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OFFICIAL: Bombers 2 Campaign
Shrimpman
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Dublin, Ireland
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Posted: Sunday, June 17, 2018 - 06:28 PM UTC
Some progress on my Lanc over the last couple of weeks, next step is decals.





PasiAhopelto
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Uusimaa, Finland
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Posted: Sunday, June 17, 2018 - 01:50 AM UTC
Betty's crew compartment:



There's quite lot of room for crew.

Next I'll face least favorite part, which is removal of ejector pin marks from insides of fuselage halves.
Bigrip74
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Texas, United States
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Posted: Thursday, June 14, 2018 - 01:38 PM UTC
I was cleaning up and reorganizing today and found the clear parts that popped off the Bristol Bombay when I dropped it some time back. So Ill continue this build also along with the Fokker TV.

I also built up the courage to attach the landing gear.






Bob
john41492
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Malacca, Malaysia
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Posted: Thursday, June 14, 2018 - 04:09 AM UTC
Hey Everyone,

Another update! Since doing all the interior base colors, I turned my attention to the wings, as these will be the hardest part of the build.




So, it would seem that all the practice on seams from the C-47 will be paying off! These will be a challenge to say the least. Also, in my zeal to get going, I neglected to put in the brass tubing for the props (I tend to do this on older kits that I think will have prop droop). Not a killer, but another challenge of my own making.


Have fun!


John
john41492
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Malacca, Malaysia
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Posted: Thursday, June 07, 2018 - 03:27 PM UTC
Hi all,

Just a quick update on my B-24. Painted the interior using a mix of Tamiya XF-3 (yellow) and XF-5 (flat green) 2:1, then diluted 1:4 with Mr. Leveling lacquer thinner for the interior green. I think it looks the part. I find, for airbrushing, the lacquer works very well with Tamiya paints, and well, it levels it all out! For the Zinc chromate yellow I used XF-4 yellow-green, and for the aluminium I tried XF-16 flat aluminium. All thinned to a 1:4 dilution, I've also used plain lacquer thinner and have gotten similar results. However, given that off the shelf lacquer thinner here also contains toluene, I'm inclined not to chance damaging the plastic. I then picked out instruments and other interior detail using NATO black and Neutral Grey.

Since I don't have an inexpensive supplier for paints, I've gone the path of Tamiya and Mr. Color. I'm also modifiying a method on brush painting with Tamiya paints, more on that later.



Darrell, Welcome! I agree with Torsten, and no, there are no dumb questions. Torsten, I like using the Krystal Klear as well, you did a bang up job closing that gap.

Enjoy, and have fun!

John
md72
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Washington, United States
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Posted: Thursday, June 07, 2018 - 07:13 AM UTC
FWIW, on my Boeing Clipper, I masked the windows before primer, left the mask in place through the silver coat, overcoat, and future. Pulled them off after decaling and before final overcoat. When I pulled them off, in a couple of cases they pulled up the adjacent paint. I had to touch them up before the final overcoat. Next time, I'll try pulling them up before the Future and see how that works.
BlackWidow
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Baden-Württemberg, Germany
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Posted: Thursday, June 07, 2018 - 04:19 AM UTC
Darrell, yes, you're right. Mask the clear parts before the first coating and leave the masks on until you've completely finished your model. It's usually the last thing to do. You can have a look at my Peshka and other builds during the Soviet Phoenix Campaign. If you have more questions, don't hesitate to ask. There are no dumb questions, only (sometimes) dumb answers. Oh, and show us your B-25!

Torsten
dcook11
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Georgia, United States
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Posted: Thursday, June 07, 2018 - 02:22 AM UTC
I am following this with a lot of interest. I am doing a B-25 as a first aircraft (usually do ships). Do you leave the clear parts masks on during the whole painting process? Primer, OD top, gray bottom, clear for decals and then a matt? Probably a dumb question, just wondering how long the masking will last and still peel off OK.
FirstSergeant
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Michigan, United States
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Posted: Wednesday, June 06, 2018 - 10:30 AM UTC
Greetings,
I've made some progress on the Ju88A-4.







Cheers,
Firstsergeant



BlackWidow
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Baden-Württemberg, Germany
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Posted: Tuesday, June 05, 2018 - 06:21 AM UTC

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Torsten, she is looking good and I see that there is a lot of glass work. WOW!

Bob



Thanks Bob! It's 32 windows to cover, 16 per side. Took me an evening to do that.

Well folks, only a small update today as I had to wait nearly 2 weeks for that Micro Kristal Klear to arrive at my door. Last weekend I was able to fill the gap with it. Did it 3 times and it worked really fine. It looks as clear as I wanted it. As you can see the Montex mask also don't fit here, so I had to use small stripes of Tamiya Tape to correct the flaws ....





... today I sprayed to cockpit section with Aluminium (Revell No. 99) and noticed some small gaps between the fuselage and the clear parts. I'll try to fill them with some white glue tomorrow ....




.... she's now slowly coming into shape and the next step will be the primer. Usually it takes me 4-5 weeks to complete a build. With this one I'm already in week 6 but finally I can see a small silverlining at the horizont. But it will be again on hold for a couple of days, because we have our own expo in Mannheim this coming weekend and I still have to do some organisation work. So it will be Monday when I take the next step on the Los. By the way, a few days ago I found a nice vid on Youtube showing a beautifully made replica of the PZL 37. It's all in polish but it shows some interesting details of the real deal. Enjoy it!

Torsten
Shrimpman
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Dublin, Ireland
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Posted: Saturday, June 02, 2018 - 11:04 PM UTC
Some progress pictures of my Lancaster. I've started the camo with brown. I've discovered Vallejo Air works very well with brush. It is already very well thinned, so after adding a drop of water as a retardant I can paint without any visible brush strokes. The end results is 5 layers, as thin as I could possibly manage. I'm quite happy with the effect, surface is as smooth as if sprayed on.



Below is the prep for green colour. I used Humbrol Maskol thingy (still wet on the picure). By shortsightedness I used my favourite brush for this, doh! I think brush is ruined, but I will try to get this stuff off it.

Bigrip74
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Texas, United States
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Posted: Saturday, June 02, 2018 - 03:36 PM UTC
Oliver, I am using Valoms art in their instructions as a guide and they show the dark brown on the entire under surface. So with out any real research I am at the mercy of VALOM.

Here is a little update of the Fokker color scheme. I am not happy with the seperation of the (3) colors. If you look closely you can see the brown inbetween the green and gray. I will need to fix this, but not sure how just yet.





Bob
Antilles
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Nordrhein-Westfalen, Germany
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Posted: Saturday, June 02, 2018 - 10:05 AM UTC
Torsten: Wow, the fit of the nose is really challenging to say at least! Good luck with curing this one!

Bob: Nice progress on the paint job. Did the Fokker had a dark lower surface?

On my Dornier I started with the interior work. The Airfix kit is nicely detailed, so I did not really needed the PE Parts.


The fitting of both fuselage halves was a bit tricky. But now, the cockpit looks really nice. Hopefully, something of the interior work is visible after glueing all parts together.


The instruments panel was enhanced with some additional wiring, as this area is clearly visible through the front windscreen.


Oliver
Bigrip74
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Posted: Sunday, May 27, 2018 - 09:50 AM UTC
I found the problem with my airbrushing. It was sediment in the paint. Filtered the paint and all is well now.


Bigrip74
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Posted: Wednesday, May 23, 2018 - 11:52 PM UTC
I started the paint process with some poster putty and pulled out the airbrushes after 4 or 5 months and they need to be taken apart and cleaned again. The weather here is also very humid making my filter work over time and spitting every once and a while. Was able to put some paint on the Fokker, but it is still drying before it hits the plastic. Guess I need to add more retarder.


Bigrip74
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Posted: Tuesday, May 22, 2018 - 08:41 AM UTC
Torsten, she is looking good and I see that there is a lot of glass work. WOW!

Bob
BlackWidow
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Baden-Württemberg, Germany
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Posted: Tuesday, May 22, 2018 - 12:06 AM UTC
Tony, Michael is right, a "Toni" isn't a bomber, it was designed as a MRCA (Multi Role Combat Aircraft), so it wouldn't fit in this campaign. But I'm sure there's a real bomber hiding somewhere in your stash ....

Anyway, another update from my PZL. As I have expected, there are some fitting problems with the clear parts, especially the nose parts ....


.... this evening I phoned my LHS and ordered that Microscale Cristal Klear thing to fill the gap between both parts. Of course he has that stuff not in stock right now and will order it at Hannants. I hope to have it on my bench by mid next week ...


.... some parts of the Montex mask don't fit, they are too small, so I have to use some additional Tamiya Tape or have to replace Montex with it. Also not a nice feature, but, hey, it was only 5 €uros for the mask. Bomb bays and landing gear bays are also masked or filled with sponge ....

.... and the cowling rings of the engines are already painted with Copper from Vallejo 71068. Before I glue them to the engine nacelles I will cover them with Parafilm M and it will stay right until the end of the assembly ....

Now I wait for Cristal Klear to arrive and in the meantime will mask the last clear parts. I want to have this bird finished for the expo in Leipzig early in July. Keep your fingers crossed for me ....

Torsten
Antilles
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Nordrhein-Westfalen, Germany
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Posted: Monday, May 21, 2018 - 11:53 PM UTC
Torsten: I never heard of a putty with glue and flour. how does it work and how can You grind and paint it? Btw Your kit is coming along nicely!

Bob: Great progress on Your Fokker. Please tell me about closing this window with glue. I never tried this before. Any experience what diameter of space can be closed by this technique?

Shrimpman: I would try a post shading effect with some strongly diluted grey. I would use a mask along the panel lines cross to the directionn of flight and spray this paint into the direction of flight. Than, I would use some black or dark brown wash to restore the panel lines. I did this on my Dornier Wal and it worked quite well.


Oliver
panzerIV
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England - North West, United Kingdom
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Posted: Monday, May 21, 2018 - 11:41 PM UTC
No worries you are right has many roles
As noted on wiki

" The project's aim was to produce an aircraft capable of undertaking missions in the tactical strike, reconnaissance, air defence, and maritime roles"
MichaelSatin
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Posted: Monday, May 21, 2018 - 10:55 PM UTC

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just wanted to check before I sign up.
im unsure whether a tornado would fit into the campaign rules? can anyone clarify before I sign up? I have quite a few 1/144 tornado kits I could do with getting built.

im more of an treadhead armor. but have a weakspot for tornados



Anthony,

I'm not sure about that. I kind of consider the Tornado a fighter-bomber rather than an actual bomber. Sorry.

Michael
panzerIV
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Posted: Monday, May 21, 2018 - 08:14 PM UTC
just wanted to check before I sign up.
im unsure whether a tornado would fit into the campaign rules? can anyone clarify before I sign up? I have quite a few 1/144 tornado kits I could do with getting built.

im more of an treadhead armor. but have a weakspot for tornados
Shrimpman
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Dublin, Ireland
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Posted: Monday, May 21, 2018 - 05:51 PM UTC
Hi,
Can I ask you for advice? I have started to paint my Lancaster in places that will difficult to reach after final assembly. However the underside is black and seems kind of featureless. Is there any way to somehow apply shading or accentuate panel lines on a black surface?
MichaelSatin
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Posted: Saturday, May 19, 2018 - 09:19 PM UTC
Yep, Micro Kristal Klear is the stuff.

https://www.hobbytown.com/micro-kristal-klear-clear-liquid-plastic-adhesive-1oz-by-microscale-industries-msimi9/p285497?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIy6HMv9iU2wIVD7XACh2uKAilEAQYAyABEgI96fD_BwE
Bigrip74
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Texas, United States
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Posted: Saturday, May 19, 2018 - 08:47 PM UTC
I covered the window parts with Bare Metal and cut out the frame work to get ready for primer. I lost the round window on the bottom of the fuselage. What is the name of the liquid that makes windows? Micro Krystal Kleer? Or dows anyone have a suggestion on how to fix this problem of my missing window?






BlackWidow
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Posted: Saturday, May 12, 2018 - 02:10 PM UTC

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Torsten, how does the green house look? Like a lot of work? I cannot wait to see her finished.
Bob



Bob, I'm not that far already, but it doesn't look too difficult. Will use the Montex mask No. 48348 for it. I'm more afraid of fitting problems. Don't want to fill and sand on clear parts ....

Anyway, have been away for a week so only a small update today. Bombs are in the bays, wing halves are glued together with only minor fitting problems and at the fuselage. Here appeared a gap all the way on both fuselage sides and on the upper- and underside. I've used clear tape and my self made putty (glue and flour) ....



.... had a rough sanding session yesterday, the clear tape really had to suffer .... But I'm satisfied with the result ....


Next step will be painting and installing the engines and the canopy. Then I can think about primer and paint for the first time ....

Have a nice Sunday!
Torsten