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bomber14
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Posted: Friday, March 27, 2020 - 04:20 PM UTC

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Since Iím confined to be indoors due to the covid situation, going one week and god knows for how many more, I decided to get things going with my 262.
After some consideration I chose to build a Sturmvogel version more specifically this one




Started a bit every section of the kit- cockpit, wheel bays, nose, slats and engines. The slats and flaps resin set is the most challenging part for me. Itís the first time I do this sort of tiny detail that demands a lot of careful plastic chopping, but so far so good... for wish me luck!













Cheers!
Pedro




nice start pedro. i too am doing a sturmvogel, i believe from the same group. i am also plamming on adding slats and have a challenging scheme. just got the decals yesterday. i guess it is time to get moving.
rochaped
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Posted: Saturday, March 28, 2020 - 04:40 AM UTC
Thanks Joe, I see youír going for the HobbyBoss kit. That should be interesting seeing both kits are the same version but from distinct makers.
Hope all goes well with the build and your new AB
Been using H&S Evolution AB for years and canít praise it enough. Sadly a couple of nights back the tip must have cracked since the paint flow is unstopped. With all this Covid shutdown here in Europe I have not been able to get a new 0,15 tip anywhere, only by purchasing a full tip/head/needle set, something Iím avoiding because the price tag is rather hefty. But for now I have 2 other AB to get along though the tip are not as fine (0,20 and 0,30).
GazzaS
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Posted: Saturday, March 28, 2020 - 08:56 PM UTC
I've got the main parts together, so it finally has a shape, and smooth, merging lines.





Happy Modelling!
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Posted: Sunday, March 29, 2020 - 12:33 AM UTC
Looking good Gazza, neat work!

Cheers, D
RussellE
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Posted: Sunday, March 29, 2020 - 02:45 PM UTC
hm, lots of good updates so far, maybe I'm gonna need to add to the 3 on the bench already and add the Me262!
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Posted: Sunday, March 29, 2020 - 02:56 PM UTC

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hm, lots of good updates so far, maybe I'm gonna need to add to the 3 on the bench already and add the Me262!



There is NO maybe, you must do it!

rochaped
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Posted: Monday, March 30, 2020 - 05:48 AM UTC
Another quick update on the WiP, cockpit almost done, a resin gunsight will be added and some minor details to wrap this section up






Cheers!
Pedro
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Posted: Monday, March 30, 2020 - 09:48 AM UTC
Lovely work there Pedro, very nice detailing and weathering!

What did you use for the dirty wash?

Cheers, D
rochaped
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Posted: Monday, March 30, 2020 - 10:45 AM UTC
Thanks Damian, I just used old school oil wash (a very thinned black+Burn Sienna) and a dry brush of some medium grey from Vallejo. Itís pretty much my weapon of choice for tubes

Cheers
Pedro
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Posted: Monday, March 30, 2020 - 05:06 PM UTC
Pedro: Nice work. Your cockpit looks fantastic and the yellow tint to the wheel wells is a nice touch. I might try it.

Gaz: the fit on the Tamiya is definitely first rate, but you've done really well with yours. Looks good.

Happy Modeling,
zon
GazzaS
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Posted: Monday, March 30, 2020 - 05:46 PM UTC
Pedro,
That is a thing of beauty!
SGTJKJ
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Posted: Monday, March 30, 2020 - 07:04 PM UTC
Wow, Pedro. That cockpit is absolutly astonishing! A real work of art.
bomber14
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Posted: Thursday, April 02, 2020 - 09:38 AM UTC
pedro nice start to your build. your cockpit looks great.

i got my decals. below is the aircraft i plan on making but i am having a hard time finding any diagrams of the squiggle camo on the starbord side fuselage and both wings. can anyone help me out. also i know it is not the standard splinter pattern under the squiggles,there are patches of brown violet but where and shape are hard to tell. any help would be appreciated.

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i started the cockpit and such, not quite as far along as pedro. i am going with a scratch made interior instead of photo etch.i will post soon.

please if anyone has some info or a site they know on the squiggle pattern, hopefully it wont be one i checked out already


joe
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Posted: Thursday, April 02, 2020 - 02:55 PM UTC
update on the cockpit.made the harness from brass binder ties with left over bits from some photo etch. i think i am going to redo the right shoulder belt though.scratch made the throttle levers from plastic strip and rod.i am using the cockpit decals from the kit, working on the IP and finishing up the gun bay too.

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GazzaS
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Posted: Thursday, April 02, 2020 - 06:40 PM UTC
Joe,
that cockpit looks great! Not much help for the camo, I'm sorry. Pictures from that period are really hard to figure out.
bomber14
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Posted: Friday, April 03, 2020 - 02:39 AM UTC
thanks gary. i still need to give it a wash, iwanted to ask pedro or anyone else who could what they used to thin the oil for the wash. i have the oils but am out of mineral spirits. the spirits always dissolved my protective clear anyway, any thing else i could use? i have tamiya yellow cap thinner, and little vallejo.

as for the camo, yes i know. i can't say how many searches i did to find something. i thought maybe someone here that is more experienced in the subject may be able to help. i did find some info on the pilot and of course it would have helped if i put the unit too. i didn't realize it was too small to read on my first post. i found some photos of die cast and built models but the camo did not match up to the port side. i believe too that the squiggles on the fuselage continued down onto the wings.

if anyone has any info the unit is-
9k+bn of 5/kg(j) 51 170068 at swabisch hall 12/44
pilot OLTN Georg Richter- KIA 2/14/45
one thing i have not done is a search of the pilot. i will do that.

thanks- joe

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Posted: Friday, April 03, 2020 - 11:35 AM UTC
Hey Joe,

Tomorrow Iíll have a look at my 262 titles in my little library, I have a feeling of seeing a pic from that bird somewhere.
As for the squiggles (Wullenmuster) Iím quite sure they were applied over the wings and elevators also, just look at other planes from the same unit. My model is also from that unit though it has no wullenmuster pattern, but the random green blotches field applied were also present over the horizontal surfaces.

About the question you pose regarding oils and washes:
- if you want to use oils (like I did) white spirit is necessary to dilute and clean. I never use anything but...
- what paint did you sprayed on the cockpit? Acrylic or other? If you go with oils for the wash you must always use an acrylic varnish to prevent paint corrosion from the minerals. Future or similar brands are quite useful.
As an alternative you can always use acrylics to do the subtle weathering and contrast with good results. I use that too...Vallejo paint, black and some red brown wood, mixed and well diluted in plain water. Just remember that acrylic over acrylic is also tricky. In this case use a non acrylic varnish before the wash to prevent damages.
Hope this helps

Cheers
Pedro
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Posted: Saturday, April 04, 2020 - 05:58 PM UTC
thanks for your help pedro. looking forward to see what you find.

as for the wash isn't mineral spirits and white spirits the same thing?

joe
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Posted: Sunday, April 05, 2020 - 05:07 AM UTC


I lost one of the parts and had to remake it from brass and styrene tubing. Not perfect, but good enough for me. I'll make the two part handle to more like two part handle once glue dries. Little bit of carving should do it.

I've had quite mixed experiences with Revell kits, but the 32 scale 262 looks quite nice so far.

GazzaS
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Posted: Sunday, April 05, 2020 - 10:15 AM UTC
That cockpit looks wonderful, Pasi.
rochaped
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Posted: Monday, April 06, 2020 - 03:45 AM UTC

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thanks for your help pedro. looking forward to see what you find.

as for the wash isn't mineral spirits and white spirits the same thing?

joe



Joe,

The only pic I could find that might be the plane depicted in the decals sheet is the one below, taken from the book ďBattle over BavariaĒ. The caption says the plane and pilots are from KG(J) 54, so not the same unit your decal sheet says, but either can be wrong, or this is probably a different 262 altogether. However the camo is very look alike, and one can see it extends from the fuselage to the wings.
Iíve seen this photo on some online site, but couldnít find it so I took the pic from the book.



And yes, when I say minerals I was referring white spirit :-)

Cheers
Pedro
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Posted: Monday, April 06, 2020 - 04:01 AM UTC
Thank you pedro. i just found in the back of my stash last night a large testors bottle that i taped a label to marked mineral spirits. not much left and i don't remember marking it but it should be enough. it will not eat away the future clear?

i will do the best i can with the little info on the camo i have. thank you for your help pedro. i look forward to comparing builds when complete.


joe
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Posted: Tuesday, April 07, 2020 - 07:21 AM UTC
A brief update

Cockpit is now done, working around the wheel pits. Also done some cutting and glue with the resin slats and flaps, and these are looking like they wonít be an easy assembly. Will need to remake some plastic areas that were cut in excess.

Cheers
Pedro




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Posted: Tuesday, April 07, 2020 - 11:06 AM UTC
Thatís smart looking work, Pedro!
rochaped
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Posted: Tuesday, April 07, 2020 - 11:15 AM UTC
Thanks Gary!