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WnW Decals - setting solution or no?
rdt1953
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Posted: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 - 06:54 AM UTC
Hi to all - I've begun my homework for an eventual WnW D VII build and I note on their site that they DO NOT recommend setting solutions for their large decals ( i.e. Lozenge) Do they indeed snuggle down without it ? Any advice either way would be appreciated. Thanks - Richard
phantom_phanatic309
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Posted: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 - 07:12 AM UTC
Hi Richard,

Last year I started their Rumpler C.IV (a superb kit) last year and found I needed something to get the large internal lozenge decal to snuggle down. I used Microsol and Microset with no ill effects and they settled down nicely over the fine stitch detail.



I also used the same solutions on the instrument and radio decals. Some of these were tiny and no problems were noticed. In fact I found their decals to be quite tough. They are however, very glossy so will need a matt or satin clear coat after.

Other people may have different experiences.

Good luck with your build, you definitely will not regret buying any WNW kit.
Merlin
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Posted: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 - 08:12 AM UTC
Hi Richard

WNW's decals are printed by Cartograf and I've read plenty of posts recommending using Micro Sol and Set with them. I used Mr Decal Softener without any problems on the tail lozenges for the Hansa-Brandenburg W.12, and I found the decal needed the help to conform neatly around the edges and over the hinges. However, I've noted other people saying to be careful with the stuff.

As with all combinations or decals and setting solutions, I'd really advise you to do some tests for yourself for your own peace of mind and confidence. There should be enough spare items on the decal sheet for you to check how they react.

All the best

Rowan
rdt1953
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Posted: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 - 08:40 AM UTC
Thanks gents - I thought as much - Microset and Microsol are the only solutions I have used for centuries so that part is good news - Rowan - glad you mentioned testing - sometimes my train leaves the station full throttle and I forget to check the signals - Richard
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Posted: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 - 09:01 AM UTC
Hi Richard.

Always used the Superset & Supersol system with no ill effects whatsoever on WNW kit decals and it was especially useful I found when applying the large lozenge areas on the wings of the DVII.

As always with Sol & Set though, be sure to rinse the model after the decals have fully dried to remove any excess decal solution fluids as these go noticeably yellow on the model or under varnish if left in situ after a couple of years or so.

Regards
Gary
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Posted: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 - 09:51 AM UTC
Richard,

Glad to help. I had forgotten about the spares myself. A good source for testing. I know that in the Rumpler, WNW provide a couple of square inches of extra lozenge to fill any gaps, conversions etc.. so no doubt the Fokker will have the same.

Gary,

Thanks for the tip about washing afterwards. Something I hadn't done myself (other than a quick wipe with a damp rag) despite using the stuff for years. Haven't noticed any discolouration but not something I want to risk. I'll be sure to wash afterwards!

Only complaint I have with Microset and Sol is that with my recent conversion to acrylics, I do find they can attack the paint and make it soft. Even had the stuff turn black a slight grey colour. And that was after a coat of Klear. Maybe that's a discussion for another thread though.
redcap
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Posted: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 - 12:20 AM UTC
Hi Richard.

Glad to hear you have had no problems though alas, I had a couple of models go a dirty brown/yellow on the white paint areas (D-Day wing stripes) where I failed to wipe it off; though that was years ago when I first started to use the stuff and simply varnished straight over the black wing stripe decals. If you have been giving your models a wipe over and with no adverse effects, then stick with it as you are clearly doing just fine as you are!

Cheers Richard.
Gary
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Posted: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 - 12:57 PM UTC

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Hi Richard

WNW's decals are printed by Cartograf and I've read plenty of posts recommending using Micro Sol and Set with them. I used Mr Decal Softener without any problems on the tail lozenges for the Hansa-Brandenburg W.12, and I found the decal needed the help to conform neatly around the edges and over the hinges. However, I've noted other people saying to be careful with the stuff.




Mr. Decal Softener is the strongest of the setting solutions I think. I prefer it. People warn you to be cautious with it because it will turn future cloudy white if you let a lot of the solution sit on it. It doesn't happen all of the time, but the times that it has happened to me, I had used the solution of decals on the fuselage (large insignia) and the solution ran down the side and formed a large drop on the bottom of the fuselage. I didn't notice at the time, but I'm more careful now and haven't had a problem since.