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World War II: Great Britain
Aircraft of Great Britain in WWII.
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Advice requested on the Matchbox 1/32Lysander
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Posted: Monday, January 22, 2018 - 04:02 PM GMT+7
This canopy IS more than a bit of a challenge!





I cut out the pilot's left and right side cockpit windows as these will be posed as being in the "down" (open) position.
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Posted: Monday, January 22, 2018 - 03:02 PM GMT+7
A Correction:

Only SOME Lysander canopy have that horizontal window divider, others did not. So building it either way is correct.


Photo copyright Dan Pascoe / Airliners.net - used here for historical research and discussion only.

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Posted: Monday, January 22, 2018 - 02:56 PM GMT+7
The Canopy Arch:
165thspc
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Posted: Monday, January 22, 2018 - 02:54 PM GMT+7
Fuel Filler Cover: . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Main Tank Fuel Filler Pipe:
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Posted: Monday, January 22, 2018 - 01:48 PM GMT+7
Some notes about modifications needed for these side glass canopy pieces:

. . . . . . .

#1. A small chunk of plastic needs to be added to this top front tab. First of all, this closes the remaining open space between the canopy window and the wing spar. However more importantly, it gives you a front attachment point for the arched canopy roof. Otherwise the ONLY support for this arched roof is where it glues to the rear corners of the flat canopy sides. If you recall this arched glass must also support the moving portion of the canopy that is directly over the pilot's head.

#2. Lower left window pane; (PORT side of aircraft ONLY) This square should be opaque. This is actually the cover plate for the fuel filler port. The fuel filler pipe connects this port to the main gas tank and can be seen in a number of reference photos elsewhere on this thread.**

#3. Center horizontal window divider should be located here; Both Matchbox and MonteX have left out this detail. I simply cut out a section of each MonteX mask piece to create this crossbar. (I should have glued a small plastic bar at each divider - just a painted line does not give enough detail relief.)

** If the aircraft is equipped with the auxiliary fuel tank the tank has it's own feeder line to the carburetor and also has it's own filler pipe which goes straight up thru the canopy arch. (You have to fill both tanks separately to completely fill the aircraft with fuel.)
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Posted: Monday, January 22, 2018 - 01:43 PM GMT+7
Been busy; This is the first time ever that I have attempted to mask and paint a canopy. Make no mistake I did not do that good of a job. This glass won't win any awards. These parts would not survive a close inspection. I started on the flat side panels and improved some as I moved towards the curves pieces.



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Posted: Monday, January 22, 2018 - 01:25 PM GMT+7
Up to my old tricks again: If I can find reference on more interior braces and spars I will probably add them right up to the last second before I close up the hull.

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Posted: Monday, January 22, 2018 - 10:03 AM GMT+7
I received my brass Browning barrels from Master Models today but unfortunately I had ordered the wrong ones! (My BAD! Missed ordering the correct item by just one digit!)

The ones I received could be used, yes, however the barrels lack the distinctive end-of-barrel heatsinks and flash hiders. (The flash hiders were not used on the Lysander but they look cool and I might apply a little artistic license on this one.)

I am reordering.
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Posted: Sunday, January 21, 2018 - 08:43 AM GMT+7
Out shopping on eBay again. The Lysander bird is going to need some seatbelts. I have my fingers crossed - the shoulder belts look correct but I am not so sure about the buckles. Anybody have knowledge on the subject of early war British aircraft seat belts?

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Posted: Sunday, January 21, 2018 - 05:51 AM GMT+7
Magnus I must admit - I enjoy the fact that the kit is as old as it is but; (relatively speaking) still as good and well detailed as it is. It has been a pleasure to build and to also add detail to this one. This construction adventure is sort of my first foray into large scale aircraft models in a very long time and I like that it did not require investing an arm and a leg to get started. (The low price leaves lots of $$$ room to purchase extra details and AM parts for the project.)

Thank you for your positive comments.


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Posted: Sunday, January 21, 2018 - 04:44 AM GMT+7
Michael! I'm following this with interest! The Matchbox 1/32 series from the late 70s were a fun bunch of kits, I wonder how they picked the subjects ! I can understand why they did the 109 but both the Sea Venom and your Lysander are fairly odd subjects. Never mind, it is something to be happy for today since I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for someone else to do one in that scale. And not a Puma helicopter either !



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Posted: Sunday, January 21, 2018 - 04:05 AM GMT+7
Another item for the 1/32nd Lysander that I found but failed to mention earlier: The canopy painting masks from MonteX.

I would say this is an excellent product, however I must admit this is my first time using a pre-cut mask for doing this type of glass work. (Masking the glasswork has always been my most feared aspect of building model aircraft - a fear carried over from my childhood building an otherwise rathe nice B-25 Mitchell only to be ruined when I tried to hand paint the window divisions.)

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Posted: Saturday, January 20, 2018 - 05:39 AM GMT+7
I spent a good portion of last night looking for some photo reference on the large box ammo magazines that feed the twin Brownings in the Lysander. So far no luck. All I could find were the smaller box mags that actually hung on the sides of some guns.

Good reference on the Browning but no help on the Lysander project.



Removed by original poster on 01/20/18 - 10:36:22 (GMT).
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Posted: Friday, January 19, 2018 - 03:26 PM GMT+7

Quoted Text

Just found another photo of the twin Brownings! (Still doesn't help with the gun mount.) However it does show the two large cartridge magazines which is new information.



It appears the belts pull from the bottom of the magazines. That seems strange as that would mean the full weight of the ammo belts sit on the portion of the belt being pulled out???

Anyone have any ideas.



Michael - interesting and a good observation. Although it seems unlikely, perhaps the belts do not lay in the magazines horizontally but instead are loaded in a vertical serpentine fashion. Hmm - any automatic weapons folks out there who can help ?

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Posted: Friday, January 19, 2018 - 02:57 PM GMT+7
Just found another photo of the twin Brownings! (Still doesn't help with the gun mount.) However it does show the two large cartridge magazines which is new information.



It appears the belts pull from the bottom of the magazines. That seems strange as that would mean the full weight of the ammo belts sit on the portion of the belt being pulled out???

Anyone have any ideas.

(I don't think I'm right on that. It just would not work that the belts pull from the bottom.)
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Posted: Thursday, January 18, 2018 - 05:55 PM GMT+7
It really bothered me that the rear canopy was not deep (tall) enough to reach the groves molded in the sides of the fuselage on the model. Also the molded grooves did not extend far enough down the side of the aircraft to give the impression that the rear canopy could actually function.

The solution to both these problems was to add the slide channels to the sides of the aircraft.





I have now added a flange to the bottom of this canopy. With this addition the glass will almost sit properly on the slide tracks. When I finally glue it on just a slight pressure while the glue is drying and it will sit properly.

If you look at the righthand photo above you can just make out this flange.



(I may want to sand that flange a bit thinner.)
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Posted: Thursday, January 18, 2018 - 04:54 PM GMT+7
Here is where I am on building the gunner/navigator's ring. Still waiting for my twin Brownings to arrive!



Here is a photo of the actual ring:
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Posted: Thursday, January 18, 2018 - 04:36 PM GMT+7
When I saw the engine mount ring on that image of the early Lysander airframe I just knew I was going to have to add it to my model. (Even though once the fuselage is closed up you will never see it again.)

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Posted: Wednesday, January 17, 2018 - 07:11 PM GMT+7
Pilot's cockpit coming together. - Gunner's spot is another subject - much more work to come.





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Posted: Wednesday, January 17, 2018 - 09:10 AM GMT+7
A bit hard to see but more detail (controls and cables) have been added to the structural frame, primarily around the pilot's cockpit. Focusing now on the gunner's area and waiting somewhat anxiously for those twin Browning weapons to show up from Gaspatch and Master!





(Little or no progress on rebuilding the pilot's control panel. I am putting this off simply because this panel will still be removable even after the two-piece fuselage is buttoned up. So it can wait till later!)
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Posted: Wednesday, January 17, 2018 - 08:47 AM GMT+7
I think my interior bracing work and detailing of the fuselage is complete. (NOT to say the detailing work on the airframe is finished!)



I plan to show both cockpit side windows in the down position. I will therefore cut some clear plastic sheet, mask it to paint the window dividers and add these to the interior of the model.


Cockpit window in the down position. First of two installed.
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Posted: Wednesday, January 17, 2018 - 05:38 AM GMT+7
I know I am jumping all around but here is an interesting image that I just found:

Complete airframe:



Shows wing spar tower but ALSO clearly shows pilot's and navigator's "rings".
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Posted: Wednesday, January 17, 2018 - 05:34 AM GMT+7
However here is a turreted Lysander that WAS built!



This aircraft never went into production - only two ever built.
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Posted: Tuesday, January 16, 2018 - 10:53 AM GMT+7
Something of interest:

Experimental Lysander with mocked up quad enclosed turret. A flying prototype was never built as it was determined that the field of fire for the turret was too limited to be effective.