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British Secret WW2 Projects Vol 2
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Posted: Saturday, January 06, 2007 - 06:24 PM UTC


Flitzer has sent us another great set of profiles showing just some of the spectacular British paper projects that never made it into service.

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If you have comments or questions please post them here.

Thanks!
flitzer
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Posted: Sunday, January 07, 2007 - 10:22 PM UTC
Many thanks to Merlin for doing the needfull.

More on the way...

Cheers
Peter
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Posted: Sunday, January 07, 2007 - 11:32 PM UTC
Looking good Pete.
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Posted: Sunday, January 07, 2007 - 11:52 PM UTC

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More on the way...



Hi Peter!

I hope so! There are some really stunning artwork in this volume!

Jean-Luc
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Posted: Monday, January 08, 2007 - 12:28 AM UTC
The Boulton Paul P97B looks a lot like the P92?

http://www.jaapteeuwen.com/ww2aircraft/html%20pages/BOULTON%20PAUL%20P92%202.htm
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Posted: Monday, January 08, 2007 - 05:11 AM UTC
Coincidentally I'm just reading 'British Secret Projects - Fighters & Bombers 1935-1950' by Tony Buttler. Really enjoy seeing these paper projects come to life; the Hawker P.1030 looks particularly good in both the European scheme, and as an Australian produced SEAC aircraft.
Nicely done Peter, as per usual

Jeff W.
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Posted: Monday, January 08, 2007 - 06:58 AM UTC
Well, now we know where the Fairey Gannet sprung from !!!

John
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Posted: Monday, January 08, 2007 - 06:41 PM UTC
They do look good. Are there any kits of them out?

Ross
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Posted: Tuesday, January 09, 2007 - 11:35 AM UTC
Many thanks for your kind comments.

Ross
Unfortuneately there are no kits currently available...

But Sharkit are planning to do a few British Secret Projects in the not to distant future but not any illustrated here as far as I'm aware.
They have asked for ideas of what people might like, so you could always send a list...

Cheers
Peter


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Posted: Tuesday, January 09, 2007 - 11:40 AM UTC

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The Boulton Paul P97B looks a lot like the P92?


Antoni,
you are quite right they do look similar and also to the P99.
Must have been a popular BP layout.

I think the P92 was later; post war.
I'll check my refs tonight.

Cheers
Peter
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Posted: Tuesday, January 09, 2007 - 11:42 AM UTC
Let's start a discussion here then and send them a list. How many suggestions are they looking for? Awesome as always Peter!
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Posted: Tuesday, January 09, 2007 - 08:23 PM UTC
The type 97 I haven’t come across before but 92 precedes 97 so the type 92 must have been earlier. In fact it originated before WW II. There is nothing I can add to the details (and photograph) on this site: http://www.jaapteeuwen.com/ww2aircraft/html%20pages/BOULTON%20PAUL%20P92%202.htm

So no need for me to repeat them here.

The type 92’s turret was fitted with a 40mm Vickers S cannon and installed in the prototype Wellington Mk II L4250. Later the gun was remounted in a larger, streamlined turret that caused the geodetic structure to flex. The fabric in the area of the turret was replaced with stressed-skin metal. The directional stability of the Wellington was affected by the turret so twin fins and rudders were fitted.



The concept used in the Gannet, twin engines driving a contra-rotating propeller, also dated back before WW II. Fairey Battle K9370 was used to test their P.24 Monarch engine (2 coupled Prince P.12s). Four speed, two-stage supercharged and liquid-cooled it had independently controlled and synchronised counter-rotating and feathering co-axial propeller drives. K9370 made its maiden flight in June 1939.



Details of the Monarch reached the US and they were interested in it as a potential power-plant for the P-47. As few Monarchs had been assembled, K9370, with its engine, was sent to the USA. The roundels were removed and stars painted on the wings and red and white stripes on the rudder.



In 1943 it returned to the RAE. All work by Fairey’s powerplant department was ended by the Ministry of Aircraft Production in 1943 as they thought too much effort was being expended on too many engine designs within the industry. If the P.24 had ever given its proposed 2,240hp the Battle would have had a speed of 365mph!
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Posted: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 - 11:40 AM UTC
Hi Antoni
again you are right re: P92.
I was thinking of the P122. This was also a twin boom design from Boulton Paul to Air Ministry Spec F124T dated 1952. The design called for rocket power.

Intresting stuff.

Cheers
Peter
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Posted: Saturday, January 13, 2007 - 03:33 PM UTC
That is one mean looking Battle! The original looked too dainty, somehow.
Another B P design proposal was to convert the Defiant to a single-seat fighter with a battery of 8 forward firing .303 Brownings...



It was flown, albeit unarmed, acheiving a respectable 362 Mph. And it would be a simple kit conversion.
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Posted: Sunday, December 04, 2016 - 11:16 PM UTC
"A case of great minds think alike?" not so "great" "minds"
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Posted: Sunday, December 04, 2016 - 11:20 PM UTC
not so "think" alike
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