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Best Starfighter Ever?
SteveAndrews
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Posted: Monday, November 12, 2018 - 09:33 AM UTC
The F-104ís main armament is the famous M61 Vulcan rotary cannon. Italeri gives us the option to have the gun bay open, and they made an attempt at the M61 too. After cleaning up weíre left with a passable impression, however a quick look at photos of the real thing shows up the limitations in the kit parts; the details are vague and a good deal is missing. Really it would be best to replace it with an aftermarket option, but I donít want to hold things up so Iím going to try and enhance what is in the kit.



Iím emphasising some the detail by adding stretched sprue and small pieces of plastic card. Basically using the techniques described earlier. The Eduard set for the gun bay also gives a little panel. The shot below is an early work in progress view showing stretched sprue being attached. Iíll upload again more when thereís more progress.



Happy modelling guys.


SteveAndrews
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Posted: Monday, November 12, 2018 - 09:26 AM UTC
Joel,
Thanks a million. It's going to be tricky to paint I think, but fingers crossed.
Have a great day,
Steve.
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Posted: Monday, November 05, 2018 - 08:37 AM UTC
Steve,
The wheel Well looks fantastic. With some paint, and weathering it could easily pass for the real thing.
Joel
SteveAndrews
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Posted: Monday, November 05, 2018 - 08:01 AM UTC
When I was a boy it was common knowledge that too much time spent on a particular activity would make you go blind. Well, itís taken a few years but I realise that the activity in question is not what I imagined. It is actually scratch building. Thankfully Iíve finished the rear landing gear bay with my eyesight largely in tact. Here it is in all its glory - finished off with the big struts and pistons from the kit.





I need a bit of a rest from hoses, pipes and hydraulics so next up is the gun bay.

Happy modelling guys.
SteveAndrews
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Posted: Monday, November 05, 2018 - 08:00 AM UTC
Hey Matt,

That sounds like a very special experience. More power to you.

Have a great day.
Scrodes
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Posted: Monday, November 05, 2018 - 03:51 AM UTC

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Wow Matt, it's Christmas come early. Thanks so much for getting these photos.
What's your role at the museum?
With a big thank you,
Steve.



No problem Steve.

I volunteer at the museum as member of the Lancaster Crew and spend many hours there to keep our Lancaster flying.
SteveAndrews
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Posted: Sunday, November 04, 2018 - 07:22 PM UTC
Wow Matt, it's Christmas come early. Thanks so much for getting these photos.
What's your role at the museum?
With a big thank you,
Steve.
Scrodes
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Posted: Sunday, November 04, 2018 - 10:47 AM UTC
Round two - I don't mind crawling around on my back when it's not pouring rain out.










Top is front.


*Bolt might not be original... hahaha




Top is front again




From the first airframe - this hatch is behind the main gear bay on the left side and hinges downwards from center.



Looking up through that opening. Interior colours are original.
SteveAndrews
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Posted: Friday, November 02, 2018 - 02:05 AM UTC
Hi Matt

No worries at all. Thanks for trying and also thanks for the great shots you posted. Even covered up and ready for paint she's a lovely bird.

Have a great day,

Steve.
Scrodes
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Posted: Thursday, November 01, 2018 - 10:39 AM UTC
Sorry Steve

Wouldn't you know it, THE day I offered to grab photos for you the museum finally masked (specifically the areas you needed photos you needed) off for paint, after the project being neglected for most of this year!!!! Arrrgh. They were literally finishing up the air brake masking as I signed in.

I'll go back to get the nosewheel photos on the other one soon - it's outside and it was POURING rain today.







SteveAndrews
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Posted: Wednesday, October 31, 2018 - 05:22 AM UTC
Hi guys,

Thanks very much for the continuing encouragement.

Matt, I have a vision of two F-104's parked on your drive. I could do with as much reference as I can get so I will pm.

Joel and Gaz, you are gentlemen.

Happy modelling folks.
GazzaS
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Posted: Tuesday, October 30, 2018 - 01:00 PM UTC
Brilliant!
Scrodes
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Posted: Tuesday, October 30, 2018 - 11:06 AM UTC
I have access to a pair of Starfighters, so shoot me a PM if you need any photos taken.
Joel_W
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Posted: Tuesday, October 30, 2018 - 08:22 AM UTC
Steve,
the amount of detail you're adding to the wheel well really is making a huge difference.
Joel
SteveAndrews
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Posted: Monday, October 29, 2018 - 11:25 PM UTC
Merci beaucoup Franck. It's a labour of love, and sometimes perseverance.

Thanks for looking in :-)
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Posted: Monday, October 29, 2018 - 08:12 PM UTC
wow, your work is mind-blowing !
SteveAndrews
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Posted: Monday, October 29, 2018 - 09:53 AM UTC
And, there are more pipes and cables going in. I dry fitted the forward doors again to check the amount thatís visible and I think Iíll be OK. Nearly finished!





Happy modelling guys.
SteveAndrews
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Posted: Tuesday, October 16, 2018 - 07:49 AM UTC
Hi guys

Great to have you looking in.

Gaz, nice to see you, and yes I know what you mean about motivation. Mine's on an up right now, so all that fiddling about is rewarding. I wonder if I'll be saying that next week???

Michael, too true! And, thanks for the encouragement.

Joel, yes there's a pair of big doors that are almost fully closed when the Starfighter is on the ground so I'm stopping where my little test fit tells me the darkness will be. I might add a few sketchy details just in case but there's nothing really visible. You can see the barely open forward door here:



Thanks again for dropping in guys, and happy modelling.

Steve.
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Posted: Tuesday, October 16, 2018 - 06:35 AM UTC
Steve,
The copper lines in the wheel well looks great. But they seam to end all of a sudden. Is there a bulkhead or a closed gear door there to fool our eye?
Joel
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Posted: Monday, October 15, 2018 - 09:24 PM UTC
Steve,
They say a picture is worth a thousand words and it certainly saves you from having to describe that array of pipework you have started in the wheel bay. Looks great so far.

cheers
Michael
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Posted: Monday, October 15, 2018 - 08:52 AM UTC
HI Steve,
I've been checking in occasionally to watch your progress. Your details look great.

For me, every kit has an expiration date or an I've-had-enough point. Adding or repairing detail is all well and good until I've reached either of the two points. It's probably the same with all but the most dedicated to a perfect finish.

Best of luck on this one. I was really happy to cross the finish line with mine.

Gaz
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Posted: Monday, October 15, 2018 - 07:43 AM UTC
In these days of Snapchat, Instagram, Tweet and other ways of saying things using almost no words at all, I guess I should try keeping things short. @everyone, hereís the latest.

That was short but totally unsatisfying #using words in sentences can be fun and informative.




SteveAndrews
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Posted: Tuesday, October 09, 2018 - 06:24 AM UTC
Hey Russ

Great tip on the wire, thanks. I went hunting today but it seems oddly in short supply here in Switzerland. I'll order some on line for future work. In the meantime I annealed the wire and it makes it a lot more flexible like you said. Thanks also for the links - fabulous references!

Hi Oliver

Thanks for dropping in and for the kind thoughts. This is a 'throw-everything-at-it' build for sure. I have to treat it like a series of sub-kits or I go ever so slightly mad.

Happy modelling guys,

Steve.
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Posted: Monday, October 08, 2018 - 04:03 AM UTC

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Hey Joel and Russ

Joel, thanks as ever for the encouragement. I've ben thinking about video and even tried a couple of shots. This stuff is so tiny that its hard for me to get anything useful, but maybe I'll try a video and stills combination.

Russ, now that's a great idea with the copper wire. Tonight I will try it out. Thanks very much for the tip. Those little connectors are made by drilling out Evergreen tubing, but I have a plan B.

Great to hear from you guys.

More soon I hope.

S






Steve, another idea for the connectors and insulators on the copper wire is to use copper "telephone wire" If you use this method, you don't have to anneal anything, the soft copper wire bends easily). I'm not sure what it would be called in the U.K., but it's solid wire of the appropriate diameter with a thin vinyl or plastic coating. Using a sharp knife, I separate the appropriate number of "connectors" at one end by running the blade around the wire just enough to cut through the coating. Then I strip off the rest of the insulation, and slide the "connectors" down the length of the wire and position them where I need them. It's a lot easier than drilling out those small bits of evergreen tube. Also, the USAF had a distinct method of labeling thier wires and tubing. I've photographed a marking guide in the wheel well of a C124 at McChord Air Base. It's included in a photo feature I did on the Base Museum for Large Scale Planes-- you might find it useful.

https://www.largescaleplanes.com/articles/article.php?aid=3151

There's also a some shots of my Hasegawa F-104C GE 79 engine showing the "telephone wire" insulation technique in the article I wrote for Large Scale Planes below. I used the "telephone wire" technique in the gear bays, cockpit, and engine:

https://www.largescaleplanes.com/articles/article.php?aid=3172

I tried to isolate the photos, but for some reason can't post the individual photos from the features. Hope you find them useful
VR, Russ
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Posted: Monday, October 08, 2018 - 03:58 AM UTC
Steve:
Just found Your thread and all I can say is that the level of detail here is really amazing. Wonderful work!

Keep on building!

Oliver