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TBD-1 Midway Ens. George Gay
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Posted: Wednesday, May 23, 2018 - 02:25 AM UTC
Yeah I know that feeling! But mine is self induced I'm busy building for somebody else so the "projects" have all taken a back seat more or less.

I look forward to seeing what you do with this in the future!
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Posted: Tuesday, May 22, 2018 - 11:14 PM UTC
Oh my... well this plan and plane have been shelved until midsummer. I need to accomplish something quickly to keep my interest, so I will leave this thread for a bit.

But I will complete this dio eventually... I know we all do this, so I don't feel badly at all!

Cheers and thanks for playing along! Will be back next week with another episode of "What I Didn't Get Done Today"!
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Posted: Tuesday, February 06, 2018 - 09:53 AM UTC
If you happen to be able to have a hollow structure, you can thin it out and recreate BD that way as well.

I saved all the parts I removed just in case...

I have until November to finish this up, so I can try several routes. I may try layering up thin plastic stock as well to do some other stuff. The plane has lots of stuff to do.

Thanks for the advice. Russ Bucy sent me a really cool article on a B-17 with extensive battle damage. Its a great guide!
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Posted: Tuesday, February 06, 2018 - 06:11 AM UTC
Patrick I've seen holes cut in the original parts some internal structure built then aluminium foil covered over the top the holes then either opened up or the stuff peeled back to show the inner gubbins. I've also seen complete structures built from plastic and foil then laid over the top and then "damage" applied.
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Posted: Tuesday, February 06, 2018 - 05:59 AM UTC
My intention is do Ens. Gay's aircraft as he had to ditch during the battle. He said his rudder was shot up so he couldn't yaw and the pitch was gone because the rear elevators were also destroyed.

This means that have them in tatters the plastic parts won't do.

This is a first attempt... I am using balsa with tissue paper then Bare Metal Foil then two more layers of tissue paper. This gives a lot of thickness to the tail pieces but since they are the trailing edges maybe they won't be seen.

The photos show the process.




If this doesn't work, I have another idea that may work better with very thin sheets of plastic layered so that I can do some thinning and damage from the inside out and vice versa.

Your comments and criticism is always welcome.
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Posted: Tuesday, February 06, 2018 - 02:09 AM UTC
we are working with two different kits so I am not sure the problems would be the same. I don't recall needing to fill and sand that seam... will look to see.
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Posted: Tuesday, February 06, 2018 - 01:31 AM UTC
looking good so far patrick. let me know how you sanded the glue seams of the corrugated wing area with out damaging the ribs.

joe
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Posted: Monday, February 05, 2018 - 09:47 PM UTC
Hey, Joe, rather than trying to recreate all those posts with photos, here is a photo build log. Look under the album TBD-1 diorama...

https://pnance26.imgur.com/all/
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Posted: Monday, February 05, 2018 - 06:47 PM UTC
yeah i guess to reduce sun glare back into the pilot's eyes. same reason the Japanese painted theirs brown.
got a slow start on mine but the cockpit is almost done. sanding the glue seems on the corrugated wings is going to be tough though.


joe
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Posted: Monday, February 05, 2018 - 01:40 AM UTC
Joe, what I meant to say is the dark blue color, on the pilot facing side, extends from the tip of each blade down to approximately the top of the cowling. I can't really explain why but it kind of makes sense...
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Posted: Sunday, January 07, 2018 - 09:05 PM UTC
Sure, Joe, Ill try to get those back up. New computer, Christmas undecorating, the wifes birthday and s 48 hour Paramedic refresher class all have me spinning but Ill see what I can do!
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Posted: Sunday, January 07, 2018 - 10:06 AM UTC
thanks patrick. will do. i am building gay's skipper waldrons craft for the pto campaign.
i do like to get my builds as close to accurate as possible, it's just my way. for instance i know waldron had ordered the rear guns to be re fitted with a duel gun setup just before the battle. the monogram kit has a single gun so i cast a duel set from a hasegawa kit, i do take some liberties though.for instance- you make a good point about the cockpit color and i believe you mat be right but i may take your advice and go with what i like.
i will be following your build and look forward to comparing the two builds.

joe

p.s. i'd like to see some of the photos posted here that were on PB. could you repost them?
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Posted: Saturday, January 06, 2018 - 10:49 PM UTC
Joe, my only statement to the war years comment is that Midway happened very early in 1942 and there were many deficiencies to our carrier program. Based on the nearly total loss of TBD-1s at Midway, lots changed.

The prop livery may have been in the pre-war colors since many changes were underway. If you painted the cockpit tub aluminum on your build, I don't think it could be called inaccurate. And since there were only one or two TBD-1 aircraft left after Midway, it is hard to say what they looked like... down to the propellor. I would say just go with what you feel like you would do...

Post some pics either here or on another thread. I would be very interested in seeing your build.
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Posted: Saturday, January 06, 2018 - 10:00 PM UTC

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Joe, it has been close to a year since I spoke with Mark.

I am not even sure what I meant by cowl but I may be referring to the engine cowl...

You can speak with him directly by calling Starfighter.

Also, as I am not a rivet counter, I am not sure that it would be inaccurate to delete a detail. This is my build and as long as it doesn't vary or stray too far off the beaten path, I don't think it will matter.


i understand patrick. i wasn't intending to make any judgment on your build i was just saying i want to make sure my build was correct and maybe someone here may know if this was correct since i have never seen anything props painted anything but black during the war years.
looking forward to your finished model.

joe
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Posted: Saturday, January 06, 2018 - 09:51 PM UTC
yes that looks perfect to base your dio on.
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Posted: Saturday, January 06, 2018 - 08:52 PM UTC


This is a perfect photo to duplicate in my dio! I don't know where I found it but it is brilliant! Just need to finish the plane!
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Posted: Saturday, January 06, 2018 - 08:44 PM UTC
Joe, it has been close to a year since I spoke with Mark.

I am not even sure what I meant by cowl but I may be referring to the engine cowl...

You can speak with him directly by calling Starfighter.

Also, as I am not a rivet counter, I am not sure that it would be inaccurate to delete a detail. This is my build and as long as it doesn't vary or stray too far off the beaten path, I don't think it will matter.
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Posted: Saturday, January 06, 2018 - 04:52 AM UTC
He also told me that the propeller blade tip markings were still in use at Midway. Not only that but the dark blue color at the bottom was continued to the cowl on the rear of the prop for anti-glare purposes. The front the prop blades were black and the manufacturer logo went midway down the shaft of the blade.

patrick could you explain more clearly what you mean by "the dark blue color at the bottom was continued to the cowl on the rear of the prop for anti-glare"? the bottom of what? i don't know where mark got his info but I have never seen the back side of props painted blue for anti glare purpose on U.S.planes in the pacific. it wouldn't make sense since the props were painted flat black already. i too am doing a tbd midway build and want to get it right and i really don't think that is correct.
thanks-

joe
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Posted: Friday, December 29, 2017 - 08:53 PM UTC
IMGUR is free...


Here's the tutorial I wrote for Hyperscale so that people didn't waste money on hosting.

http://www.hyperscale.com/imgurtutorialmo_1.htm
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Posted: Friday, December 29, 2017 - 07:11 PM UTC
Thanks everyone for the photo hosting sites. I will be doing the necessary research. Isn't Flickr part of Google?
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Posted: Friday, December 29, 2017 - 12:18 PM UTC
Flickr is really good too!
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Posted: Friday, December 29, 2017 - 07:08 AM UTC

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Well, let's see, the last post was in July and I still haven't taken the time to find a new photo hosting site.

Any suggestions?

Also, progress has ground to a halt due to this little thing called life. I have more time off now but more stuff to do. After the holidays are packed away, I should get some time to get back at this project!

I got a paint jar shaker from Santa. What kind of toys and goodies did you get?



I use Imgur. It's free and I haven't had any issues with it.

https://imgur.com/?

Steve
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Posted: Friday, December 29, 2017 - 06:43 AM UTC
Thanks, Richard... $20 a year is better than no photos at all!

Happy New Year to all!
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Posted: Friday, December 29, 2017 - 05:46 AM UTC
Patrick - I signed up with ImageshackUS - At the time it was just under $ 20. / yr.
Much easier to use , faster and trouble free than PhotoF_ _kit. So far no issues with 3rd party hosting. Looking forward to your updates - Richard
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Posted: Friday, December 29, 2017 - 05:12 AM UTC
Well, let's see, the last post was in July and I still haven't taken the time to find a new photo hosting site.

Any suggestions?

Also, progress has ground to a halt due to this little thing called life. I have more time off now but more stuff to do. After the holidays are packed away, I should get some time to get back at this project!

I got a paint jar shaker from Santa. What kind of toys and goodies did you get?