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Photobucket Problems?
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Posted: Friday, June 30, 2017 - 02:18 AM UTC

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Same problem with my account.

My choice is Imgur now!

Is there any chance to edit my older posts and insert the new links? I cannot find the edit button in older posts.

Oliver



Ah, thats a really good point... I was going to go back through some of my old threads and update the image links but is that even an option?


I already asked staff Jim. Rumour is that he is working on something
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Posted: Friday, June 30, 2017 - 02:23 AM UTC
Just got my extortion note from Photobucket demanding $ 399 a year for third party hosting - all my pics in my build log are gone - does anyone know the policies of other photo hosting sites regarding "third party hosting " ?
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Posted: Friday, June 30, 2017 - 02:43 AM UTC
Richard, I just started with Postimage and it seems to work good for me.

https://old.postimage.org/

Bob
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Posted: Friday, June 30, 2017 - 05:04 PM UTC
I have also noticed this problem a few days ago when I checked my Assembly Line Thread at the WW2 Forum. The photos of 10 out of 12 pages are gone .... The photos in the last 2 pages are uploaded from imgur, so they are still there.
PB want 400 USD for what? This is not only a good idea to loose clients, it's also good to get a bad reputation .... Those guys can stick the $$$ in their butts if they think it's funny. Good-bye PB, I will never see you again. Imgur hasn't disappointed me yet and I hope they will not.
Recently I found a free german picture host called imgbox.de. Just havn't checked them out yet. I'll try to see how they work.

Torsten
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Posted: Friday, June 30, 2017 - 07:33 PM UTC

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Just got my extortion note from Photobucket demanding $ 399 a year for third party hosting - all my pics in my build log are gone - does anyone know the policies of other photo hosting sites regarding "third party hosting " ?


yeah they got me yesterday too
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Posted: Friday, June 30, 2017 - 07:40 PM UTC
Trying out Imgur.
Also trying to get a few images off photobucket that I didnt keep on the PC for some reason. The site is extremely slow. Probably the entire user base downloading all their albums
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Posted: Friday, June 30, 2017 - 08:01 PM UTC
Paul, if you are successful in retrieving those photos. Please tell us the process, I cannot get mine off of PB.

Bob
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Posted: Friday, June 30, 2017 - 08:09 PM UTC
Oh, and slowly going to update all the image links in my blogs, maybe a page a day or something as it's tiresome work...
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Posted: Friday, June 30, 2017 - 08:17 PM UTC

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Paul, if you are successful in retrieving those photos. Please tell us the process, I cannot get mine off of PB.

Bob



Hi Bob, the process is quite simple thankfully although painfully slow as PB is probably getting hit by a lot of download requests and, lets face it, their site was getting slower over the recent months anyway!

*Edit* I think patience is the key at the moment.

Open up each album in turn. On the right of the screen you'll see a small link "download album". Click this and I'm seeing a security window where you need to click a button to prove you're not a robot data mining thousands of pictures
Then hit download. It might take a while for the download to be ready (especially if you have large image sizes) as PB will package the images into a zip file for you to download.

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Posted: Friday, June 30, 2017 - 08:21 PM UTC

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Oh, and slowly going to update all the image links in my blogs, maybe a page a day or something as it's tiresome work...


Is this even an option? Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't believe you can edit blogs after the one hour editing limit set by Armorama.

Also ... Just before all this went down, I seem to recall a grey survey pop-up would appear at login (lower RH screen) asking "How do you use Photobucket." I was wondering: Did any of you click on it to answer the survey?
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Posted: Friday, June 30, 2017 - 08:26 PM UTC

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Oh, and slowly going to update all the image links in my blogs, maybe a page a day or something as it's tiresome work...


Is this even an option? Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't believe you can edit blogs after the one hour editing limit set by Armorama.



I noticed that I can edit all my old posts in my Lancaster blog. I don't know if this is something specific to do with it being tagged as a blog upon creation or something????
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Posted: Saturday, July 01, 2017 - 10:00 AM UTC

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Oh, and slowly going to update all the image links in my blogs, maybe a page a day or something as it's tiresome work...


Is this even an option? Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't believe you can edit blogs after the one hour editing limit set by Armorama.



I noticed that I can edit all my old posts in my Lancaster blog. I don't know if this is something specific to do with it being tagged as a blog upon creation or something????



If you set the thread up as a build log at the start you can always go back and edit any of your own posts.
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Posted: Saturday, July 01, 2017 - 03:22 PM UTC
Yesterday I successfully downloaded about 500 photos from my PB account which are all shown in my main threads here in Aeroscale. My account on PB was just 4 % full before I changed to Imgur. After fighting through dozens of ads (for what do they want my money then?) it all went quite quick though I still needed several hours.

Yesterday I also wrote a pm to Rowan asking if there is a possibility to edit my own postings. There is only a very short time limit for doing so. But we all would need much time to restore our postings and threads. Rowan was so kind to forward my request to staff_jim asking to set the time limit aside. We'll see what will happen.

Have a nice Sunday
Torsten
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Posted: Saturday, July 01, 2017 - 06:06 PM UTC

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Yesterday I successfully downloaded about 500 photos from my PB account which are all shown in my main threads here in Aeroscale. My account on PB was just 4 % full before I changed to Imgur. After fighting through dozens of ads (for what do they want my money then?) it all went quite quick though I still needed several hours.

Yesterday I also wrote a pm to Rowan asking if there is a possibility to edit my own postings. There is only a very short time limit for doing so. But we all would need much time to restore our postings and threads. Rowan was so kind to forward my request to staff_jim asking to set the time limit aside. We'll see what will happen.

Have a nice Sunday
Torsten



Maybe this helps

I refer especially to staff_jim his response.

My proposal to staff_jim was (maybe in another post) that he would make a script able to find pictures on "foreign" sites and download/store these on kitmaker, and at the same time change the links in the forum threads to point to the local pictures.

If he manages then manual downloading and re-uploading on kitmaker may become unnecessary.
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Posted: Saturday, July 01, 2017 - 08:06 PM UTC
The more I contemplate Photobucket's recent action the more angry I become. I am not well versed in internet technology but I learn more every day. I am a relative newcomer to the blog world - my first was the Hucks truck started here on Aeroscale at the end of January 2016 so a total of a year and a half- I'm a relative beginner.

I struggled tremendously with photo posting initially - the first page of my first blog painfully and embaressingly revealed my ignorance in these matters but with the help of Jessica and others I eventually got it. The sharing of our hobby with each other became a source of great joy for me .

I signed up with Photobucket several years ago at the recommendation of my daughter to store a few photos of one of my other passions - Norton motorcycles - because I had no i pad at the time and the pics were on my wife's digital camera. I think the sum total of images I had on photo bucket until I started my first blog here was approximately 12.

My account is the free one - I had no knowledge that they even offered anything other than the $ 12 deal to bypass the ads. Frankly, the ads never troubled me that much and I make it point to click on them from time to time because I understand that is how they make their income.

Apparently the more images one posts and the more people view them it increases the requirements ( bandwidths ? ) on Photobuckets part - again let me state my ignorance regarding this technology. Photobucket is a business that provides a service and as such they are entitled to their profits. I have since learned that they previously offered a $ 60. program that took care of the bandwidth issues - I know this because my brother in law who frequently posts his armor work paid for this program but now he - like myself and many,many others - has been told he now needs to pay $ 400. per year . How does a business make the leap to charge $ 400. per year for something they managed to provide previously and presumably profitably for $ 60. ?

As a private business they are entitled to charge whatever they like and I will be the first to defend their right to do so. What they are NOT entitled to do is vandalize other peoples' hard work by taking down the photos which they previously allowed. I don't know the legality of who owns the images once they are stored on PB - I do know they did not take the photos I posted - I did . Some of the money I earn gets stored in the bank
- they don't own it - I do. The photos did not get posted by PB - they were posted by me through my efforts - surely I should have some say in there disposition. This travesty that PB has initiated hasn't just affected us on Kitmaker - it has undone the hard work of likely hundreds of thousands if not millions of individuals who post pictures for thousands of reasons ranging from hobbies to selling things to earning their livelihood and seems to me in my very amateur awareness of legal matters to be a very real basis for a class action lawsuit.

The right thing for Photobucket to do is reinstate all the images EVERYWHERE that were posted before their policy change - let us see if they can man up and do it - HOW ABOUT IT PHOTOBUCKET - ARE YOU LISTENING ?
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Posted: Saturday, July 01, 2017 - 08:37 PM UTC
Whatever we think about it:

- if only 10% of their 100 million users pay the yearly 400 dollar a year then they earn an extra 4 billion a year

- if the others go away then they reduce their working costs with another xx dollar a year

I guess that photobucket doesn't make a huge profit with their current business model so they give the finger to all those "free" users.

Nikon, with its image hosting site recently did the same to me but they were not so brutal. Now every picture downloaded comes with a "NIKON IMAGESPACE" banner on top of it.

I guess we have to come to terms that in our world and economy nothing is for free.
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Posted: Saturday, July 01, 2017 - 11:51 PM UTC

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Whatever we think about it:

- if only 10% of their 100 million users pay the yearly 400 dollar a year then they earn an extra 4 billion a year

- if the others go away then they reduce their working costs with another xx dollar a year

I guess that photobucket doesn't make a huge profit with their current business model so they give the finger to all those "free" users.

Nikon, with its image hosting site recently did the same to me but they were not so brutal. Now every picture downloaded comes with a "NIKON IMAGESPACE" banner on top of it.

I guess we have to come to terms that in our world and economy nothing is for free.



I have no problem paying for what I use providing it seems fair and reasonable. If it seems unfair and/or unreasonable I have the option of using a different provider.
I have a TREMENDOUS problem with one of the parties in a previously mutually beneficial relationship tearing down the work of another and holding it for ransom which is precisely what Photobucket has done to me and a great , great many others.
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Posted: Sunday, July 02, 2017 - 01:20 AM UTC

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I have no problem paying for what I use providing it seems fair and reasonable. If it seems unfair and/or unreasonable I have the option of using a different provider.
I have a TREMENDOUS problem with one of the parties in a previously mutually beneficial relationship tearing down the work of another and holding it for ransom which is precisely what Photobucket has done to me and a great , great many others.



I totally agree with that, unfortunately that does not stop them.
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Posted: Sunday, July 02, 2017 - 04:35 AM UTC

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I have no problem paying for what I use providing it seems fair and reasonable. If it seems unfair and/or unreasonable I have the option of using a different provider.
I have a TREMENDOUS problem with one of the parties in a previously mutually beneficial relationship tearing down the work of another and holding it for ransom which is precisely what Photobucket has done to me and a great , great many others.



I totally agree with that, unfortunately that does not stop them.


True that. It's their service and their users are free to either comply or not with their TOS updates in order to keep using that service with whatever level of access they choose to do, but I still can't help but feel this is one big d**k move on their behalf.
Understandable perhaps, considering if their service is not doing so well against the current stiff competition by X amount of other picture hosting services, but this move from free accounts having less (but still quite ample) storage space with full linking options with added ads, to suddenly being asked to pay exorbitant amounts to even get that hotlinking support back - for which likely most, if not all signed up in the first place - seems like quite a misguided, and honest seeminly delusional, attempt at trying to keep a dying enterprise afloat. A measure I have no trouble believing will likely only serve to hasten its demise.

Oh btw, one really handy tip about Imgur to whomever has chose to which to it: no matter what the site appears to imply with its uploading procedure, that 'final' step of clicking the "share to community" step is entirely optional!
After you've chosen your files to upload and the upload process is done and you've written your captions and album title (if you want to have them), the upload is finished and you can close that browser tab or window. You don't have to partake in the whole "community" activity of subjecting your uploads to up & downvoting and commenting (which oftentimes is pretty much all cancer, to be honest) if you don't want to.
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Understandably every PB user would be miffed at their decision to change their hosting rules, but (and maybe I'm showing my ignorance here) why not subscribe to KM Network? It's reasonably priced, you get 500MB of storage for your pictures(that will never be taken down), and if more people subscribed the site would get better n better...

Personally I've never been comfortable with the idea that my work would be available on 'free' sites like PB because it draws into question, who actually owns the image? And on that reason alone I opted to subscribe to KM Network. I don't need to worry now if PB or whoever decides to change the rules to link to my own images.

And no, I don't work for KM Network
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Posted: Sunday, July 02, 2017 - 01:01 PM UTC

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Understandably every PB user would be miffed at their decision to change their hosting rules, but (and maybe I'm showing my ignorance here) why not subscribe to KM Network? It's reasonably priced, you get 500MB of storage for your pictures(that will never be taken down), and if more people subscribed the site would get better n better...

Personally I've never been comfortable with the idea that my work would be available on 'free' sites like PB because it draws into question, who actually owns the image? And on that reason alone I opted to subscribe to KM Network. I don't need to worry now if PB or whoever decides to change the rules to link to my own images.

And no, I don't work for KM Network



You nail it perfectly!!! This would indeed be the perfect solution.

So, why did I not subscribe (yet): for many, perhaps bad, reasons (I hope I don't offend anyone here, it is certainly not the intention):

- because the only payment option given is paypal, I don't have a paypal account, I never needed it for anything else.

- because my photo site of choice (until recently) allowed me to put all my pictures there, not only those that are modelling related

- because the added value of subscribing seemed limited

- I did not move to nikon imagespace because my free space on kitmaker was exhausted but because the photo management software on kitmaker is cumbersome to use

- because the personal pages on kitmaker (the one you get by clicking on your nickname) look very poorly, and if I want a presence on the internet, this means I still need to build my own site (what I don't have anymore because to much work to maintain) or go to Facebook. (what I did not do either as I am a bit scared of that thing).

- because a few years ago I answered to a request for ideas to update the site that I would like the above to be altered and things did not change.

And there seem to be many like me and this puts this site in an impossible situation. It evolves very slowly by lack of investment by lack of income, can't keep up with the offers of the internet giants (who can?) and remains a best effort of a very small group of people. Users are looking for services elswhere that (c)should be integrated in kitmaker.

Maybe we should think about crowdfunding and together pay for an agreed set of improvements yet to come within a given timeframe, and get or money back by getting a free subscription for some time?




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Posted: Monday, July 03, 2017 - 07:56 PM UTC
Okay, seems IMGUR is out of the question for image hosting as well, at least as far as their TOS is concerned.


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"Also, don't use Imgur to host image libraries you link to from elsewhere, content for your website, advertising, avatars, or anything else that turns us into your content delivery network. If you do – and we will be the judge – or if you do anything illegal, in addition to any other legal rights we may have, we will ban you along with the site you're hotlinking from, delete all your images, report you to the authorities if necessary, and prevent you from viewing any images hosted on Imgur.com. We mean it."



Now I don't know how vehement exactly they are about enforcing those rules, though, and/or if it's intended more against their service being used for image hosting for entire websites and commercial purposes like Ebay listings and the like, rather than ordinary posting on forums and the like.
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Sorry for the double post, unable to edit my post anymore.

After some more research, it appears that hotlinkin pics hosted on Imgur is OK, as confirmed by a staff member: --link--

They sure could be a bit clearer with the wording on their TOS.
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Posted: Tuesday, July 04, 2017 - 12:49 PM UTC

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Sorry for the double post, unable to edit my post anymore.

After some more research, it appears that hotlinkin pics hosted on Imgur is OK, as confirmed by a staff member: --link--

They sure could be a bit clearer with the wording on their TOS.



Actually that's not great at all... quoted from your link:


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I'd be happy to help clarify this for you. Imgur allows hotlinking on forums, but hotlinked images cannot be used as content for a website, including blog posts, avatars, site elements, and advertising. Let me know if I can help further!



I imagine they are fine with occasional image linking in forums but blogs are likely to be image heavy and be viewed many times. Could be a problem.
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Posted: Tuesday, July 04, 2017 - 08:45 PM UTC

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Sorry for the double post, unable to edit my post anymore.

After some more research, it appears that hotlinkin pics hosted on Imgur is OK, as confirmed by a staff member: --link--

They sure could be a bit clearer with the wording on their TOS.



Actually that's not great at all... quoted from your link:


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I'd be happy to help clarify this for you. Imgur allows hotlinking on forums, but hotlinked images cannot be used as content for a website, including blog posts, avatars, site elements, and advertising. Let me know if I can help further!



I imagine they are fine with occasional image linking in forums but blogs are likely to be image heavy and be viewed many times. Could be a problem.



In the long run, you may expect similar problems as no with PB. The only reasonable solution is to have the photo's on the kitmaker network itself.