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1/48 B-17F Build - 303rd BGs Luscious Lady
Joel_W
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Posted: Monday, November 26, 2018 - 03:11 AM UTC
Brian,
Congrats on reaching another milestone in your epic build. Overall the Tamiya Neutral Gray primer looks excellent. As you said, a few redoes needed, but the vast majority of the dreaded rescribing came out just fine.

Joel
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Posted: Sunday, November 25, 2018 - 05:28 PM UTC
Hi Brian,
Though living in Thailand for more than 4 years now, I only took the chance to visit River Kwai museum in Kanchanaburi. Still have to visit Don Muaeng Museum, only a 20 minutes drive from my town. Pass it on my travels to other, business related places several times a month. History in Thailand however is a little bit like Disney World. Very colourfull.

Kind regards,

Robert Jan
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Posted: Sunday, November 25, 2018 - 05:16 PM UTC
FUSELAGE PRIMED!

It turned out far better than I expected. The places where re-work is still necessary are obvious, but there are relatively few of them. I feel lucky.

I used Tamiya Neutral Grey and am happy with it. Two birds with one stone.














More relatively soon, I hope.
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Posted: Sunday, November 25, 2018 - 04:57 PM UTC

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Klaus Kinski, what a nice side kick you present as reference for this everlasting epic build. One of the best movies I've ever seen in my life and very well explains your route to the finish.
Get it to the top Brian.

Kind regards,

Robert Jan



Robert,

Thanks so much for your kind reply! Yeah, Fitzcarraldo is a memorable film. Just as good in its own way is the movie about making the movie, and how filming it almost drove Werner Herzog as crazy as the character whose story he was telling. It's called "Burden of Dreams."

My goodness, you write all the way from Thailand! Causes me to think of Curtiss Hawk IIIs and 75N kits I have in my stash, and the Franco-Thai air war in 40-41. have you seen them in the Thai AF museum?

Best,

Brian



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Posted: Sunday, November 25, 2018 - 09:27 AM UTC

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Hell's bells I never realised that makes me the young upstart! I'm heading for 57 next year!



Well young man - I think it's past your bedtime !




It most certainly is.
These days I'm just glad that I actually get up in the morning, and I'm still in my bed

Joel
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Posted: Sunday, November 25, 2018 - 07:32 AM UTC

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Hell's bells I never realised that makes me the young upstart! I'm heading for 57 next year!



Well young man - I think it's past your bedtime !
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Posted: Sunday, November 25, 2018 - 07:21 AM UTC
Hell's bells I never realised that makes me the young upstart! I'm heading for 57 next year!
Joel_W
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Posted: Saturday, November 24, 2018 - 02:07 AM UTC

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Brian -
Nice to see you back ! Keep at it - it keeps you young . I guess I'm the baby here at 65 .

Cheers - Richard




Richard My Friend,
You certainly are. I'd kill to be 65 again

Joel
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Posted: Friday, November 23, 2018 - 11:52 PM UTC
Brian -
Nice to see you back ! Keep at it - it keeps you young . I guess I'm the baby here at 65 .

Cheers - Richard
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Posted: Friday, November 23, 2018 - 04:20 AM UTC

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Brian,

I'm really looking forward to your primer update later this weekend.

Joel



I'll get it done! So good to hear from you too. Hang in there with the "elders" and maybe you'll feel "younger."

I keep trying to tell myself that 69 is the new 49, but, well, ah, no.




Brian,
I'd gladly settle for the 69 even if it's not the new 49. I just turned 71


Joel
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Posted: Friday, November 23, 2018 - 02:58 AM UTC

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Brian,

I'm really looking forward to your primer update later this weekend.

Joel



I'll get it done! So good to hear from you too. Hang in there with the "elders" and maybe you'll feel "younger."

I keep trying to tell myself that 69 is the new 49, but, well, ah, no.
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Posted: Friday, November 23, 2018 - 02:57 AM UTC
Klaus Kinski, what a nice side kick you present as reference for this everlasting epic build. One of the best movies I've ever seen in my life and very well explains your route to the finish.
Get it to the top Brian.

Kind regards,

Robert Jan
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Posted: Friday, November 23, 2018 - 02:37 AM UTC
Brian,
What a wonderful Thanksgiving surprise. it's much appreciated. Hope that you had a great family day. Unfortunately, we spent the day at the hospital as my 95 year old Mother-n-law was admitted with heart failure, fluid in her lungs, etc. We did manage to have our very small family dinner by 7:30 last night.

You've certainly made a great deal of progress, and have finished rescribing, which like you, is my most detested modeling process. One that I avoid like the Plaque. From what I can see with this tired old eye, you did a fantastic job. I'm really looking forward to seeing how the recessed and raised panel lines look once primed. My feeling that they will blend together quite well.

As for your years on this build, it takes a great deal of fortitude, concentration, and dedication to stay for the long haul. I follow a scratch builder on a auto car model racing site that scratch builds 1/8 scale Porsche race cars, and that includes every single nut, bolt,. wire, etc. with no power tools. He just finished his 935 Moby Dick. Only took 6 3/4 years!

I'm really looking forward to your primer update later this weekend.

Joel
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Posted: Thursday, November 22, 2018 - 06:10 PM UTC
Well, here I am again much later than I would've liked. My day job has been pretty tough, as you might imagine for an immigration lawyer working in the Trump era. But I will dispense with that unpleasantness in deference to the "no shop in mess" norm. I offer this update, modest as it is.

The purpose is not to show off my mad skilz but rather to show the work continues. In the tedium of rescribing that is enough I think.

But I can report is that I have basically (and I mean basically) rescribed the fuselage so that it is ready for an overall coat of primer (maybe). Here are some of the areas where I have been doing one of the most hateful things in our hobby.
















Of course, these images are far from perfect, but the work is far enough along that I think I can prime the whole fuselage at this point and hope that I've got most of the imperfections in a state where they are manageable, with "just a bit more work."

This weekend I definitely plan to put the primer coat on so I should have an update for you Sunday or Monday.

I have lost track of the number of years I've been working on this build. And while I have mentioned the Fitzcarraldo analogy before, let me reiterate in the strongest possible terms that this feels like the same thing, in 1/48 scale.



I may have something exciting to say about the wheel wells and ball turret in the relatively near future. So stay tuned.

I also guarantee I intend to beat the actuarial factor on this build. Finishing it gives me a reason to live, though I'm not without other resources



[The wife and her daughter during a recent trip on the Circle Line in New York City.] They are the best Russian models I have!
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Posted: Friday, September 07, 2018 - 01:08 AM UTC
Brian,
looking forward to your update as it's been a while.

Joel
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Posted: Friday, September 07, 2018 - 12:58 AM UTC

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I haven't checked in on your build in some time but it's still going strong Brian. Keep it up !!



Thank you. It's tedious, especially with the demands of my day job. But there will be a brief update this weekend.
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Posted: Friday, September 07, 2018 - 12:40 AM UTC
I haven't checked in on your build in some time but it's still going strong Brian. Keep it up !!
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Posted: Monday, August 20, 2018 - 11:55 AM UTC
Karl,
Your shipping cardboard crate really looks well designed and up to the task.

Brian,
Mr. Color is slowly becoming my go to paints now that I got a new spray booth that I can actually setup in 2 min unlike the old homemade dinosaur that was a royal pain in the butt. Of course I've got to use up my supply of Tamiya and Mig Ammo paints 1st.

Joel
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Posted: Monday, August 20, 2018 - 09:34 AM UTC

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Hi Brian

if you were to tackle the Il-4 in a similar way, you'd actually tear the Xuntong Model to shreds - because it's a real "curate's egg" of a kit.

Rowan



Hummmmmmmmm. Had to look up "curate's egg" [Pause] Really?

I have it but never read any reviews. Sorry to hear this. It looked pretty good in the box.

Perhaps that's why the follow-up kit variants have been long in coming.
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Posted: Monday, August 20, 2018 - 09:18 AM UTC
Hi Brian

Some of your detailing in this build leaves me in awe!

I have to say, though, if you were to tackle the Il-4 in a similar way, you'd actually tear the Xuntong Model to shreds - because it's a real "curate's egg" of a kit.

All the best

Rowan
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Posted: Monday, August 20, 2018 - 01:44 AM UTC
Keep pushing on! The modelling is great and inspiring. As is your tenacity... I just start with redoing smalker stuff but not as much as you. Truly great modelling!

Gr TC
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Posted: Sunday, August 19, 2018 - 10:35 PM UTC
The HK models do not count as "decent" representations of the B-17. People seem think because they are new and big that they somehow are wonderful. The 43 year old Monogram B-17G in 48th was STILL the most accurately shaped B-17 out there until the new Airfix kit showed up. So the Revell 48th F is also a pretty decent shaped kit since it was allegedly copied from Monogram's G. It falls down in the areas of detail and general finish but Brian has shown that can be overcome! Okay, off my high horse... Brian, that looks quite good. Your patience with that sort of detailing is outstanding.
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Posted: Sunday, August 19, 2018 - 11:43 AM UTC
MORE COCKPIT ROOF WORK

After the last post I decided to return to the radio gear etc. in the cockpit roof and add some wiring. I was pretty pleased with the result.



Not bad, huh? But ... wait, ah, there's might be something a bit "off" here. O.M.G.!

Can you see "what's wrong with this picture?"

It's BACKWARDS, because the roof is upside down.

THAT was discouraging.

Tonight it looks like this.



And its close enough to the images Karl posted.

I did not like the OD color I used on the roof exterior before, so switched to this, which is somewhat lighter:



I still have not decided whether to glue the roof on. But I HAVE decided to save that decision to much later in the build, like after I get the wings on. So, I decided to go for a "close to final coat" of OD on the roof and put the roof aside while I proceed to rescribe and correct scribing errors on the rest of the fuselage.

That means I took the masks off the windows to make sure they were acceptable, because I could not handle the suspense of waiting sooo long to see. Do not accuse me of a lack of patience.

Fortunately, it came out basically OK, as you can see, inside and out.









If I glue the roof on I plan to make the turret removable, and here you can see that one can see all the way down to the non-skid in the tunnel below the cockpit.



In general, one can see quite a bit even with the roof on.

With the anxiety of the roof over I hope to get in at least 15 minutes a day messing around with fuselage panel lines, in hopes of finally getting enough done that I can move on to the wings. For sanity's sake, I am going to defer fitting the nose on and completing the ball turret till after the wings are on.

It remains a marketing mystery to me that we can have a state-of-the-art Soviet IL-4 available



and still not have a decent B-17F (and B-17G for that matter) available. However, it actually resembles the 17 a bit around the cockpit and in the shape of the wings.



I know, I know, there are the 1/32nd HK Models but they are not my scale. Somebody with greater market knowledge will have to explain all this to me one day.
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Posted: Sunday, August 19, 2018 - 11:09 AM UTC
Thanks Karl.

It is good to see another one of these under construction! Roof "a bear?"

Yes.

Post of this same area coming up.