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Revell Bell H-13H Sioux
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Posted: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 - 11:20 PM GMT+7
I am restarting my Revell Bell H-13H Sioux helicopter, and I'm looking for some advice. I'd like to build the kit as a Korean War era medivac helicopter, but the H-13H wasn't used in Korea. Is there any way to backdate the Revell kit to a C or D model, or is there a commercially available H-13D kit?

Thanks,
Jim
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Posted: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 - 11:44 PM GMT+7
The Revell kit would take a lot of work to backdate. You would have to rework the instrument panel and interior config, new fuel tank, new skids, etc., etc.

There is a very nice kit of the Bell 47D/H-13D that is correct for a Korean War helo. It is by MRC/Academy and is readily available.

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Posted: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 - 04:44 AM GMT+7
Thanks, Gino. That'll work.

Jim
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Posted: Saturday, May 20, 2017 - 12:16 PM GMT+7
Here is an update on the progress on the Bell OH-13H Sioux. This is the kit I'm starting with:


I wanted to do it as a MASH helicopter, but the Revell kit is an H-13H, not the H-13D that was used in Korea. I didn't know this at the time that I purchased the kit, so the Revell Marketing Department did their job in capitalizing on the popularity of the TV show "M*A*S*H". I bought it to do a MASH helicopter, so it worked!

For those of you who are unfamiliar with this kit, the framework of the main body is molded in one piece:


Yes, it's molded way out of scale, but what are you going to do? I was at the American Helicopter Museum in West Chester, PA, yesterday; and they have an H-13D in MASH colors. I checked the main parts of the frame (while no one was looking) & they are about 1" in diameter. The kit's scale out to about 2.1" in diameter. I realize why Revell did this, though. If they molded it in the correct diameter for 1/35 scale, the main support members would be 0.7mm & would be very weak. Conversely, of they did the main structure in brass, the kit would be very expensive & probably wouldn't sell well. Balance.

Here is the Lycoming VO-435 engine (or at least it's supposed to be):


Overview:


Cockpit close-up (well sort of):


Jim
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Posted: Saturday, May 20, 2017 - 01:04 PM GMT+7
Jim - that is coming along good. Looking forward to seeing more, thanks for sharing
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Posted: Saturday, May 20, 2017 - 01:36 PM GMT+7
Thanks. Hopefully some more progress the weekend.

Jim
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Posted: Sunday, May 21, 2017 - 08:25 AM GMT+7
You could always do it as one of the TV show props. At lest it'll be authentic
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Posted: Sunday, May 21, 2017 - 09:08 AM GMT+7

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You could always do it as one of the TV show props. At lest it'll be authentic



Not really, the decals are supposed to represent the Bell-47s seen in the M*A*S*H tv show. However, the ones in the show were actually H-13Ds as seen in the Korean War. They had side panels added to the engines with MASH and a caduceus on them.



It would be more accurate to build the Revell kit as an unarmed OH-13H observation bird, as that was their most common use during the Vietnam war. By that time they were designated OH-13Hs (OH = Observation Helicopter). This is what the Revell kit most closely represents.

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Posted: Sunday, May 21, 2017 - 09:27 AM GMT+7
That's kind of what I'm going for, just an unarmed observation helicopter. I am going to use the paint guide in the back of the instructions for the orange & white OH-13H Artic/Desert/Jungle scheme. I'm note sure how accurate it is, but it will be eye catching. It's either that or a police helicopter.

Gino, do you have a decent photo of the antenna base for this helicopter? The Revell instructions are a little vague.

Jim
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Posted: Sunday, May 21, 2017 - 11:37 AM GMT+7
I thought for sure there was at least one -47G

But perhaps that was a private owner trying to cash in.
Edit: Two.


Build one of these, and you'll have an accurate model of a fake MASH helicopter
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Posted: Sunday, May 21, 2017 - 01:17 PM GMT+7
Jessica, thanks for the pics.

Jim
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Posted: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 - 04:11 AM GMT+7

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Gino, do you have a decent photo of the antenna base for this helicopter? The Revell instructions are a little vague.



Sorry I didn't see your question earlier. These pics may help.





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I thought for sure there was at least one -47G...



Those are both civil/private-owner later model Bell 47Gs (removable fuel tanks w/straps) that have been painted up to sort of look like helicopters from the M*A*S*H TV show.
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Posted: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 - 05:33 AM GMT+7
Yes, those do help. Thanks.

Jim
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Posted: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 - 08:22 AM GMT+7

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Those are both civil/private-owner later model Bell 47Gs (removable fuel tanks w/straps) that have been painted up to sort of look like helicopters from the M*A*S*H TV show.



And the Revell kit will suffice to do an accurate model of those sort of like the M*A*S*H TV show helicopters
Of course, you need to scratch build the angular skids for one of them, but that's not unachievable with a bit of piano wire or Evergreen stock.
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Posted: Sunday, June 18, 2017 - 01:33 PM GMT+7
So I managed to get some work done on the Sioux in the last few days between work & the rain. The cockpit is just about done:


And here's a shot of the WIP instrument panel. Does anyone know what that ring is supposed to be? Is it a gun sight?


And an overall WIP shot. The engine & cockpit are not permanently mounted yet. They're just "posed" for the photo.


More to come! Soon, I hope.

Jim
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Posted: Sunday, June 18, 2017 - 02:22 PM GMT+7
The ring looks like it may be an RDF loop - Radio Direction Finder
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Posted: Sunday, June 18, 2017 - 02:25 PM GMT+7

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The ring looks like it may be an RDF loop - Radio Direction Finder



Exactly what it is.

Looking great so far.
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Posted: Monday, June 19, 2017 - 01:06 AM GMT+7
Thanks for the information. I'll leave the ring on then.

Jim
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Posted: Sunday, September 10, 2017 - 01:14 PM GMT+7
This is more of a "let's see if this works" as opposed to an actual update. Anyway, here is where the H-13H stands now:


(Hmm, that's kind of small.)

Having a lot of trouble with the white: it doesn't want to stay on the plastic. After I spray it on, it just seems to run off. It's really weird. I've tried washing the plastic, priming, changing from Tamiya to Testors; and all have the same results. There are two cans of Tamiya white on the boom structure. It's crazy.

Hoping to have more updates soon.

Jim
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Posted: Sunday, September 10, 2017 - 01:47 PM GMT+7
Looking pretty good. White can be a hard color to apply. I find multiple thin coats fully dried between applications works well.

To make the pic larger, remove the thumbs/ part of the image code.

http://gallery3.kitmaker.net/data/500/thumbs/2017-08-05_21_35_18.jpg



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Posted: Monday, September 11, 2017 - 12:28 AM GMT+7
Thanks, Gino. Well, now I know. I really don't know a lot of this coding stuff.

How are you riding out Irma? Much damage where you are? I grew up down in Miami, and the pictures are pretty wild!

Jim
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Posted: Monday, September 11, 2017 - 03:45 AM GMT+7
We came through just fine; no damages, no power outage. We went up to Tampa to my in-laws' house. It sounds like the Cape Coral / Fort Myers area took a pretty good beating.
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Posted: Thursday, September 28, 2017 - 12:01 PM GMT+7
Not the neatest job on masking the main rotor, but it's closer to done. Tail rotor is in paint right now.



Jim
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Posted: Friday, September 29, 2017 - 09:33 AM GMT+7
Calling it done!



Jim