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Dassault Mirage III/5BA Heller 1/72
magnusf
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Posted: Thursday, November 30, 2017 - 08:19 AM GMT+7
Thomas! A few years ago, a friend of mine who is a very good modeller showed some of his tricks during a one-hour session at a modelling competition. Apart from commercially available photo-etch he mostly uses styrene for detailing. His ideas was that it is cheap, easy to carv and sculpt and easy to glue (something that metal of any kind is NOT!). And if you happen to break it during handling it is very easy to fix! So, you can't go wrong with the sprue and your work sure looks good!

Here's a link to one of his builds. It doesn't fly very well but it is both Swedish and interesting ! Note that it is actually nearly all-plastic!



Magnus
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Posted: Thursday, November 30, 2017 - 07:54 AM GMT+7
Hi guys! Here's just a quick stop over.

Thanks Oliver and alves for your support!

Please all of you keep in mind, that this build is more a practising object. The age of this kit is always present but I try out what is manageable and easy for me with the given parts and decided not to use copper wire or similar and handling with CA.
Even the most of the tiny stretched sprue I used so far are from the kit's sprues. Depending on it abilities. I think, best to glue together is the always the original kit's styrene. On the other hand, there's much difference comparing other company's styrene when it comes to forming, stretching or bending. So a lot of trial and error while assembling (and lots of "snip-of-the-tweezer" for a hungry carpet monster
)

Okay, back.
Wings are on, fitting is not too bad but gaps to be managed on the wing roots and fuselage connection on the underside..

Started also with some add-ons at the wheel wells..









appreciate your stopping by,

Thomas
alves
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Posted: Saturday, November 25, 2017 - 01:00 PM GMT+7
It is inspiring to follow this assembling process.
Congratulations!
Antilles
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Posted: Saturday, November 25, 2017 - 12:33 PM GMT+7

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Don't want to rescribe all the raised panel lines as it would be a disaster - so I just choose the longer ones and the ones that needed a touch up.



Hallo Thomas,

this is really an interesting aspect, to rescribe only a part of the panel lines. I never thought of this before, but it could work very well. Inspiring!

Oliver
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Posted: Friday, November 24, 2017 - 05:51 AM GMT+7
Hello mates!
Thanks for still following

Here's just a small update. Before moving on with the wheel wells (won't do too much there) I had to check the Delta Wing connections and the fuselage since it will be the base of the wells.
While dry fitting I already recognized the gaps and steps
but after glueing, sanding and a bit of filler I'm o.k. with it.
Don't want to rescribe all the raised panel lines as it would be a disaster - so I just choose the longer ones and the ones that needed a touch up.

Finally a dry fit just snapped together - Wings/fuselage joints need later attention.










Thanks for looking,
Thomas
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Posted: Sunday, November 19, 2017 - 02:54 AM GMT+7

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Thomas! It's your lucky day today: the tanks seem to have been either dark green only or dark green with white on the lower surfaces (or a very light grey). Check your messages!



Magnus



Great! Very much appreciated - thanks again for that, Magnus!

Th mas
magnusf
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Posted: Sunday, November 19, 2017 - 02:16 AM GMT+7
Thomas! It's your lucky day today: the tanks seem to have been either dark green only or dark green with white on the lower surfaces (or a very light grey). Check your messages!



Magnus
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Posted: Sunday, November 19, 2017 - 01:43 AM GMT+7
Hi there!
Well, actual I took a close look and try to enhance the plain wheel wells...
Still matching tiny parts , yet not much of any progress to show.


Thanks a lot Magnus, for the response!
Really no matter how long it takes as I know we all have our real life and I'm mainly busy too.
Very glad, you found a way to pass by and pushing me foreward. As for the tanks, I apologize my misleading term - and yes, thats what I would prefer. The Infos about the used sizes is very useful. Does it need different paint/camo?


Thank you Chris, for stopping by!
Those kits are far from modern standard but not bad at all. Good luck with your builds - showing a log here on Aeroscale would be fun...

Regards
Thomas
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Posted: Friday, November 17, 2017 - 11:59 PM GMT+7
Looks great mate, I also will follow your build as I am soon going retro and building the OLD Heller Ourougan and SAAB Tunnan.
nice work in the cockpit
magnusf
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Posted: Friday, November 17, 2017 - 09:41 PM GMT+7
Thomas! Sorry for my tardiness in answering, I've had a quite busy week !

With pylons, do you mean the pylons or the tanks? If you're thinking about the tanks, both the 500 litre supersonic ones and the huge 1700 litre tanks were used on the BAs in Belgian service. The supersonic ones looks a lot better !

When it comes to the camo, a Mirage is the perfect object to practice on: a delta has very little stuff that can be broken off and is a lot easier to mask than a WWII fighter for instance where there is lots of stuff sticking out! And the Mirage is a real looker in that camo!

Keep up the good work!




Magnus
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Posted: Monday, November 13, 2017 - 07:24 AM GMT+7
Thomas, you're doing great, mate!
In art they call it horror vacui - fear if empty spaces.
I keep following this build with maximum interest.

Gabriel
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Posted: Saturday, November 11, 2017 - 09:01 PM GMT+7
Thank you very much, Magnus!
I especially appreciate your stop over

And I agree with the marking option. Not only the whole shape looks best to me (although the bigger pylons disturbed it a bit - so I prepared the small ones instead. Suggestions about that?)
Another reason is, I always wanted to try painting a 3-colour camo scheme. Awaiting quite a challenge in managing that.

Thomas
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Posted: Saturday, November 11, 2017 - 08:04 PM GMT+7
Thomas! That's some serious cockpit detailing, beautifully done! I remember those Heller kits with fondness but realise that they were pretty basic really !

Markings: may I suggest a Belgian one? That's what I would go for at least !



Magnus
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Posted: Saturday, November 11, 2017 - 06:53 PM GMT+7
Thanks a lot for your comments, Gary and Oliver - much appreciated!

Aside the fiddling work I touched up some of the smaller parts.
The nose cone needs a different antenna since the original doesn't look nice to me (see pic). So I'll go with a piece of streched sprue again.
Also rescribed the outer line of the wheel rim a bit as it wasn't well molded too and little flattend the tyres.




Thanks for stopping by, Thomas
GazzaS
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Posted: Friday, November 10, 2017 - 11:20 AM GMT+7
Thomas,
That is some great scratch building you're doing on a tiny kit.

Gaz
Antilles
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Posted: Friday, November 10, 2017 - 10:20 AM GMT+7
Thomas:
Fantastic improvement of the cockpit area! I am really impressed and eagerly waiting for more!

Oliver
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Posted: Friday, November 10, 2017 - 04:41 AM GMT+7
Hi all!

a small update ...






Thomas
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Posted: Wednesday, November 08, 2017 - 06:04 AM GMT+7
Hi Guys, thanks for passing by!

Thanks a lot for your kind words, Gabriel!
But when displaying it separately you wouldn't even recognise it is there.

So it went finally into the fuselage ...

Apart from some sink marks and seams/gaps to be managed and filled,the fit of the two halves is o.k.

Now there was a big empty space on the pit's front needing some add-on's. Again I used some stretched sprue and styrene parts to inmprove a bit.
It's nearly impossible to add much more since the clear parts are quite nice but a little thick. If the canopy had been competely trash, I wouldn't had done that plus detailing.














THomas
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Posted: Monday, October 30, 2017 - 04:04 AM GMT+7
Great job, Thomas!

After all that work you should display the cockpit separately!

Waiting for the continuation,
Gabriel
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Posted: Sunday, October 29, 2017 - 05:29 AM GMT+7
Hi everybody and thanks for stopping by!

Finished the kit's seat/cockpit part transformation, so let me show it before it went inside the fuselage.
Bashed with decals the details were painted and flat coated. Maybe some touchups; the colors pop a bit more out in the pics than in real.

I'm not going to do a harness as it could only worsen that already really time consuming tiny and fiddling piece.
Besides the fun, I tell you this is true hard practising for me. Just to see what is possible and suitable in enhacing/editing the given parts.












Cheers, Thomas
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Posted: Monday, October 23, 2017 - 05:44 AM GMT+7
Thanks Oliver, a will surely help much.

Done the nozzle and call it "okay":




After comparing the wing parts to pics of the real a/c I wanted the flaps down. So they have to be cutted off from the one-piece-molded upper part. Then aligning the connections for the right angle for glueing on. The sink marks on the flaps are another problem

... and the plain undetailed wheel wells need some additional work as well.





Thomas
Antilles
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Posted: Tuesday, October 17, 2017 - 07:55 AM GMT+7

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Hi folks!
Again thank you, Gabriel and Oliver for your words.
And thanks guys for looking, hope it's quite enjoyable .



Thomas, yes this build thread is really enjoyable. Got chair and beer ready.
Very nive progress. Love the tubing!

Oliver
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Posted: Tuesday, October 17, 2017 - 06:31 AM GMT+7
Hi folks!
Again thank you, Gabriel and Oliver for your words.
And thanks guys for looking, hope it's quite enjoyable .

Some more progress on the above shown parts.

The instrument panel gets an update from styrene parts.





While detailing the cockpit's rear I had to leave the fuselage halves unglued, otherwise it's impossible to attach finally the pit/bay-part inside. So that made it all a bit tricky for the tiny parts and dryfitting procedures.

Now took again the halves, inserted some nose weight (care:tailsitter!) and gave a first shot of primer.
Also primed the pit and the front wheel bay. For all I'm using Vallejo Black Primer (for some depth/preshade-reasons).

I must say, that I'm quite happy how it turned out and think that should be enough scratching there without looking overdone.










Have a good time; Thomas
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Posted: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 - 08:31 AM GMT+7
Thomas, you're overcoming beautifully the kit's shortages. Following. Learning. Thank you!

Gabriel
Antilles
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Posted: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 - 02:14 AM GMT+7
Wow, great and inspiring work on the nozzle! This one will be very nice. Keep on posting.

Oliver