Building on the well-deserved reputation of their earlier '190s, Eduard have released an 'A-6 - the first of the heavy-fighters.
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Eduard's Fw 190 A-6
Merlin
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Posted: Thursday, July 05, 2007 - 09:07 AM UTC
Building on the well-deserved reputation of their earlier '190s, Eduard have released an 'A-6 - the first of the heavy-fighters.
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If you have comments or questions please post them here.
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alpha_tango
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Posted: Thursday, July 05, 2007 - 06:48 PM UTC
Hi Rowan
thanks for another nice review !
Two remarks: The MG 17 was also named Luftwaffenanklopfgerät
and there is a fifth markings option advertised by Eduard also for Prillers machine with a "13"?
BTW do the c&m instructions contain meaningful text ? .. the pdf on the eduard site is just blabla from a previous release (A-8 RC)
... check eduards news update .. more fine stuff to come (and possibly larger stuff too) .. seems the F6F is also pretty advanced (which leaves a chance it will appear in time for a quick build for the Asian WW2 campaign.
With the nice Bf 110 appearing soon and some other stuff out or in the pipes, maybe we could justify a "Twin Spinners" campaign next year .... seems I digress .. again
best wishes
Steffen
thanks for another nice review !
Two remarks: The MG 17 was also named Luftwaffenanklopfgerät
and there is a fifth markings option advertised by Eduard also for Prillers machine with a "13"?
BTW do the c&m instructions contain meaningful text ? .. the pdf on the eduard site is just blabla from a previous release (A-8 RC)
... check eduards news update .. more fine stuff to come (and possibly larger stuff too) .. seems the F6F is also pretty advanced (which leaves a chance it will appear in time for a quick build for the Asian WW2 campaign.
With the nice Bf 110 appearing soon and some other stuff out or in the pipes, maybe we could justify a "Twin Spinners" campaign next year .... seems I digress .. again
best wishes
Steffen
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Posted: Thursday, July 05, 2007 - 07:04 PM UTC
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...and there is a fifth markings option advertised by Eduard also for Prillers machine with a "13"? ... best wishes Steffen
Hi Steffen
You're quite right! I hadn't spotted it - it's not on the main painting and decals pages - but at the bottom of the front cover! Thanks for pointing it out.
It's the same a/c as in Scheme D, but re-marked as "Black 13".
All the best
Rowan
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Posted: Thursday, July 05, 2007 - 10:27 PM UTC
Hi Rowan,
..thanks for the in-depth review...looks like another winner for Eduard...
my first reaction is that the decal options are a little disappointing - any self-respecting Fw 190 fan will already have all of these via various sheets, notably Eagle Strike - in fact the Dortenmann machine is the only one I haven't already built in my collection...
..thanks for the in-depth review...looks like another winner for Eduard...
my first reaction is that the decal options are a little disappointing - any self-respecting Fw 190 fan will already have all of these via various sheets, notably Eagle Strike - in fact the Dortenmann machine is the only one I haven't already built in my collection...
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Posted: Friday, July 06, 2007 - 09:00 AM UTC
Cheers Neil
Now here's a question for both you and Steffen (and anyone else who can help) - for the Review-build I'm inevitably going to go for Georg Schott's aircraft (if only to test how well the chequer decals work out). Can you provide me any reference photos of the a/c? I've got a couple of photos of the pilot in the cockpit among my refs, but they don't give a clue to the overall scheme and the degree of weathering - or even whether his '190 was fitted with a centre-line rack etc.
Obviously, with the build just starting, this is all a bit premature - but it's always best to ask early!
All the best
Rowan
Now here's a question for both you and Steffen (and anyone else who can help) - for the Review-build I'm inevitably going to go for Georg Schott's aircraft (if only to test how well the chequer decals work out). Can you provide me any reference photos of the a/c? I've got a couple of photos of the pilot in the cockpit among my refs, but they don't give a clue to the overall scheme and the degree of weathering - or even whether his '190 was fitted with a centre-line rack etc.
Obviously, with the build just starting, this is all a bit premature - but it's always best to ask early!
All the best
Rowan
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Posted: Friday, July 06, 2007 - 09:09 AM UTC
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I'm inevitably going to go for Georg Schott's aircraft (if only to test how well the chequer decals work out). Can you provide me any reference photos of the a/c?
..not sure....I'm pretty sure the only one I have immediately to hand is in the old Docavia Fw 190 book ...which you might already have elsewhere..if there's a decent pic anywhere it wil be in the Prien JG1/11 history ...which will involve clearing a cupboard.. unless of course there is anything in the updated Classic/Mombeek JG 1 book series in which case it should be more accessible.. ..
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Posted: Friday, July 06, 2007 - 09:22 AM UTC
Hi Neil
All I've got are published versions of the same photos that appear HERE, so anything different would be a real bonus.
All the best
Rowan
All I've got are published versions of the same photos that appear HERE, so anything different would be a real bonus.
All the best
Rowan
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Posted: Saturday, July 07, 2007 - 03:48 AM UTC
Hi again
The tinkering begins.
I've made a start on the cockpit. Although the etched side consoles are beautifully pre-painted, I've actually decided to use the moulded versions because I prefer the 3-D look of the raised and embossed details. But I will use the etched instrument panels which should look excellent with a drop of Klear (Future) to glaze each bezel.
I'm going to build basically OOB, but I couldn't resist adding two small extras to the cockpit. Eduard do show the control linkage on the floor, but it's very faint, so I've beefed it up, while the throttle damper is very prominent in any pics of the '190's office.
I'm going to use ModelMaster RLM colours for this build. Having heard so many of the Kitmaker gang recommend them, I bought a set in Athens a couple of years ago and I've still never finished a model using them!
OK - it's off to power up the airbrush...
More later
Rowan
The tinkering begins.
I've made a start on the cockpit. Although the etched side consoles are beautifully pre-painted, I've actually decided to use the moulded versions because I prefer the 3-D look of the raised and embossed details. But I will use the etched instrument panels which should look excellent with a drop of Klear (Future) to glaze each bezel.
I'm going to build basically OOB, but I couldn't resist adding two small extras to the cockpit. Eduard do show the control linkage on the floor, but it's very faint, so I've beefed it up, while the throttle damper is very prominent in any pics of the '190's office.
I'm going to use ModelMaster RLM colours for this build. Having heard so many of the Kitmaker gang recommend them, I bought a set in Athens a couple of years ago and I've still never finished a model using them!
OK - it's off to power up the airbrush...
More later
Rowan
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Posted: Saturday, July 07, 2007 - 04:52 AM UTC
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I've still never finished a model using them!
Hi Rowan!
If I were malicious I would say you've never finished a model with any paint!
Jokes aside I'm looking forward to see how this one will progress. I may later join with Eduard's A-5 if you don't mind. The more we are the more fun it is!
Jean-Luc
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Posted: Saturday, July 07, 2007 - 05:20 AM UTC
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Hi Rowan! If I were malicious I would say you've never finished a model with any paint!
Hi Jean-Luc
LOL! You read my mind!
All the best
Rowan
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Posted: Saturday, July 07, 2007 - 06:17 AM UTC
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I may later join with Eduard's A-5 if you don't mind... Jean-Luc
Hi Jean-Luc
LOL! That translates as overtake and finish long before me!
You build quicker and have more time at the workbench - so give me a year's head start - OK! All the best
Rowan
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Posted: Saturday, July 07, 2007 - 06:36 AM UTC
Hi again
Well, it's the first "Dohh!" of the build! I've found what appears to be a mistake in the instructions; the etched lid for the baggage hatch is shown the wrong way 'round - the hinge should be at the rear.
Of course, I only spotted this after I'd fitted it and sprayed the first coat of RLM 66! And that's after staring at it and thinking it was a bl**dy stupid place for a hinge, because the pilot wouldn't be able reach into the hatch when it was open! Luckily, the hatch came off easily without any damage.
All the best
Rowan
Well, it's the first "Dohh!" of the build!
I've found what appears to be a mistake in the instructions; the etched lid for the baggage hatch is shown the wrong way 'round - the hinge should be at the rear.Of course, I only spotted this after I'd fitted it and sprayed the first coat of RLM 66! And that's after staring at it and thinking it was a bl**dy stupid place for a hinge, because the pilot wouldn't be able reach into the hatch when it was open!
Luckily, the hatch came off easily without any damage. All the best
Rowan
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Posted: Saturday, July 07, 2007 - 06:38 AM UTC
Hi Rowan
Somehow I must have missed when you finished your Fw 190 A-8 (maybe it is also a case of Aloys).
Did you also have your He 112 V6 done while I did not look?... Would you please send me a link to your Heinkel build ?!.. that could be of help fo me.
bon chance with the A-6
best wishes
Steffen
Somehow I must have missed when you finished your Fw 190 A-8 (maybe it is also a case of Aloys).
Did you also have your He 112 V6 done while I did not look?... Would you please send me a link to your Heinkel build ?!.. that could be of help fo me.
bon chance with the A-6
best wishes
Steffen
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Posted: Saturday, July 07, 2007 - 06:51 AM UTC
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Hi Rowan
Somehow I must have missed when you finished your Fw 190 A-8... best wishes
Steffen
Hi Steffen
Strange isn't it! I missed it too...
Keep nagging me on this one!
Your encouragement certainly helped me finish the I-16. All the best
Rowan
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Posted: Saturday, July 07, 2007 - 07:09 AM UTC
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The MG 17 was also named Luftwaffenanklopfgerät
Hi again Steffen
Sorry - I missed that in my rush to scan the camo scheme I'd overlooked! Trying my best to dust off my highschool German, does that mean the Luftwaffe's "tapping machine"? i.e. the bullets just tapped against enemy aircraft!
All the best
Rowan
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Posted: Saturday, July 07, 2007 - 07:57 AM UTC
Hi Rowan
Well, translating this is not so easy for me.
"Anklopfen" is when you are knocking at a door, but as you also have knock down or knock out in English so it does not have the same meaning .. maybe tapping is correct?
Lw-AnklopfGerät just means that you do not do harm to your opponent but just knock/tap/...whatever on his plane and make some noise ... does that make sense ?
best wishes
Steffen
P.S. my A-8 is also not finished yet, so it was a bit of throwing stones in a glass house, OTOH I was not sure if you did finish it or not .. as I wrote Aloys (which is a reference to a certain German psychiatrist)
Well, translating this is not so easy for me.
"Anklopfen" is when you are knocking at a door, but as you also have knock down or knock out in English so it does not have the same meaning .. maybe tapping is correct?
Lw-AnklopfGerät just means that you do not do harm to your opponent but just knock/tap/...whatever on his plane and make some noise ... does that make sense ?
best wishes
Steffen
P.S. my A-8 is also not finished yet, so it was a bit of throwing stones in a glass house, OTOH I was not sure if you did finish it or not .. as I wrote Aloys (which is a reference to a certain German psychiatrist)
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Posted: Saturday, July 07, 2007 - 08:22 AM UTC
Hi Steffen
That sounds right - knocking / tapping at a door. So, basically, the MG 17 was only good for making a knocking sound on the skin of an enemy a/c! The British .303 Browning was equally ineffective against armour-plate - a lesson learned as early as 1940, but at least the Spitfires and Hurricanes had eight of them...
I did wonder if you'd finished your 'A-8. The excuse for mine still sitting half-built was that I wanted to incorporate all the later etched detail set... ridiculously ambitious in view of how little time I get to spend building!
But this one is going to be kept simple! It's really encouraging to start afresh and this time it will get built!
All the best
Rowan
That sounds right - knocking / tapping at a door. So, basically, the MG 17 was only good for making a knocking sound on the skin of an enemy a/c! The British .303 Browning was equally ineffective against armour-plate - a lesson learned as early as 1940, but at least the Spitfires and Hurricanes had eight of them...
I did wonder if you'd finished your 'A-8. The excuse for mine still sitting half-built was that I wanted to incorporate all the later etched detail set... ridiculously ambitious in view of how little time I get to spend building!
But this one is going to be kept simple! It's really encouraging to start afresh and this time it will get built!
All the best
Rowan
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Posted: Saturday, July 07, 2007 - 08:27 AM UTC
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You build quicker and have more time at the workbench - so give me a year's head start - OK!
Hi Rowan!
I can't wait one year!
Maybe I join you when the fuselage of your model is closed and the wings glued in place... Jean-Luc
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Posted: Saturday, July 07, 2007 - 08:33 AM UTC
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Hi Rowan!
I can't wait one year!
Jean-Luc
Hi Jean-Luc
That's what I said! I'll be at that stage in about a year's time (if I hurry...)!
All the best
Rowan
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Posted: Saturday, July 07, 2007 - 09:50 AM UTC
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Hi Neil
All I've got are published versions of the same photos that appear Rowan
..these are the original Docavia images I'm afraid, first published in1980..
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Posted: Saturday, July 07, 2007 - 10:02 AM UTC
Hi again
Eduard make a big deal of how to get the wing spar right.
It's one of those points in the kit that will make or break a kit. The correct sequence is clearly labelled in the instructions, but Eduard sent out accompanying notes with the release of the original 'A-8 and it's worth showing them again now:
"The important point is the wing spar (part I16) installation. In this step, glue part K20 first into the wing, and then add part I16. This order will guarantee you the wing spar will be exactly vertical to the wing bottom. It is very important for wheel well assembly and whole wing geometry."
Part K20 is circled in red. Attach it and let it set before trying to fit the spar. The spar itself is a fair fit, but it's worth clamping it overnight before proceeding.
All the best
Rowan
Eduard make a big deal of how to get the wing spar right.
It's one of those points in the kit that will make or break a kit. The correct sequence is clearly labelled in the instructions, but Eduard sent out accompanying notes with the release of the original 'A-8 and it's worth showing them again now:
"The important point is the wing spar (part I16) installation. In this step, glue part K20 first into the wing, and then add part I16. This order will guarantee you the wing spar will be exactly vertical to the wing bottom. It is very important for wheel well assembly and whole wing geometry."
Part K20 is circled in red. Attach it and let it set before trying to fit the spar. The spar itself is a fair fit, but it's worth clamping it overnight before proceeding.
All the best
Rowan
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Posted: Saturday, July 07, 2007 - 10:11 AM UTC
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Quoted TextHi Neil
All I've got are published versions of the same photos that appear Rowan
..these are the original Docavia images I'm afraid, first published in1980..
Thanks for checking Neil
I'm presuming that, as a unit commanders aircraft, Georg Schott's '190 was kept pretty clean - plus, the 'A-6 only appeared the same summer that he died.
So, unless you can remember anything obvious that contradicts Eduard's interpretation, I'll go with what they suggest and not go mad with any weathering.
All the best
Rowan
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Posted: Saturday, July 07, 2007 - 09:33 PM UTC
..a couple of things perhaps...firstly the cockpit image on your link. That is not the pilot in the cockpit. The only other image of 'white 11' I've found ( in Prien & Mombeek ) is a close-up of the tail and rudder of WNr. 550 476 with a sixteenth victory marking being added (19 August 43).
One other thing - a wider uncropped view of the picture of Schott standing in front of the Fw 190 (also on your link) shows clearly that the aircraft has a white overall cowl ... no checks...however, no indication that this was 'white 11' .....
One other thing - a wider uncropped view of the picture of Schott standing in front of the Fw 190 (also on your link) shows clearly that the aircraft has a white overall cowl ... no checks...however, no indication that this was 'white 11' .....
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Posted: Sunday, July 08, 2007 - 12:48 AM UTC
Many thanks Neil
I'm just surprised that, despite having waded through quite a stack of books and articles about the '190, I still haven't stumbled across a useful photo of this particular aircraft! :-)
All the best
Rowan
I'm just surprised that, despite having waded through quite a stack of books and articles about the '190, I still haven't stumbled across a useful photo of this particular aircraft! :-)
All the best
Rowan
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