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World War II: Germany
Aircraft of Germany in WWII.
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Eduard Fw190A-6, Hans Dortemann
Willard79
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Wellington, New Zealand
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Posted: Friday, April 07, 2017 - 11:32 AM GMT+7
Hello,
Now the bench is clear, I'm going to have a crack at this puppy, and try and document it as well.


I'm keen to do a white wash scheme, and I'm going to use this product.

Here it is applied to my long suffering test subject.

The kit has a bit of an unforgiving reputation and this is my first time building it, so I'm going OOTB and buttoned up.
c4willy
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Posted: Saturday, April 08, 2017 - 03:32 PM GMT+7
Interesting use of medium Spud I'll follow along to get an idea of the Eduard kit and to see how the white distemper paint works as I wonder how easy it is to remove.
Willard79
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Wellington, New Zealand
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Posted: Saturday, April 08, 2017 - 07:21 PM GMT+7
Cheers Chris, on the test wing it wasn't to bad just a case of scrubbing with water until you get the look you're after.
Some updates:
the tub, forward bulkhead and engine assembled. The engine and gun bays are going to be buttoned up, so no dramas there.

I've decided to not use the pre-painted side walls because I'm not really sure about the colour compared to the Modelmaster RLM 66 I'm going to be using. Plus it give me chance to practice some brush work.

Starting to assemble the gear bay, these two parts are critical for getting the upper wings to sit properly. It's pretty tricky trying to get this positioned and clamped down, so fingers crossed.

GazzaS
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Queensland, Australia
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Posted: Saturday, April 08, 2017 - 09:13 PM GMT+7
I have the A8 in my stash. Seems these Eduard FW's are tricky.

Gaz
thegirl
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Alberta, Canada
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Posted: Sunday, April 09, 2017 - 10:02 AM GMT+7
looking forward on seeing how this turns out


Terri
Willard79
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Wellington, New Zealand
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Posted: Sunday, April 09, 2017 - 12:32 PM GMT+7
Crud. Seems I wasn't as precise as the kit required. I'm not panicking yet, a test fit of the cockpit to the fuselage showed the difference between perfect and rubbish was very fine. It may not take much to convince the wing to behave.


The tub has been primed and I'm playing with a little bit of B&W modulation.


cheers, PS I just realise I misspelled Dortenmann. How embarrassment.
rochaped
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Lisboa, Portugal
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Posted: Sunday, April 09, 2017 - 11:11 PM GMT+7
Spud,

First time I see this picture, seems an otiginal colour photo, not colourised as many.
You probably noticed also that the spinner is not red as Eduard calls, but rather black or rlm 70 with a spiral. Wonder if that plane had 2 different spinners in its lifetime??

Good choice indeed and good luck with the washable white, sure it will turn out great

Cheers
Pedro
Willard79
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Wellington, New Zealand
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Posted: Monday, April 10, 2017 - 08:00 AM GMT+7
Hi Pedro,
the image has been coloured, there's a box in the bottom left corner that say 'Coloured by...'. As for the spinner, yes I did note that that was black, but could just be an interpretation (the same could be said of Eduards scheme).
If anyone who is reading has more info, then I'd be grateful for it.
Otherwise I may just flip a coin.

cheers.
kahunaminor
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New South Wales, Australia
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Posted: Monday, April 10, 2017 - 09:44 AM GMT+7
Nice to see you tackling this one Spud.
Eduard's Fw190's are definitely engineered with very tight tolerances but with due care, build up nicely. Here is a link to my last one over at BM.

http://www.britmodeller.com/forums/index.php?/topic/235005921-148-eduard-fw-190a-5-hptm-egon-mayer-france-1943/

Not self promotion or ego but hopefully, the way I tackled some of the problems may help you avoid the worst of them.

Regards,
Willard79
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Wellington, New Zealand
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Posted: Monday, April 10, 2017 - 09:55 AM GMT+7

Quoted Text

Nice to see you tackling this one Spud.
Eduard's Fw190's are definitely engineered with very tight tolerances but with due care, build up nicely. Here is a link to my last one over at BM.

http://www.britmodeller.com/forums/index.php?/topic/235005921-148-eduard-fw-190a-5-hptm-egon-mayer-france-1943/

Not self promotion or ego but hopefully, the way I tackled some of the problems may help you avoid the worst of them.

Regards,



Thanks Kent, I'll review this before I go any further, I did manage to get the upper wings to settle down somewhat with some careful sanding of the internal bulkhead.
regards.
kahunaminor
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New South Wales, Australia
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Posted: Monday, April 10, 2017 - 11:25 AM GMT+7

Quoted Text


Quoted Text

Nice to see you tackling this one Spud.
Eduard's Fw190's are definitely engineered with very tight tolerances but with due care, build up nicely. Here is a link to my last one over at BM.

http://www.britmodeller.com/forums/index.php?/topic/235005921-148-eduard-fw-190a-5-hptm-egon-mayer-france-1943/

Not self promotion or ego but hopefully, the way I tackled some of the problems may help you avoid the worst of them.

Regards,



Thanks Kent, I'll review this before I go any further, I did manage to get the upper wings to settle down somewhat with some careful sanding of the internal bulkhead.
regards.



Glad to hear, that is pretty much how I tackled it.

Good luck!

Regards,

Kent
Knuckles
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Oregon, United States
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Posted: Monday, April 10, 2017 - 11:30 AM GMT+7
Be cautious with the washable white. I tried that brand and left it on my model for about a week, then went back to try to wash it off and it had set hard. I was able to get it to fade a little, but I couldn't expose any of the base paint. I had applied a gloss coat beforehand to seal the base between the whitewash. Hope yours goes differently.
goodn8
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Berlin, Germany
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Posted: Monday, April 10, 2017 - 05:21 PM GMT+7
Hi Spud!

Nice start.
Following your build as I assemble a Fw190 for ETO-cpgn.(Revell, similar fiddling) my own at the moment and did some research about possible units.
A b/w photo of the crashed "Black-7-Hans-Dortenmann" shows a darker coloured spinner with an even more darker spiral. So I think red with black is more likely.


Thomas
rochaped
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Posted: Monday, April 10, 2017 - 07:30 PM GMT+7
Ups, I didn't noticed that box on the lower corner my bad!
On the other hand, the colorisation of this photo is very well done as it misleads the eye easily in my opinion, but in view of the BW image that Thomas posted above, they definitly got the spinner wrong for it can't be black or black or black green.

Keep it up

Cheers
Pedro

Willard79
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Wellington, New Zealand
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Posted: Thursday, April 13, 2017 - 06:09 PM GMT+7
Christian, thanks. Iíve done a test, it does take a bit of scrubbing and I probably wonít leave it a week. I wonít be going nuts on it, the paint job seems uniform, so I just want to show a bit of wear and tear.
Thomas, thanks for that. Red and black it is.
So, Iím finished with the tub now, except for some delicate PE like the throttle control. Iíll install those just before I close it up.
Iíve got nothing against the painted PE instrument panels and use them often, but it was a satisfying exercise to paint the side panels by hand especially given the colour difference.
The seat belts are Eduards Fabric set. Theyíre not as detailed as the PE, but a heck of a lot easier to install.
Thanks for lookiní.
Willard79
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Wellington, New Zealand
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Posted: Sunday, April 16, 2017 - 03:05 PM GMT+7
I love PE, I hate PE, I love PE, I hate PE, I love PE, I hate PE...
I'm sure whoever invented this stuff did so to torment the obsessive compulsive.


The Cockpit and front gun bay are closed up with the fuselage.
the image below shows how fine the tolerances are.
I'm not sure if this is definitive, but what I found was you need to tape only the top of the fuselage to kinda roll it into itself. If you try and clamp it all around, say with rubber bands or tape, it tends to roll out and open up the gap at the gun bay.

Anyway, that bit's taken care of now, so far so good.

cheers.
Willard79
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Posted: Thursday, April 20, 2017 - 12:53 PM GMT+7

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so I'm going OOTB


Well shame on me, but these are too good to resist.
kahunaminor
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New South Wales, Australia
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Posted: Friday, April 21, 2017 - 10:27 PM GMT+7
Nothing wrong with a little controlled after market...
Willard79
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Wellington, New Zealand
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Posted: Monday, April 24, 2017 - 08:40 AM GMT+7
Cheers Kent,
I was doing another google reference search and came across your earlier build of Dortenmann's A8. There was a good tip about building the cowl, which I'm working on now, other than that the build has slowed a bit with work and whatnot.
[url=http://www.britmodeller.com/forums/index.php?/topic/234912857-eduard-148-fw190a-8/[/url]

regards.
Willard79
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Wellington, New Zealand
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Posted: Monday, April 24, 2017 - 07:15 PM GMT+7
I'm in dry-fit purgatory at the moment, so I thought I'd distract myself with doing something different with the exhausts. I'm going to try and fit the exhaust stubs to the cowl wall (thanks Kent) instead of fiddling around with the jig and I'm playing with the idea of bending a bit of flattened lead wire around some styrene to give a bit of depth.


Regards, and I hope all my Kiwi and Aussie compatriots had a reflective day, I know I did.
Willard79
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Posted: Friday, June 02, 2017 - 08:56 AM GMT+7
It's been a struggle to get to the bench, but some sporadic progress has been made over time.
The cockpit cowl is on and as mentioned by others, it can be a real snot to position and fix. I ended up gluing a couple of styrene tabs to help but even this can be awkward.

Dry fitting the lower wing showed a noticeable step where it meets the rear fuselage, so I've opted to pack it out and fill a gap rather than trying to build up a step.

gap side.

no gap side.
Then we've got some bits and bobs primed ready for painting.



cheers.
Willard79
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Posted: Friday, June 02, 2017 - 07:47 PM GMT+7
An assortment of painted bits and bobs.
Willard79
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Posted: Friday, July 14, 2017 - 04:49 PM GMT+7
I finally feel like Iíve made progress, after a long stretch of fitting and filling and sanding and filling and primer and sandingÖ etc etc Iím at the painting stage. Under side first with a different take on the pre shade, different for me at least.

Utilizing a Hand Clamp to hold the front canopy down.


Some material build up required to close a stubborn gap.


Pre-shade

There wasnít a large amount of filling to be done, but I wanted to take my time and do it right. As has been noted widely, the kit has a reputation and itís not completely undeserved, it just requires patience with a lot of test fitting and it goes together well. Having said that, Iím looking forward to seeing what Eduard does with their new A4 kit.

Cheers.
goodn8
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Posted: Friday, July 14, 2017 - 09:56 PM GMT+7
Spud, you are doing a really nice job on the Fw and a nice preshade! looks like most of the Fw190 kits suffer from a tricky and weak connection of cowling/fuselage/wings.

Thomas
Willard79
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Posted: Monday, July 24, 2017 - 04:26 PM GMT+7
Thomas Ė Thanks.
The 190 topside has been given a standard camo pattern to give something to show under its upcoming winter coat, as well as the bottom base color being applied.
As is usually the case, it seems Iíve gone to heavy on the underside base coat and wiped away most of the pre-shade, Iím trying to be a bit bolder on contrast, but Iím struggling with it to be honest, my eyes have trouble accepting it.
However, it occurs to me that if Iím going to be overcoating with winter white then Iíve got an opportunity to practice some post shade over the standard camo scheme and not worry too much about stuffing it up too much. So, Iíll probably spend some time playing around with that while I mentally work through the decal/winter scheme/weathering sequence.




cheers.