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Best Starfighter Ever?
Joel_W
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Posted: Wednesday, February 07, 2018 - 10:51 AM GMT+7

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Hey Joel,

Yup its a Brassin one, and it really is a joy. When I see (and feel) products with this quality I'm tempted by the HPH Resin kits. Check out the link below if you haven't already

http://www.hphmodels.cz/hph/

Only the cost and prospect of a lot of resin dust makes me think twice.

Have a great day.



Steve,
Thought so.

When I into 1/32 scale, I often drooled over some of the hph models, but they're for more expensive then my budget allows, especially since I have my doubts that I'd actually be able to get one across the finish line.

joel
SteveAndrews
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Posted: Tuesday, February 06, 2018 - 08:06 PM GMT+7
Hey Joel,

Yup its a Brassin one, and it really is a joy. When I see (and feel) products with this quality I'm tempted by the HPH Resin kits. Check out the link below if you haven't already

http://www.hphmodels.cz/hph/

Only the cost and prospect of a lot of resin dust makes me think twice.

Have a great day.
Joel_W
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Posted: Tuesday, February 06, 2018 - 09:49 AM GMT+7
Steve,
That AM resin exhaust can looks fantastic.
Joel
SteveAndrews
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Posted: Tuesday, February 06, 2018 - 08:53 AM GMT+7
OK, the kitchen can wait. The engine supplied with the kit is fairly simple, and I will be keeping it hidden inside the fuselage. In contrast to all the fiddly work on the cockpit that will make building it an easy job. The big parts are mostly crisply moulded but there are some soft details in places. The exception is the area where the intakes merge. These parts are badly moulded with a rough interior texture and ejector pin marks. Luckily - if I have interpreted the instructions correctly - absolutely none of this part will be seen once everything is closed up. It just provides a locating place for one end of the engine.

The interior of the engine looks good, and this is the bit that matters to me because in theory it could be seen. The corrugated inside with lots of little slots (help please, people who know the name of this stuff!) is well reproduced, even if there is a potentially difficult join to fix where the two parts meet. Thatíll be the tricky bit I think, because I was planning to paint the two halves before joining them so I can use the airbrush. Hmmm, better think on that. The last part is a resin exhaust. I splashed some cash on this because it will definitely be seen and it looks lovely. Here are the pics:











Happy modelling guys
SteveAndrews
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Posted: Tuesday, February 06, 2018 - 08:47 AM GMT+7
Hi Paul and Liam

Thanks a million guys. I have to say that so far it has been a lot of fun, and the project is stretching my skills. It's great that you are enjoying it too. Thanks for looking in.

Have a great day.
bookszad
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Posted: Sunday, February 04, 2018 - 11:54 AM GMT+7
I'm in awe of the level of detail you'er going for. Amazing work!
KelticKnot
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Posted: Thursday, February 01, 2018 - 10:02 PM GMT+7
This really is shaping up to be the BEST STARFIGHTER EVER !
All your hard work in the cockpit will certainly be highly visible at this scale so looking forward to seeing the paint go on.
SteveAndrews
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Posted: Thursday, February 01, 2018 - 07:35 PM GMT+7
Good luck with tracking down the Yahu products Joel. I hope it works out for you and its a pleasure to help a little bit.
Have a great day.
Steve
Joel_W
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Posted: Thursday, February 01, 2018 - 02:47 PM GMT+7

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Hey Joel

Yes, I think on a different build with different objectives I might come to exactly those conclusions too. Have you ever tried the Yahu (sp? alternatives? From what I have seen on-line their printing quality looks better.

Have a great day.

Steve



Steve,
I wanted to try the Yahu IP for the Hurricane build, but Sprue Brothers doesn't carry their whole line. I'm still trying to locate one but time is running out till I need the IP ready to go.

Just took a quite look at their site and Hobbyworld carries most of their line. Their located only a few hours from, and they carry the Hurricane Mk I IP and several others I need. Going to order them asap. I owe you one for getting me to look again.

Joel
SteveAndrews
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Posted: Wednesday, January 31, 2018 - 11:59 PM GMT+7
Hey Joel

Yes, I think on a different build with different objectives I might come to exactly those conclusions too. Have you ever tried the Yahu (sp? alternatives? From what I have seen on-line their printing quality looks better.

Have a great day.

Steve
Joel_W
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Posted: Wednesday, January 31, 2018 - 04:52 AM GMT+7

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Hi guys

Thanks very much. It was a lot of work and probably not something I'd do with every kit, but it was fun and the end result makes me happy. I'm excited to get painting, but that will definitely have to wait until I'm set up in my new place.

By the way, I really fell out of love with Eduard's coloured, self-adhesive photo etch during this build. In other scales it might well be great but for me at least, in 1/32 it's too flat, too fiddly and not sticky enough. Having said that, I've seen other guys get great results. I guess each of us has our own style and sense of what result we are looking for.

Happy modelling.

Steve




Steve,
I've used the Eduard pre-painted sticky PE in both 1/48 and 1/32 scales, and there certainly are pluses and minuses. The fact that especially the IP is pre-painted including the gauges is a huge plus. But up until my last build, the black they used was more like a Blue-Black. Where they got that color from who knows, but they were certainly intent on using up their entire supply no matter how long it took. For that matter, a lot of the their colors just don't match the generally accepted FS chips even when transposed to WWII. Case in point is my F6F-3 IP.

Also they seem to have decided for the best paint adhesion to use this weird textured paint or primer with the end result when viewed close up is anything but smooth.

Still, I used their sets more times then not because the fidelity to scale, and detail was superior to anything I could produce.

I'm confident that once you button up the fuselage halves, those small issues just don't seem to manifest themselves to the viewer as the pit is usually viewed as a whole, with the seat taking the place of honor.

Joel



SteveAndrews
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Posted: Wednesday, January 31, 2018 - 12:20 AM GMT+7
Hi guys

Thanks very much. It was a lot of work and probably not something I'd do with every kit, but it was fun and the end result makes me happy. I'm excited to get painting, but that will definitely have to wait until I'm set up in my new place.

By the way, I really fell out of love with Eduard's coloured, self-adhesive photo etch during this build. In other scales it might well be great but for me at least, in 1/32 it's too flat, too fiddly and not sticky enough. Having said that, I've seen other guys get great results. I guess each of us has our own style and sense of what result we are looking for.

Happy modelling.

Steve



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Posted: Tuesday, January 30, 2018 - 08:55 PM GMT+7
I second Joel's comment. The cockpit looks amazing.

cheers
Michael
Joel_W
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Posted: Tuesday, January 30, 2018 - 10:46 AM GMT+7
Steve,
The pit and seat just look tremendous.
Joel
SteveAndrews
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Posted: Tuesday, January 30, 2018 - 06:15 AM GMT+7
Somewhere, in amongst a chaotic landscape of packing boxes, half-emptied cupboards and piles of things there is a small island of order. Itís called my workbench, and I ran there a couple of times this week to hide from stuff to do as I move apartments. The result is that Iíve made progress on the cockpit. I added some detail to the side-walls and the area in front of the dashboard. Belatedly equipped with a decent photo of the rear bulkhead I also added some more details and wondered about correcting some things that are wrong. I decided against the corrections because itís too much work and what I have offers a good enough impression. Here are the collected results to date with a few parts held in place by Blu-Tack.







On the subject of references I found all sorts of photos showing the flexible covers that protect instrument cables as they leave the cockpit. The trouble is the references show different things. In some shots these look like very flexible canvas or some such material. In others they look more rigid like rubber or cardboard. It left me scratching my head trying to decide how to improve the very basic texture provided by the kit. In the end I went for the more rigid option. I recreated it by scrunching up some strips of thin plastic card, gluing it in place and then trimming it to fit. Like thisÖ





Now Iíll have one final look over to check I havenít missed anything. Then I'll turn my attention to the engine, or Iíll pack up the kitchen.

Happy modelling guys.

Steve.
SteveAndrews
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Posted: Wednesday, January 24, 2018 - 11:15 PM GMT+7
Moving is definitely not my favorite thing either, and I'm grateful for all the advice on keeping kits safe. I have a self-imposed to do list. Not sure that's any better as I have no one to blame ;-)

Ah, retirement - its a dream right now!

Have a stress free day guys.
Joel_W
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Posted: Wednesday, January 24, 2018 - 06:12 AM GMT+7

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Best of Luck Joel. But, don't count all of your sunbeams before they hatch. Having a condo doesn't eliminate honey-do lists..



Oh no!! Not another dreaded Honey To Do Lists. My retirement has been pushed back another month at work once again, but this time is my last time. Just the fact that the Condo will be so much smaller then the house, and they will take care of the outside, i'm way ahead of the game.

Joel
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Posted: Wednesday, January 24, 2018 - 05:59 AM GMT+7
Best of Luck Joel. But, don't count all of your sunbeams before they hatch. Having a condo doesn't eliminate honey-do lists..
Joel_W
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Posted: Wednesday, January 24, 2018 - 05:53 AM GMT+7
Steve,
I do remember the days when we lived in apartment and just seemed to be moving every few years. I never looked forward to a move as I knew that another one was just down the road. But once we bought our house, we've been here for 37 years.

Now we're looking at selling and moving into a Condo in a retirement community down south. Still will have a modeling/computer room, but I won't have to fix, repair, nor cut the lawn. Just fish and play golf during the day, and model at night. took 70 years to get to this stage, and I sure hope it lasts for a long time.

Joel
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Posted: Wednesday, January 24, 2018 - 05:50 AM GMT+7
I build 1/72 airplanes. In the past, I've placed the plane in a twist tie plastic bag, blow in a little air and tie it closed. I stack it with packing peanuts in a stout box. The peanuts provide some protection, and the bag captures any bits that break or fall off. after a couple of moves I've only lost a few antennas and pitot tubes. It helps if you can remove the propellers too.
SteveAndrews
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Posted: Wednesday, January 24, 2018 - 05:47 AM GMT+7
Hi Russ

Its a DIY move, and those tips are great. Thanks a million.

Steve
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Posted: Wednesday, January 24, 2018 - 04:44 AM GMT+7

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Thanks guys. And I was wondering do you have any tips for packaging up and moving models? I'm worried mine will arrive in bits.
With thanks
Steve




Are you moving the models yourself or having movers do it? If you are moving them yourself, I recommend buying some of those plastic boxes with foldable lids, then placing the models inside on towels. I have about twenty of them, and when not used for moving, I use them for storing unbuilt kits in my garage. If you are having movers do it, I use stout cardboard boxes, sectioned off with additional cardboard securely taped to the inside, and then back filled with shredded paper from my office shredder. If possible, the boxes can be placed in wooden foot lockers or trunks, or larger kitchen "dish packs". I moved a few models and many 1/16 scale lead miniatures all over the world (over 30 moves) that way when I was in the military. Never had a problem with breakage. Just blow off the shredded paper with your airbrush when you arrive.
VR, Russ
SteveAndrews
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Posted: Wednesday, January 24, 2018 - 02:06 AM GMT+7
Thanks guys. And I was wondering do you have any tips for packaging up and moving models? I'm worried mine will arrive in bits.
With thanks
Steve
Joel_W
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Posted: Tuesday, January 23, 2018 - 11:05 AM GMT+7
Steve,
Hope the move goes well.
Joel
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Posted: Tuesday, January 23, 2018 - 10:51 AM GMT+7
Good luck with the move Steve, and don't forget/lose any parts !