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1/48 B-17F Build - 303rd BGs Luscious Lady
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Posted: Tuesday, March 31, 2020 - 03:50 AM UTC
Thanks, Joel- get your hit over the Modern sub-forum- cheers!We now return to the best B-17 thread ever!
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Posted: Monday, March 30, 2020 - 07:33 AM UTC
Chuck,
I'm looking forward to seeing your current work. Hope that the girls are still with you.

Joel
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Posted: Monday, March 30, 2020 - 03:49 AM UTC
Thanks, Brian! Joel, I hope to have a post up today! This one, however, broke the bank on disc usage on my website. I a bit I'll be able to call my web host and up my storage- that should do it.
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Posted: Monday, March 30, 2020 - 01:23 AM UTC
OH my!!

What a treat to see Chuck posting. I for one have missed you and your girls.

Are you back modeling these days, as you kind of just fell off the edge of the Earth? Even though I'm a car guy these days, I still follow my friends in Aeroscale.

Joel
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Posted: Sunday, March 29, 2020 - 10:59 AM UTC

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So good! Compliments to the chefs!



You can see why I made the switch. H.G. has been fantastic for this cherished project.

And I am really glad to see you back.

I'm screwing around with diecasts and doing various other projects, but I will be starting the Special Hobby AF-2 Guardian before too long.
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Posted: Sunday, March 29, 2020 - 09:31 AM UTC
So good! Compliments to the chefs!
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Posted: Saturday, March 28, 2020 - 01:08 PM UTC
TAKING IT TO THE NEXT LEVEL

H.G. is nearing completion of the basic innards of the left-wing wheel well, and it shows.

These photos reveal his remarkable progress on the more complex left wheel well, with the intricate piping and extra components for the cockpit heating system.




Note the black oblong object in the overhead.



Note the oil tank piping at the bottom of the tank.




Note the lagged white pipe on the forward bulkhead.




Note the white piping fore and aft. And no sweat on the "gunk" between the ribs. It will disappear with weathering and the limitations of the human eye (vs these damn digital cameras).




Here's another shot of the same area.



I love the lagged pipe and bare metal sections of this one!




Here's the real thing for comparison's sake. Damn!






These pictures show the exceptional care that went into the fabrication of the detail pieces before they went in.

‘Strodinary! Is too a word, as Dr. Google shows.
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Posted: Tuesday, March 24, 2020 - 04:35 PM UTC
MOAR LEFT-WING WHEEL WELL

Well, it's been a month to the day since my last post. A few things have happened since then such as the largest pandemic in living memory. (I don't think anyone is around still from the one in 1918.) I am working out of my house, which was part of my normal schedule anyway, but most businesses are shut down here in New Jersey by Executive Order of the Governor.

This disease is nothing to take lightly. One of my colleagues has been infected with it and is in an ICU with an "induced coma." is a real possibility. We pray not, of course. And I hardly need to mention how it has ravaged Europe, especially poor Italy.

Anyway, the month's silence doesn't mean H.G. hasn't been busy. He's nearly finished the left-wing wheel well. Rather than talk on and on about that, I'll let these pictures tell the story.

You will recall that this well has all that white-lagged piping for the cockpit heating system.



Here are some of H.G.'s experiments to replicate it.



As usual, the detail work is amazing.




Check out these brackets.





And, there is the systematic scratch-building of the interior, with all its myriad details.











It gets more mind-boggling as the parts start to come together.









More soon. I am beyond words not only at the execution but also at the planning behind it!
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Posted: Tuesday, March 24, 2020 - 04:03 PM UTC

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The complexity of this build really has me curious to see a few of HG's own builds.



Joel:

Here's one right here on Aeroscale.

AVENGER 93 Loyce Deen 353

You'll see my name mentioned in it on some of the research.

Brian
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Posted: Monday, February 24, 2020 - 03:25 AM UTC
Brian,
The complexity of this build really has me curious to see a few of HG's own builds.

Joel
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Posted: Monday, February 24, 2020 - 02:29 AM UTC

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Brian,
The Alien has reached new levels of assembly when needing to introduce a gap in the wing sections so that the wheel well details can be fit together perfectly.

Honestly, I really can't understand how this process works or is needed. Why can't the parts be positioned and glued into place with the wing halves still apart?

Joel



I don't understand fully either, except that some wheel well parts on the bottom are fixed so we're not dealing with a module that can be glued into the top wing/nacelle. I'm not arguing with success, however.
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Posted: Monday, February 24, 2020 - 02:04 AM UTC
Brian,
The Alien has reached new levels of assembly when needing to introduce a gap in the wing sections so that the wheel well details can be fit together perfectly.

Honestly, I really can't understand how this process works or is needed. Why can't the parts be positioned and glued into place with the wing halves still apart?

Joel
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Posted: Sunday, February 23, 2020 - 06:12 PM UTC
PORT WHEEL WELL CON'T.

I had to break this into a second post tonight.

I'll close with some pictures showing the overall progress H.G. has made on the port wheel well as of this evening.










That brass piece is just great!

Finally, H.G. informs me that the warp in the port lower wing



creates wheel well problems I would never have dreamed of with my more primitive "just glue it together" approach.


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To give you an idea how tedious it is to make the well I have make a deliberate gap in the walls and back wall so when I squeeze the lower wing corner up it will move the well parts together. Very time consuming having to test fit the parts countless times.



O.M.G. I never even considered something like this.
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Posted: Sunday, February 23, 2020 - 05:37 PM UTC
PORT WING WHEEL WELL

There were some parts that I had to ship H.G. to assist in finishing the fuselage--extra clear parts mostly but there were some others. While waiting for these he started on the port wing wheel well, which is not yet complete but has some good work-in-progress pictures below.

As a reminder, this wheel well differs from the stbd. one in having these thin heating pipes with white lagging that run from a nest of heating pipes around the port engine exhaust on the nacelle.




Here's a start to the wheel well rear bulkhead.



These small bits





I understand will go into the scratch-build of the gearbox and elbow on the rear bulkhead that is part of the retraction mechanism for the landing gear. See the arrow in the picture below.



Below is a scratch-built cable pully mechanism for the lines (I believe) that run midway across the rear wheel well bulkhead.



I must say it made me feel a bit "nostalgic" about the pulley box I built in the tunnel between the nose and the cockpit just above the crawl space door leading to the nose compartment.

Perhaps H.G. will take a picture of that for me to insert below.

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Posted: Saturday, February 01, 2020 - 02:14 AM UTC
Glad you're enjoying it. What you describe is the extent of my "art" too. He's giving a lot of thought to some more creative solutions, including how to bring the nose windows flush with the exterior.
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Posted: Saturday, February 01, 2020 - 01:57 AM UTC

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MORE FUSELAGE REPAIRS
Both of us worry about the windows.

How is something like this going to clean up?
An even bigger worry is the fit and transparency of the pilots' compartment windows.
There are similar issues with the nose windows, but one challenge at a time!



He is showing amazing good work and art! Most impressive and fun to see. Thank you again for sharing the methods seen here.

As many followers, I am most interested in how to deal with restoring the clear parts. Myself, I am only familiar with the micro sanding, buffing, Pledge / Future coating approach. Please share ways that leave less distortion while getting a crystal clear part? Seems like thickness variation as well as clarity need to be addressed? Excited to learn more! I have the popcorn out. Many thanks- Stuart
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Posted: Friday, January 31, 2020 - 03:22 PM UTC
MORE FUSELAGE REPAIRS

H.G.'s work on the fuselage continues, a combination IMO of artistry and tedium as he takes the fuselage between the radio room and the pilots' compartment down to bare metal plastic, uses various fillers to get rid of my imperfect panel lines, scribes some of his own, and then re-primes for scribing and detailing.

When I think of my hours of work on this area way back when combined with his work now, I wonder if this just might be the most OCD'd, overworked model in history. Myth of Sisyphus stuff, though I am sure I am overthinking this and that H.G. would disagree!

Anyway, check this out.



Eeek, a crack!



But I am mailing him a replacement part.

Phenomenal stripping of the center fuselage







with some brass around the cockpit roof windows



that he's not entirely happy with so is modifying the roof to make the brass more flush with its surroundings.



Un-freaking-believable. I would not even have thought of it!

Note the tapes running aft to make straight lines for accurate panel lines.











and the careful measurements providing additional benchmarks for accurate scribing.


Finally, there's this application of filler to correct my "off the mark" lines.





Jeeze!



How is something like this going to clean up? His comment is:


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That was a lot of sanding and I know it looks awful but it's a major step closer to moving to the next area. Please note that most of the lines and white scratches you see are actually filled. Once primed again with Mr. Surfacer, it will hide all that.



We both worry about the windows. How will they clean up?

An even bigger worry is the fit and transparency of the pilots' compartment windows.




For me, these areas are particularly cringeworthy, despite all the effort I put into this all-important area.

I simply have to leave it in H.G.'s capable hands.

There are similar issues with the nose windows, but one challenge at a time!
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Posted: Friday, January 24, 2020 - 08:14 AM UTC
Brian,
Simply amazing. HG's consistency of excellence only makes what he can do, even more amazing.

Joel
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Posted: Thursday, January 23, 2020 - 01:41 PM UTC
CORRECTING THE RADIO ROOM ROOF

H.G. is doing other things, but for the present, I want to concentrate on his remarkable work correcting dimensional flaws in the radio room roof openings.

Let's start with this: the roof openings filled in with some kind of foam to prevent spray into the interior.



Here are the same locations with the foam pulled out.



Man, what a mess. Look at the jagged edges to the window frame all around and the jagged rear of the radio room hatch. I'm not sure how I would've corrected these irregularities if I was doing this, but it is most instructive to see how H.G. is tackling them.

On the window frame he is utilizing something called, for want of a better word, "black goo." Here you can see how poorly the clear glass piece fits into the frame without repair.



And here is what the framework looks like with the initial application of the black goo.



H.G. Describes putting it in the framework this way.


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Next is the black filler that was put on then let set for a few minutes. To prevent it from totally dripping I have to flip it over and then over again. You might say I had this bird on a spit. * * * Obviously more will be added and then it can be reshaped to fit the window dimensions.




And here we see it carefully worked until a frame starts to appear that will match the clear part perfectly.



Damn, that's impressive!

Before leaving this area, H.G. also undertakes to mend the separated curved interior structural member below the window, see above, using this



How?

Watch.





It's not finished but you can see where this is going.

Now on to the main hatch opening, where close scrutiny shows that the interior dimensions are not symmetrical, at least now.




However, here is the "after" shot.



Check out how perfectly rounded the corners at the hatch rear are now!



Wow! And I know there are further refinements to come!
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Posted: Sunday, January 19, 2020 - 03:06 AM UTC
Brian,
Your interior detailing was and still is amazing in not only the level but complexity to help recreate reality. Between the two of you the Luscious Lady will be a display piece for years to come. Maybe you should contact the LI museum we met at over the summer as they have a fantastic model display throughout the hanger. They'd surely do the display justice, and I could visit her whenever I wanted to.

Joel
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Posted: Saturday, January 18, 2020 - 06:08 AM UTC

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Brian,
Once again I'm just speechless.

I would love to attend a series of seminars by HG on how to accomplish just the basic detailing he does including absolutely perfect rescribing.

Joel



As you know, Joel, I'm just calling it as I see it. I'm proud of my work on the interior, but I believe the "diamond in the rough" analogy gets it right. How could I not be happy with the way H.G.'s work blends in with and enhances mine?
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Posted: Saturday, January 18, 2020 - 05:28 AM UTC
Brian,
Once again I'm just speechless.

I would love to attend a series of seminars by HG on how to accomplish just the basic detailing he does including absolutely perfect rescribing.

Joel
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Posted: Friday, January 17, 2020 - 03:10 PM UTC
DIAMOND IN THE ROUGH

A good definition to start this post (and all of H.G.'s work IMO) is Diamond in the rough.


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Someone (or something) that has hidden exceptional characteristics and/or future potential, but currently lacks the final touches that would make them (or it) truly stand out from the crowd.

The phrase is metaphorical and relates to the fact that naturally occurring diamonds are quite ordinary at first glance, and that their true beauty as jewels is only realized through the cutting and polishing process.



That's kind of how I see the collaboration between H.G. and me at this point. I look upon my work as the rough diamond that he is converting into a beautiful jewel.

Let's consider the nose crew access/escape hatch for starters.

It's worth recalling that when I added the walk/crawlway to the floor leading to the navigator/bombardier compartment door, I added some perpendicular formers to address the gap visible in the open hatch between the walkway and the floor,



similar to those that were in the space behind the door opening. See below, right.



H.G. recognized the need to eliminate the formers and come up with a solution that looks closer to the real thing.

He filled the gap



fashioned a plate to reduce the sense of excessive height



and then inserted it to create a flatter look.



(The small gap near the door opening will be eliminated later.)

You can also see that the door opening



now matches the door dimensions MUCH better.



And yes, those are custom-made door hinges.



which will fit the door beautifully.



and what's not to like about the model door



vs. the real thing?







I call this the edge of a beautifully cut diamond!

_________________________________________________________________

And here's the start to his re-do of the radio room roof. Before going to the pictures, here's his explanation of what you see:



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After taking some measurements and pouring over the drawings I set out to do panel lines. However, with the different colors from plastics, filled lines and old primer it was best to prep for re-prime and have a clean surface.







I'm happy with this. For me, the radio room roof was one of the most problematic areas of the whole build. Now I know it will have the right look.

More to follow, and I may even find time to make some small progress on one of my own projects this weekend.
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Posted: Sunday, January 12, 2020 - 04:50 AM UTC
DOORS AND WINDOWS



Yeah, the 3D printer interior ribbing created by Art, my NC friend, needed some waist window trimming after installation.



Not bad, eh, though I don't envy H.G.'s task reinstalling the interior sliding window shown at the bottom.

Here's a cleaner shot, and yes there are some paper stubs that still need to be addressed.





Nice!

And here's a look at the port side window.



Reflecting on my own interior work, I gotta say I love the effect of those radio wires and oxygen hoses hanging down! Thanks, H.G. for properly framing them!

Let's move now to the forward crew access door, which was originally cut for the Paragon Designs door knock-off we had but decided to discard in favor of the more elegant and accurate resin2detail door.

Here's the opening.



And, ah, some corrections are needed.



The work on this continues, and then I believe H.G. will be moving to the pilots' roof, windshield and other windows. corrections around the radio room roof.

I won't give a new surprise away [about the cockpit area] other than to say that his planed work there should be something to see!
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Posted: Saturday, January 11, 2020 - 04:40 PM UTC
TAIL WHEEL FINIS - FOR NOW

It's time to take this unexpected excursion into a whole new tail wheel strut assembly and wheel well into the home stretch, leaving what remains for "final assembly."

When H.G. embarked on doing the well and actual strut assembly, I expected something like this.



Yes, you can see some real cloth with stitching (yet to be trimmed and "finalized") to replicate the forward canvas in the well



BUT NOT the strut, and all that actuator stuff above it, with some kind of upsidedown sawhorse in the overhead and a motor at the crux. We don't have to bother with that because no one is going to see it behind the bulkhead at the end of the waist. No real visibility, ya know, not really.

We'll just go with something like this, with the shaft extending through that canvas into an unseeable void.





How does that period song go? "Who could ask for anything more?" Seriously?

But some pieces didn't add up.







That is until I saw this.




and realized H.G. was building a reasonable facsimile of the upper landing gear structure above the canvas




that could indeed be glimpsed from various openings in the fuselage such as the tail gunner's escape hatch and the main crew door forward.







It's clear this subassembly greatly exceeds expectations.





And it isn't even finished yet.

The next post will follow H.G.'s work cleaning up the waist windows and the forward crew hatch in the nose.