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Jasta 18 – The Red Noses
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Posted: Saturday, March 26, 2011 - 02:34 PM UTC
The Imperial German Air Service fielded some 80 Jastas during the First World War. Jasta 18 certainly boasted some of the best livery. Sporting red noses with blue--later white--fuselages, the Royal Prussian Jasta was striking to behold. Its history is very detailed as some of the pilots survived the war with very detailed journals, and a willingness to share.


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Posted: Saturday, March 26, 2011 - 02:46 PM UTC
Its on my list for sure.
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Posted: Sunday, March 27, 2011 - 02:18 AM UTC
On my list as well , thanks fred for sharing your review with us .
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Posted: Sunday, March 27, 2011 - 10:55 AM UTC
I want this...yes
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Posted: Thursday, March 31, 2011 - 03:11 PM UTC
"JP"

Aviation Elite Units is one of my favorite Series; Jasta 18's colors are in the same category. First I've heard of this beauty and I'll be "all over ít" real soon. Thanks for the effort in producing the review.........great news!

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Posted: Sunday, April 03, 2011 - 10:23 PM UTC
Mine is on order. To arrive April 8.
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Posted: Thursday, April 07, 2011 - 03:41 PM UTC
Alrighty then! It arrived a day early. first impressions. . .Fred got it oh so right! The book is prime resource material. More later!
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Posted: Saturday, April 09, 2011 - 05:06 PM UTC
Just to help you see where this stuff comes from lets add 2 + 2. . .

Osprey Jasta 18 book by Greg VanWyngarden.

WNW Jasta 18 decals with all research / archive images from Greg VanWyngarden. Just hold your cursor over the archive image thumbnails and you will see who is credited for the images.

Aeroscale decal review

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Posted: Wednesday, April 13, 2011 - 08:13 PM UTC
Just a bit of a head's up here. There are some minor typos in the book that have to do with serial numbers the contract year " xxx/18" appears to have been transpositioned to "xxx/81" more than a couple of times.

Here is something for you to search on. Becareful your first answer may not be the right one. What is the memorial written on Berthold's tombstone post war. . .exact wording now.
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Posted: Thursday, April 14, 2011 - 01:35 AM UTC

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Just a bit of a head's up here. There are some minor typos in the book that have to do with serial numbers the contract year " xxx/18" appears to have been transpositioned to "xxx/81" more than a couple of times.

Here is something for you to search on. Becareful your first answer may not be the right one. What is the memorial written on Berthold's tombstone post war. . .exact wording now.




Rudolf Berthold Hauptman Ritter Des Pour Le Merite 24/3/1891 15/3/1920
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Posted: Thursday, April 14, 2011 - 01:42 AM UTC

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Rudolf Berthold Hauptman Ritter Des Pour Le Merite 24/3/1891 15/3/1920



Almost but you left out a line.
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Posted: Thursday, April 14, 2011 - 06:53 AM UTC

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Quoted Text

Rudolf Berthold Hauptman Ritter Des Pour Le Merite 24/3/1891 15/3/1920



Almost but you left out a line.



Missing line is: ......(??)
"Honoured by his enemies - slain by his German brethren." Refers to the fact that he was strangled by rioters (some sources say with the ribbon of his Blue Max) during the post-war revolution in 1920.

Cheers
Lance
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Posted: Thursday, April 14, 2011 - 10:28 PM UTC

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Missing line is: ......(??)
"Honoured by his enemies - slain by his German brethren." Refers to the fact that he was strangled by rioters (some sources say with the ribbon of his Blue Max) during the post-war revolution in 1920.

Cheers
Lance



Actually Lance that is what the Nazis claim it said, ". . .honored by the enemy, slain by German brothers. . ." A photo of it shows it really said: ". . .slain in the struggle between brothers for Germany’s freedom. . ."
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Posted: Friday, April 15, 2011 - 03:25 AM UTC
As I have said before, so much to learn and available here. The inscription I quoted is from his write-up in "Above the Lines" and is also in Treadwell's "Knights of the Black Cross". I recall seeing slightly different versions of it elsewhere and reading about the Nazi regime's "re-write/re-invention" of the real inscription. Berthold is a fascinating character, his record of 44 kills is incredible considering the number and extent of his injuries. The fact that he survived the War is also astounding given his record.
My KoTS Project is his Alb. D.III when with Jasta 14 (just about ready to "go public" on it) and once WNW release their hopefully several versions of the D VII I forsee a red/blue project coming on fast.
Thanks for the always welcome info, Stephen.

Cheers,
Lance
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Posted: Saturday, April 16, 2011 - 03:10 AM UTC
Okay , a little lost here as normal .

On his first tombstone " Honored by his Enemies , killed by his German brethren "

His modern one . Rudolf Berthold Hauptmann Ritter Des pour Lemerite 24.3.1891 / 15.3.1920

What am I missing here ?
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Posted: Saturday, April 16, 2011 - 04:19 AM UTC

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Okay , a little lost here as normal .

On his first tombstone " Honored by his Enemies , killed by his German brethren "

His modern one . Rudolf Berthold Hauptmann Ritter Des pour Lemerite 24.3.1891 / 15.3.1920

What am I missing here ?



Beats me Terri; I thought I'd solved the riddle with my last reply. Didn't know there was a second marker/stone. Where is his burial place and what is the final answer? (this is what I call following a "bunny trail", fascinating one tho!)

Lance
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Posted: Saturday, April 16, 2011 - 07:44 AM UTC
Terri,
Only one tombstone but the inscription was misquoted by the nazis.
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Terri,
Only one tombstone but the inscription was misquoted by the nazis.



I agree with you're explanation, Steven. It astounds me that such a simple "twist" can be so mis-represented in otherwise (I hope!) impeccable references. Certainly confused me.

Lance