex-Jager) resin Schwerin types. Note also the drilled out portions of the Roden kit upper cowlings for the ammunition feed and empty belt tubes. The HGW bezels are coming in very handy.

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Posted: Monday, June 24, 2013 - 09:51 AM UTC
Here is the cockpit of the Deutsches Museum original Schwerin Fokker D.VII 4404/18. The gun position has been fared over but the front gun mounts are still inplace. Note the position of the compass as attached to the control column. The interior is overpainted a medium green (probably post war as a method to keep deterioration of the fabric down to a minimum. The instrument panel was painted black and may be a metal replacement item too. But note the instruments and their locations.



This D.VII was found after World War 2 in a barn, probably originating from the Deutschen Luftfahrt Sammlung. Although wearing the registration 4404/18, it is not sure if this is the aircraft's true identity. During restoration it was found that there were many 'non-World War I' modifications, and the Dutch MLD-serial 'D-20' was found.


The center image has a clear, hinged "sneeze guard" over the cockpit.



Fokker D.VII airframes built by Schwerin / Gorries factory.

Fok.VII 227-229/18 prototypes, V.11 and two V.18 brought up to Fok.D.VII production standards.
Fok.D.VII 230 to 526/18.
Fok.D.VII 4250 to 4449/18. Some D.VIIF with BMW IIIa engines.
Fok.D.VII 5050 to 5149/18. Some D.VIIF machines.
Fok.D.VII 7604 to 7805/18. some Fok.D.VIIF machines.
Fok.D.VII 10347 to 10300/18. 37 made, delivered after 11/11/18.